ZaZ said: Just finished the league. Results are below. For a moment I thought it might slip in the last matches, but opponents didn't do their jobs. Expand
Still playing with Juventude? Any new update on the Libertadores?
First of all, thank you Mr ZaZ for such a great tactic, but also for the great insight you are providing in your comments.
I want to address an issue that has been pointed before and offer some insight based on my experience. I am specifically talking about the Defensive Midfielder position that people have been struggling to get good performance ratings from.
I had similar issues at first. A further issue is that it is a tricky role in itself as it requires many different stats to be effective compared to other positions (i.e. both offensive and defensive ones). Pace and acceleration alone do not yield the same effectiveness for DM as they do with other positions. It is true that a DM usually has the most completed passes, sadly not as many key passes.
The solution I found for getting good results is using players in this role that are very good at set pieces. There is a particular player that is godlike in this position: James Ward-Prowse from Southampton. This player has attributes of 20 in both corners and free-kick taking! I tested him twice in two separate saves with Dortmund and in both seasons he ended up having the most assists (33 assist in last season) and competing with Haaland for most PotM throughout the season. Last season I had a 7.71 average rate with him in 37 appearances, 8 goals and an xG of 3.81. Personally, I find these values very impressive for a DM.
So basically, if anyone is struggling with this role, try to get players who are excellent at set pieces and make sure you assign them as first choice.
@ZaZ I have to ask. I don't know if its because of the players. I moved to Lazio, I played with your tactics this new season, the only change I made is taking out the CM and moving it to AF position.
I got some good results but again I don't know if its because of the tactics or the players.
Have you tested something like this ? I just moved the CM to AF nothing else... I was thinking about putting the DLP (defense) instead of Support.
DeviAngel said: @ZaZ I have to ask. I don't know if its because of the players. I moved to Lazio, I played with your tactics this new season, the only change I made is taking out the CM and moving it to AF position.
I got some good results but again I don't know if its because of the tactics or the players.
Have you tested something like this ? I just moved the CM to AF nothing else... I was thinking about putting the DLP (defense) instead of Support.
Gracolas said: Hi @ZaZ , what you consider to be the best training to take max out of this tactic? Expand
Unfortunately, there's no such thing as best training. If you want to increase chance of winning during the current season, then you can go with normal intensity and train more attacking movements, defensive position and teamwork, as well as match practice and team bonding for happiness/cohesion, and recovery to prevent injuries. However, these are not the best options for attribute growth. If you want to maximize attribute gain, then you add double intensity training, getting more injuries and tired players during the season, as well as sessions with quickness and specific attributes you want to increase. I usually do the first because I play without reloading, but it's more about if you plan to develop players for several seasons or not.
In the openning post, there are two training routines that I often use. Another thing that I do is set all players to train their specific roles in the tactic and individual training for quickness (except goalkeeper, which trains shot reflexes).
P.S.: I updated training schedules for what I'm using lately.
Ridiculous tactic won the treble first season with Aston Villa, then the league with Leeds just to check it wasnt a fluke. sometimes the DM gets a low rating but other than that this is THE best tactic for fm21.
x360wizard said: Ridiculous tactic won the treble first season with Aston Villa, then the league with Leeds just to check it wasnt a fluke. sometimes the DM gets a low rating but other than that this is THE best tactic for fm21. Expand
It's set as MR/L from the same side, but it's often someone else with higher attribute that takes them. These attacking corner routines are copied from Motion.
ZaZ said: It's set as MR/L from the same side, but it's often someone else with higher attribute that takes them. These attacking corner routines are copied from Motion. Expand
Mate if it’s possible could you post your favorite 11 for your tactic. Because i like it sooo much.
It would be perfect if you can do it for high-mid-underdog teams, thank you in advance.
Exsodya said: Mate if it’s possible could you post your favorite 11 for your tactic. Because i like it sooo much.
It would be perfect if you can do it for high-mid-underdog teams, thank you in advance. Expand
It's hard because it depends on the club and league. For example, most top players don't want to to play in Brazil, Sweden or lower teams from England. There are also lots of budget players with stats decided at game generation. The perfect team would also cost too much to be realistic, since very few teams can afford the likes of Mbappé.
