Tejash said: @Mark Are you sure use SIU? But isn't rollthedice at the top presently? Expand
As I said, it is safer to use the results from 552 matches instead of promising ones with just 183 matches. Given the margin of error is around 6 points, anything in the top 12 or so could end up being the best tactic. So you could look for a formation you like and try it, or one that suits your squad. I suggested SIU as it is the leader of the 552 match brigade.
You could look at Solaris results, he tests with Arsenal. These are his best:
Tejash said: Somehow keep losing and leaking goals with fire 0.3 and lose simple home games with Arsenal against lower sides. Wonder why it doesn't work for my Arsenal team Expand
Fire has a good win rate on average, meaning by the end of the season, it will allow you to overachieve. That doesn't mean you will win all matches, and it doesn't mean you can't lose 4x0 against a team from a lower division.
However, keep in mind that the right way to play FM is not to just plug a tactic and use it in any situation. You need different tactics for different moments of the match, and for different moments of the championship. Last year, I suggested alternating between Blue and Green, one for attack and another for defense. However, I just started testing with defensive tactic, but I also decided to wait until launch to resume tests since anything becomes invalid after the match engine changes.
In short, I don't have a sort of oracle that gives the perfect tactic, and it takes time to find out how things work in FM23, and to create a good tactic based on that knowledge.
Every year the match engine changes drastically from the beta to the full release and I also want to add that SI doesn't even post the changes because they don't do that for the beta.
So believe me, just wait few days and we'll get almost a new game
A small movement of a handful of points and Roll the Dice moves down the list. I still think a very stable tactic and so far has the best defence. Interestingly Fire 0.2 moved fractionally in front of Fire 0.3. A mere 2.6 points between the top 10 tactics. All these are definitely worthy of playing in your game. Onto the final Group. It will probably be tomorrow before I finish it.
Tejash said: Has this game become too difficult or what? Just can't seem to keep winning keep losing every second game..no tactic working atm Expand
Yes, the game has become more difficult than it was.
Now, the AI managers don't use 4-2-3-1 formation anymore, which was the weakest AI formation and now they use 4-2-3-1 ( 2 DMs ) instead.
Also, now the difference between good players and bad players is more obvious, which means that with Man City you probably should win the tile with any tactic.
A small movement of a handful of points and Roll the Dice moves down the list. I still think a very stable tactic and so far has the best defence. Interestingly Fire 0.2 moved fractionally in front of Fire 0.3. A mere 2.6 points between the top 10 tactics. All these are definitely worthy of playing in your game. Onto the final Group. It will probably be tomorrow before I finish it. Expand
If it wasn't so close to the new version, I would send you my newer Fire upgrade to test.
Mark said: As I said, it is safer to use the results from 552 matches instead of promising ones with just 183 matches. Given the margin of error is around 6 points, anything in the top 12 or so could end up being the best tactic. So you could look for a formation you like and try it, or one that suits your squad. I suggested SIU as it is the leader of the 552 match brigade.
You could look at Solaris results, he tests with Arsenal. These are his best:
Zippo said: if nothing unexpected happens then at some point later today we'll start testing Expand
unfortunately, "unexpected" has happened... during a migration process of the testing database an error happened so it may take one or two days to fix it
Zippo said: unfortunately, "unexpected" has happened... during a migration process of the testing database an error happened so it may take one or two days to fix it Expand
You guys are doing a great job to test fast and as accurate as possible every tactic people present here! I have a suggestion to make, that may give us a better feeling for every match engine probably. it would be really nice if you include on the tests the presets of the fm on every match engine change, that can tell us if the ME tweaks helped to improve the tactics overall offensively/defensively from previous patches (or even fm versions in the future), as the presets have the same instructions with the previous fms and will probably stay the same in the future too
@Mark Are you sure use SIU? But isn't rollthedice at the top presently?
Tejash said: @Mark Are you sure use SIU? But isn't rollthedice at the top presently?
As I said, it is safer to use the results from 552 matches instead of promising ones with just 183 matches. Given the margin of error is around 6 points, anything in the top 12 or so could end up being the best tactic. So you could look for a formation you like and try it, or one that suits your squad. I suggested SIU as it is the leader of the 552 match brigade.
