Hope it’s ok to post a link to Reddit, since this experiment is based off FM Arena research. CA 180+ version of Man City gets totally destroyed by CA 90 version of Man City. I am not the OP on Reddit.
I love all this attributes testing and all "science" around FM its all great, but if You watch Vujevic channel on YouTube where he is winning leagues with small teams using common sense aproach looking for players for each positions makes You think that balanced attributes gives best results.
MeanOnSunday said: Hope it’s ok to post a link to Reddit, since this experiment is based off FM Arena research. CA 180+ version of Man City gets totally destroyed by CA 90 version of Man City. I am not the OP on Reddit.
Sane said: "Sorry, this post was deleted by the person who originally posted it."
Can you briefly describe what was written there? Expand
Someone made a team full of players with 20 in TOP 9 attributes from fm-arena attribute testing table and everything else 1 but still became champions in EPL.
Since you can’t see the original post now, one point that isn’t clear in the text but was shown in images is that in test number 2 there were 4 attributes being set to 13 (this is why the word “almost” is used). These were work rate, determination, natural fitness and stamina. I think it’s obvious that with natural fitness 1 and stamina 1 your players will be exhausted most of the time and either injured or playing badly. There was a big firestorm on Reddit but the main points were:
- despite several claims to the contrary the experiments were done correctly and verified by multiple people, so the 9 attributes are the important ones (as this site has shown repeatedly)
- you need certain other attributes to be able to use the 9 effectively. Fitness and stamina are obvious ; work rate and determination less so but you don’t want a really low value.
- Dribbling is interesting; if you dropped this down to 1 and set one of the other technicals to 20 performance crashed. So your super fast players do need to be able to run with the ball.
- Of course the profile of player used in experiment 2 doesn’t really exist in the game since the initial attributes are not completely random, and can only grow 5-6 points at most (and with limited user input). So you are not going to find some 80 CA player that can rip up the PL while on £50 a week. In some searching on a large database I did find a couple of 120-130 CA players that were so high on the 9 attributes that they could probably be world class. But the main conclusion is that when selecting players you can just focus on 9 attributes being as high as possible and it’s ok if some of the other attributes look really bad with the only red flags being low stamina, fitness, determination or work rate.
Edit: made some corrections based on Yarema’s comment.
Yarema said: Dribbling is one of the 9 at 20, super important. In fact dribbling attribute isn't even dribbling in the classical sense, but more like ball control.
Anyway, I think anyone visiting this site is hardly surprised by the results. Expand
Thanks for pointing that out, I was writing from memory. The other one set to 13 was work rate. I’ll fix my post.
It's really strange when you say "Only 9 attributes matter but I set other attributes to 13 because these attributes matter too".
I've been testing a lot lately and have regained the joy of FM (I haven't bought an FM every year in the last few years because it's become too easy for me). But the results of tests should always be presented objectively and the Reddit user didn't do that. All attributes matter and it is interesting to find out how important each attribute is for each position. I would beat e.g. this reddit users team with my 19 acceleration, 19 pace, 19 anticipation, 19 jumping reach, 20 finishing, 20 technique, 20 first touch, 20 heading striker. This problem is more complex than reddit users posts. Yes, we found meta-attributes but this isn't the end of the research.
Meriten said: It's really strange when you say "Only 9 attributes matter but I set other attributes to 13 because these attributes matter too".
I've been testing a lot lately and have regained the joy of FM (I haven't bought an FM every year in the last few years because it's become too easy for me). But the results of tests should always be presented objectively and the Reddit user didn't do that. All attributes matter and it is interesting to find out how important each attribute is for each position. I would beat e.g. this reddit users team with my 19 acceleration, 19 pace, 19 anticipation, 19 jumping reach, 20 finishing, 20 technique, 20 first touch, 20 heading striker. This problem is more complex than reddit users posts. Yes, we found meta-attributes but this isn't the end of the research. Expand
Tbf one experiment involved only the 9 attributes, the other did involve 4 others but they didn’t matter in the sense that a mediocre value was sufficient. I think you are interpreting the word “matter” different to me. This doesn’t mean they do absolutely nothing, only that you really don’t have to pay attention to those attributes. If I sign a PL quality player then he probably will have at least 10 passing but I am never looking for the guy with 20 passing because there is always someone else who has better physicals and that’s what matters in the match engine.
Hope it’s ok to post a link to Reddit, since this experiment is based off FM Arena research. CA 180+ version of Man City gets totally destroyed by CA 90 version of Man City. I am not the OP on Reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/footballmanagergames/comments/1ameaot/exposing_the_fm_match_engine_only_9_attributes/
The test with the "meta" attributes at 10 and the others at 20 was kind of interesting...
The test with the "meta" attributes at 20 was ridiculous and not worth looking at.
its pretty much started a war over there
I love all this attributes testing and all "science" around FM its all great, but if You watch Vujevic channel on YouTube where he is winning leagues with small teams using common sense aproach looking for players for each positions makes You think that balanced attributes gives best results.