ZaZ said: It's hard because it depends on the club and league. For example, most top players don't want to to play in Brazil, Sweden or lower teams from England. There are also lots of budget players with stats decided at game generation. The perfect team would also cost too much to be realistic, since very few teams can afford the likes of Mbappé. Expand
Okay than could you just post bargain eleven.
You don't put players that are not too expensive like mbappe or felix I
@ZaZ I see your training schedule, its pretty brutal on the physical department. Have you actually seen good increase in pace / endurance over the course of time with it ? Also how do you set intensity with it, normally when they are 90%+ I set to double intensity, using the training schedule of pre season got me a nice few injuries, just wondering if this is random bad luck me or should I lower the intensity to normal when above 90% ?
Exsodya said: Okay than could you just post bargain eleven.
You don't put players that are not too expensive like mbappe or felix I Expand
I am going to tell a couple of names without looking at the price, checking only attributes from fminside.net. It's hard to say for sure because some leagues only allow a certain number of foreign players. I will also ignore hidden attributes that could be undesirable and players over 30 years old.
Belmorn said: @ZaZ I see your training schedule, its pretty brutal on the physical department. Have you actually seen good increase in pace / endurance over the course of time with it ? Also how do you set intensity with it, normally when they are 90%+ I set to double intensity, using the training schedule of pre season got me a nice few injuries, just wondering if this is random bad luck me or should I lower the intensity to normal when above 90% ? Expand
With double intensity, there will be injuries, but most of them for around three days. Maybe a couple of injuries of two to four weeks, but if you have more than three or four players with long term injury during pre-season, then you either got unlucky or your players are prone to injury. The endurance training pays off later during the season, because increasing natural fitness and stamina helps the players perform better and suffer less injuries (better condition and match fitness). However, I would reduce to normal intensity during in-season since you want to keep your players in top shape and without injuries. Also, double intensity doesn't have effect on next match bonuses or recovery, making it less effective for that schedule.
You will usually see attributes growing after one or two months. Pace and Acceleration will increase the most if you are also doing individual training for quickness. I often increase 2 to 3 points in those attributes during each season, with training rates between 8 and 10 to most players. All other attributes also increase, but only 1 or 2 points per season.
ZaZ said: Just finished the league. Results are below. For a moment I thought it might slip in the last matches, but opponents didn't do their jobs.
Still playing with Juventude? Any new update on the Libertadores?
Gpassosbh said: Still playing with Juventude? Any new update on the Libertadores?
I was testing some improvements to the tactic these days, all failed. Going back to Libertadores after a short break.
Hi @ZaZ What are the main attributes to look for in each position?
Gracolas said: Hi @ZaZ What are the main attributes to look for in each position?
It's in the openning post. Acceleration and pace are the main attributes. Use agility and dribbling (except for DC and DM) as tiebreaker.
Ah ok! I thought it would be only for the SS. Thanks!
First of all, thank you Mr ZaZ for such a great tactic, but also for the great insight you are providing in your comments.
I want to address an issue that has been pointed before and offer some insight based on my experience. I am specifically talking about the Defensive Midfielder position that people have been struggling to get good performance ratings from.
I had similar issues at first. A further issue is that it is a tricky role in itself as it requires many different stats to be effective compared to other positions (i.e. both offensive and defensive ones). Pace and acceleration alone do not yield the same effectiveness for DM as they do with other positions. It is true that a DM usually has the most completed passes, sadly not as many key passes.
The solution I found for getting good results is using players in this role that are very good at set pieces. There is a particular player that is godlike in this position: James Ward-Prowse from Southampton. This player has attributes of 20 in both corners and free-kick taking! I tested him twice in two separate saves with Dortmund and in both seasons he ended up having the most assists (33 assist in last season) and competing with Haaland for most PotM throughout the season. Last season I had a 7.71 average rate with him in 37 appearances, 8 goals and an xG of 3.81. Personally, I find these values very impressive for a DM.
