Phoenix

by Magician, Dec 21, 2020

mau do passado said: Anyone struggling with the DM position? Average rating doesn't get any higher then 6.7/6.8. I've tried this tactic with different teams and players in that position, always with the same result. For example, i'm playing with Daniel Bragança now, in 16 appearances he has an average rating of 6.79. Thanks!!

It's normal, just ignore it.

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mau do passado said: Anyone struggling with the DM position? Average rating doesn't get any higher then 6.7/6.8. I've tried this tactic with different teams and players in that position, always with the same result. For example, i'm playing with Daniel Bragança now, in 16 appearances he has an average rating of 6.79. Thanks!!

As @ZaZ said 6.7/6.8 rating is a normal rating for DM position.

In general, very often the way the game gives ratings looks unfair for some positions and SI always try improves it. There have been many patches where SI adjusted the rating algorithm but as you can see it's still far from perfect and some position get lower ratings than other positions no matter what.

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babemocni1988 said: January came and still undefited!Top on the table,crushing even with so many injuries!(no singings)
I really dont remember when was the last time I have enjoyed playing like this
God bless you Magician!


Amazing job !!

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so far so brilliant season,sold Soucek(his vision is just 10,not enough in my opinion to play as a CM! and bringed in Kristofer Ajer for DLP.!Still didnt lost single game and i am confindent that the title will be won!
my dream player for this tactic I could NOT buy because its still expensive(Rodrigo De paul from Udinese)
you can Play him as a shadow or CM(a)incredible player
BOWEN HAVING WONDER SEASON SCORING every game :)

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INSANE...

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WEST HAM CROWNED CHAMPIONS
UNBEATEAN SEASON + FA CUP FINAL TO PLAY
PLAYING THIS GAME FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS,NEVER HAD SOMETHING SIMILAR,DOMINATING IN THIS WAY...
THIS TACTIC IS UNBEATEN!

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DOUBLE CROWN WON!
100 POINTS
LOST 2 GAMES BECAUSE OF 4 INJURIES

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MY LAST 2 SAVES BOLOGNA DOUBLE CROWN AND WEST HAM DOUBLE CROWN IN FIRST SEASON...

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Since Inverted Wing-Backs are so hard to find, is there any way to change the DR and DL to Wing-Backs or Full-Backs, without sacrificing too much? Cheers

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c00kamunga said: Since Inverted Wing-Backs are so hard to find, is there any way to change the DR and DL to Wing-Backs or Full-Backs, without sacrificing too much? Cheers

Just use regular wing-backs, they work fine.

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c00kamunga said: Since Inverted Wing-Backs are so hard to find, is there any way to change the DR and DL to Wing-Backs or Full-Backs, without sacrificing too much? Cheers

Your assistant opinion on role suitability is useless. Just ignore it and play a normal DR/L there.

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Hi everyone, just to congratulate Magician. I am in my 2nd season with everton, I have 3 games left to play and I am practically champion of England and still undefeated. I will post screen later

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when playing against teams that sits back (cautious,defensive) how do you adapt?are u doing any changes?

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BeRe said: when playing against teams that sits back (cautious,defensive) how do you adapt?are u doing any changes?

When I want to become more attacking and I think I can take more risk then change the mentality to 'Very Attacking', it greatly increases the attacking power but the same time it weakens the defense so I suggest using it carefully.

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yep but i think if choose very attacking it will become worse because i will push them more back to their defensive third and there will be no more space to create.wouldnt be better to lower the mentality in a try to draw them out?or maybe remove WBIB in advance to not give them time to re-organize ?have u tried any of these?

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Best Tactic for istant result in 2 years whit leicester 2 Premier League, 1 FA CUP, 1 Europa League,
1 Champions League!

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Magician in my second season with West Ham i have played 10 games and tactic just stopped working,i have strugled to get result even against smaller teams,so i decided to try to switch tactic just to see whats happend,and i have restarted season and get 8 wons and 2 loses,dominated in every game again just like in first season wi5h this wonder tactic,so my conclusion is that in such a strong league,if you have dominated in first season,and you dont have players like City and Liverpool,you need to switch tactic,mandatory!

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babemocni1988 said: in every game again just like in first season wi5h this wonder tactic,so my conclusion is that in such a strong league,if you have dominated in first season,and you dont have players like City and Liverpool,you need to switch tactic,mandatory!

I completely disagree wit that statement.