MeanOnSunday said: Hope it’s ok to post a link to Reddit, since this experiment is based off FM Arena research. CA 180+ version of Man City gets totally destroyed by CA 90 version of Man City. I am not the OP on Reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/footballmanagergames/comments/1ameaot/exposing_the_fm_match_engine_only_9_attributes/
"Sorry, this post was deleted by the person who originally posted it."
Can you briefly describe what was written there?
Sane said: "Sorry, this post was deleted by the person who originally posted it."
Can you briefly describe what was written there?
Someone made a team full of players with 20 in TOP 9 attributes from fm-arena attribute testing table and everything else 1 but still became champions in EPL.
Sane said: "Sorry, this post was deleted by the person who originally posted it."
Can you briefly describe what was written there?
Since you can’t see the original post now, one point that isn’t clear in the text but was shown in images is that in test number 2 there were 4 attributes being set to 13 (this is why the word “almost” is used). These were work rate, determination, natural fitness and stamina. I think it’s obvious that with natural fitness 1 and stamina 1 your players will be exhausted most of the time and either injured or playing badly. There was a big firestorm on Reddit but the main points were:
- despite several claims to the contrary the experiments were done correctly and verified by multiple people, so the 9 attributes are the important ones (as this site has shown repeatedly)
- you need certain other attributes to be able to use the 9 effectively. Fitness and stamina are obvious ; work rate and determination less so but you don’t want a really low value.
- Dribbling is interesting; if you dropped this down to 1 and set one of the other technicals to 20 performance crashed. So your super fast players do need to be able to run with the ball.
- Of course the profile of player used in experiment 2 doesn’t really exist in the game since the initial attributes are not completely random, and can only grow 5-6 points at most (and with limited user input). So you are not going to find some 80 CA player that can rip up the PL while on £50 a week. In some searching on a large database I did find a couple of 120-130 CA players that were so high on the 9 attributes that they could probably be world class. But the main conclusion is that when selecting players you can just focus on 9 attributes being as high as possible and it’s ok if some of the other attributes look really bad with the only red flags being low stamina, fitness, determination or work rate.
Edit: made some corrections based on Yarema’s comment.
Dribbling is one of the 9 at 20, super important. In fact dribbling attribute isn't even dribbling in the classical sense, but more like ball control.
Anyway, I think anyone visiting this site is hardly surprised by the results.
Yarema said: Dribbling is one of the 9 at 20, super important. In fact dribbling attribute isn't even dribbling in the classical sense, but more like ball control.
Anyway, I think anyone visiting this site is hardly surprised by the results.
Thanks for pointing that out, I was writing from memory. The other one set to 13 was work rate. I’ll fix my post.
It's really strange when you say "Only 9 attributes matter but I set other attributes to 13 because these attributes matter too".
I've been testing a lot lately and have regained the joy of FM (I haven't bought an FM every year in the last few years because it's become too easy for me). But the results of tests should always be presented objectively and the Reddit user didn't do that. All attributes matter and it is interesting to find out how important each attribute is for each position. I would beat e.g. this reddit users team with my 19 acceleration, 19 pace, 19 anticipation, 19 jumping reach, 20 finishing, 20 technique, 20 first touch, 20 heading striker. This problem is more complex than reddit users posts. Yes, we found meta-attributes but this isn't the end of the research.
I made a mini-guide about it Link,
btw i don't know where 9 "meta" attributes come from, since most likely are 4
Meriten said: It's really strange when you say "Only 9 attributes matter but I set other attributes to 13 because these attributes matter too".
I've been testing a lot lately and have regained the joy of FM (I haven't bought an FM every year in the last few years because it's become too easy for me). But the results of tests should always be presented objectively and the Reddit user didn't do that. All attributes matter and it is interesting to find out how important each attribute is for each position. I would beat e.g. this reddit users team with my 19 acceleration, 19 pace, 19 anticipation, 19 jumping reach, 20 finishing, 20 technique, 20 first touch, 20 heading striker. This problem is more complex than reddit users posts. Yes, we found meta-attributes but this isn't the end of the research.
Tbf one experiment involved only the 9 attributes, the other did involve 4 others but they didn’t matter in the sense that a mediocre value was sufficient. I think you are interpreting the word “matter” different to me. This doesn’t mean they do absolutely nothing, only that you really don’t have to pay attention to those attributes. If I sign a PL quality player then he probably will have at least 10 passing but I am never looking for the guy with 20 passing because there is always someone else who has better physicals and that’s what matters in the match engine.
FM24 - Meta Player Attributes - https://fm-arena.com/thread/8249-fm24-meta-player-attributes/
Should you follow the highlighted attributes of the roles?(PART 1) - https://fm-arena.com/thread/5351-should-you-follow-the-highlighted-attributes-of-the-roles/
Should you follow the highlighted attributes of the roles?(PART 2) - https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/23204/
Game-changing Player Attributes - https://fm-arena.com/thread/2980-game-changing-player-attributes/
What it takes to dominate EPL with Bournemouth - https://fm-arena.com/thread/3293-what-it-takes-to-dominate-epl-with-bournemouth/
FM24 Player Attributes Testing - https://fm-arena.com/table/26-player-attributes-testing/