You could look at Solaris results, he tests with Arsenal. These are his best:
Tejash said: Somehow keep losing and leaking goals with fire 0.3 and lose simple home games with Arsenal against lower sides. Wonder why it doesn't work for my Arsenal team
Fire has a good win rate on average, meaning by the end of the season, it will allow you to overachieve. That doesn't mean you will win all matches, and it doesn't mean you can't lose 4x0 against a team from a lower division.
However, keep in mind that the right way to play FM is not to just plug a tactic and use it in any situation. You need different tactics for different moments of the match, and for different moments of the championship. Last year, I suggested alternating between Blue and Green, one for attack and another for defense. However, I just started testing with defensive tactic, but I also decided to wait until launch to resume tests since anything becomes invalid after the match engine changes.
In short, I don't have a sort of oracle that gives the perfect tactic, and it takes time to find out how things work in FM23, and to create a good tactic based on that knowledge.
Every year the match engine changes drastically from the beta to the full release and I also want to add that SI doesn't even post the changes because they don't do that for the beta.
So believe me, just wait few days and we'll get almost a new game
@Mark The reason why I want to try with roll thedice is as it has come second in the previous two tests as well and currently number 1.
Group 12 Update
A small movement of a handful of points and Roll the Dice moves down the list. I still think a very stable tactic and so far has the best defence. Interestingly Fire 0.2 moved fractionally in front of Fire 0.3. A mere 2.6 points between the top 10 tactics. All these are definitely worthy of playing in your game. Onto the final Group. It will probably be tomorrow before I finish it.
Has this game become too difficult or what? Just can't seem to keep winning keep losing every second game..no tactic working atm
Tejash said: Has this game become too difficult or what? Just can't seem to keep winning keep losing every second game..no tactic working atm
Yes, the game has become more difficult than it was.
Now, the AI managers don't use 4-2-3-1 formation anymore, which was the weakest AI formation and now they use 4-2-3-1 ( 2 DMs ) instead.
Also, now the difference between good players and bad players is more obvious, which means that with Man City you probably should win the tile with any tactic.
Mark said: Group 12 Update
A small movement of a handful of points and Roll the Dice moves down the list. I still think a very stable tactic and so far has the best defence. Interestingly Fire 0.2 moved fractionally in front of Fire 0.3. A mere 2.6 points between the top 10 tactics. All these are definitely worthy of playing in your game. Onto the final Group. It will probably be tomorrow before I finish it.
If it wasn't so close to the new version, I would send you my newer Fire upgrade to test.
ZaZ said: If it wasn't so close to the new version, I would send you my newer Fire upgrade to test.
@ZaZ What's the upgrade? Anything interesting??
Tejash said: @ZaZ What's the upgrade? Anything interesting??
Still testing if it's better or worse.
Mark said: As I said, it is safer to use the results from 552 matches instead of promising ones with just 183 matches. Given the margin of error is around 6 points, anything in the top 12 or so could end up being the best tactic. So you could look for a formation you like and try it, or one that suits your squad. I suggested SIU as it is the leader of the 552 match brigade.
You could look at Solaris results, he tests with Arsenal. These are his best:
@Mark Where is the Solaris testing thread?
Tejash said: @Mark Where is the Solaris testing thread?
Click on Solaris and then on find posts. He mostly posts tactic tests. You can then look through them
@Mark Any update on the final test?
Final update following Group 13.
Decision: Too close to call.
Any update after the full release?
Tejash said: Any update after the full release?
I wont be retesting. I will rely on what comes from FM Arena. That was just a bit of fun for me waiting for the release.
When is their testing going to start any idea?
Tejash said: When is their testing going to start any idea?
if nothing unexpected happens then at some point later today we'll start testing
Zippo said: if nothing unexpected happens then at some point later today we'll start testing
The match engine is the same it seems, https://community.sigames.com/forums/topic/569294-official-football-manager-2023-feedback-thread/#comment-13794165
Zippo said: if nothing unexpected happens then at some point later today we'll start testing
unfortunately, "unexpected" has happened... during a migration process of the testing database an error happened so it may take one or two days to fix it
Zippo said: unfortunately, "unexpected" has happened... during a migration process of the testing database an error happened so it may take one or two days to fix it
You guys are doing a great job to test fast and as accurate as possible every tactic people present here! I have a suggestion to make, that may give us a better feeling for every match engine probably. it would be really nice if you include on the tests the presets of the fm on every match engine change, that can tell us if the ME tweaks helped to improve the tactics overall offensively/defensively from previous patches (or even fm versions in the future), as the presets have the same instructions with the previous fms and will probably stay the same in the future too