Here's my experience of using the same tactic for 3 seasons with West Ham:

https://fm-arena.com/thread/784-phoenix/page-6/#comment-3397

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Rince said: I completely disagree wit that statement.

Here are my 3 seasons with West Ham:

https://fm-arena.com/thread/784-phoenix/page-6/#comment-3397


yeah but first season you finished 6th..

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Rince said: I completely disagree wit that statement.

Here's my experience of using the same tactic for 3 seasons with West Ham:

https://fm-arena.com/thread/784-phoenix/page-6/#comment-3397


and explane me why i am dominating again with the same players with different tactic after restarted season??

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babemocni1988 said: yeah but first season you finished 6th..

and I consider it as a very good result because the team had 12th media prediction before the season

then in the 2nd season I won the league and in the 3rd season I did even better, I won the league and Champions League

babemocni1988 said: and explane me why i am dominating again with the same players with different tactic after restarted season??

That's just the luck factor. When you play against a team that is equally strong and you do save/reload then you can get 5 wins then 5 loses.

I've tested it many times... sometimes you can lose 3-4 in a row but if you reload and replay them you can win them all.

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babemocni1988 said: and explane me why i am dominating again with the same players with different tactic after restarted season??

It's probably just RNG. Phoenix v5.0 is better than Phoenix v3.0, which was at the top of the table not so long ago. If people could win everything before, they should be able to win even easier now. Actually, most tactics from the top 10 or 20 are able to overachieve a lot. If the tactic "stopped working" for a while, you should check if your players morale is good, if their fatigue is high, if they are happy and if you are keeping them motivated. Any tactic will crumble if you don't manage the human side of the players, meaning their physical and mental sides.

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ZaZ said: It's probably just RNG. Phoenix v5.0 is better than Phoenix v3.0, which was at the top of the table not so long ago. If people could win everything before, they should be able to win even easier now. Actually, most tactics from the top 10 or 20 are able to overachieve a lot. If the tactic "stopped working" for a while, you should check if your players morale is good, if their fatigue is high, if they are happy and if you are keeping them motivated. Any tactic will crumble if you don't manage the human side of the players, meaning their physical and mental sides.

Pal i dont understand why you all people doenst want to admit that AI read tactics,my moral and fitness condition is perfect,everything good,signed just 3 new players,and strugle to get not just results,even some highlights of the match would be nice,and after switching tactic my team looks reborn! So please there is no one who can change my opinion sorry

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Unbeaten with everton. Champion + carabao cup

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Filer974 said: Unbeaten with everton. Champion + carabao cup

Perfect,first season?Please play second season and let me know,i also won the league with 100 points,and fa cup also in first season

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@babemocni1988, I'm really not going to convince you of anything.

In my long term save with Southampton I won the EPL 5 times and during that period I won ECL 3 times and I did that with the same tactic.

So for me there's no such problem as using the same for multiple seasons. :)

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Magician said: @babemocni1988, I'm really not going to convince you of anything.

In my long term save with Southampton I won the EPL 5 times and during that period I won ECL 3 times and I did that with the same tactic.

So for me there's no such problem as using the same for multiple seasons. :)


Trust me that nobody more than me want to play one tactic all the time, hate to change it,because in my philosophy every manager should have a DNA or system thats make you unique,like Pep,Klop,Conte...they dont change tactics every year :)
But I realy saw in my second season that my team is not even close like in first season,tryed to change mentality,restarted games many times but i could find a reason why is not working,then i just reloaded again,put another strong different tactic and guess what,i am winning again,even if I am not happy because i changed the formation and i hate that!

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babemocni1988 said: Trust me that nobody more than me want to play one tactic all the time, hate to change it,because in my philosophy every manager should have a DNA or system thats make you unique,like Pep,Klop,Conte...they dont change tactics every year :)
But I realy saw in my second season that my team is not even close like in first season,tryed to change mentality,restarted games many times but i could find a reason why is not working,then i just reloaded again,put another strong different tactic and guess what,i am winning again,even if I am not happy because i changed the formation and i hate that!


I play with the same tactic all year long and it works fine to me. Most people also play with the same tactic for several seasons without any problem. I think there must be another reason why your team crumbles in the second season.

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ZaZ said: I play with the same tactic all year long and it works fine to me. Most people also play with the same tactic for several seasons without any problem. I think there must be another reason why your team crumbles in the second season.


I realy dont know,i will play second season with new one then in 3th i will try again,because this tactic is the best one ever played in my opinion,to get 100 points with West ham first season,and won also FA cup it was insane...

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Atletico madrid second season

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