So basically, if anyone is struggling with this role, try to get players who are excellent at set pieces and make sure you assign them as first choice.
@ZaZ I have to ask. I don't know if its because of the players. I moved to Lazio, I played with your tactics this new season, the only change I made is taking out the CM and moving it to AF position.
I got some good results but again I don't know if its because of the tactics or the players.
Have you tested something like this ? I just moved the CM to AF nothing else... I was thinking about putting the DLP (defense) instead of Support.
IF someone wants to try it
DeviAngel said: @ZaZ I have to ask. I don't know if its because of the players. I moved to Lazio, I played with your tactics this new season, the only change I made is taking out the CM and moving it to AF position.
I got some good results but again I don't know if its because of the tactics or the players.
Have you tested something like this ? I just moved the CM to AF nothing else... I was thinking about putting the DLP (defense) instead of Support.
IF someone wants to try it
Thank you for testing!
Your suggestion was tested last patch. Got a score good enough to win most titles, but not better than the top tactics.
https://fm-arena.com/tactic/946-zaz-blue-2-2-1pf-tweak/
If you want a tactic with real strikers, Fanatic is king.
Hi @ZaZ , what you consider to be the best training to take max out of this tactic?
Gracolas said: Hi @ZaZ , what you consider to be the best training to take max out of this tactic?
Unfortunately, there's no such thing as best training. If you want to increase chance of winning during the current season, then you can go with normal intensity and train more attacking movements, defensive position and teamwork, as well as match practice and team bonding for happiness/cohesion, and recovery to prevent injuries. However, these are not the best options for attribute growth. If you want to maximize attribute gain, then you add double intensity training, getting more injuries and tired players during the season, as well as sessions with quickness and specific attributes you want to increase. I usually do the first because I play without reloading, but it's more about if you plan to develop players for several seasons or not.
In the openning post, there are two training routines that I often use. Another thing that I do is set all players to train their specific roles in the tactic and individual training for quickness (except goalkeeper, which trains shot reflexes).
P.S.: I updated training schedules for what I'm using lately.
Zaz blue v3
just me said: Zaz blue v3
FCK literaly got fcked.
ZaZ said: FCK literaly got fcked.
yes they did lol... and it was with my second best 11
Ridiculous tactic won the treble first season with Aston Villa, then the league with Leeds just to check it wasnt a fluke. sometimes the DM gets a low rating but other than that this is THE best tactic for fm21.
just me said: yes they did lol... and it was with my second best 11
Could you post your first 11
x360wizard said: Ridiculous tactic won the treble first season with Aston Villa, then the league with Leeds just to check it wasnt a fluke. sometimes the DM gets a low rating but other than that this is THE best tactic for fm21.
Can you post your first 11
First season with Reims won league and runner up in the french cup
ZaZ said: Thank you for testing!
Your suggestion was tested last patch. Got a score good enough to win most titles, but not better than the top tactics.
https://fm-arena.com/tactic/946-zaz-blue-2-2-1pf-tweak/
If you want a tactic with real strikers, Fanatic is king.
Nah.... I just love to see those stats like the earlier FM21 patches where the AF scored 50 goals :lol:
DeviAngel said: Nah.... I just love to see those stats like the earlier FM21 patches where the AF scored 50 goals :lol:
Try Void, his tactic is king at scoring goals!
Exsodya said: Could you post your first 11
here:
Who takes corners?
Marck said: Who takes corners?
It's set as MR/L from the same side, but it's often someone else with higher attribute that takes them. These attacking corner routines are copied from Motion.
ZaZ said: It's set as MR/L from the same side, but it's often someone else with higher attribute that takes them. These attacking corner routines are copied from Motion.
Mate if it’s possible could you post your favorite 11 for your tactic. Because i like it sooo much.
It would be perfect if you can do it for high-mid-underdog teams, thank you in advance.
Exsodya said: Mate if it’s possible could you post your favorite 11 for your tactic. Because i like it sooo much.
It would be perfect if you can do it for high-mid-underdog teams, thank you in advance.
It's hard because it depends on the club and league. For example, most top players don't want to to play in Brazil, Sweden or lower teams from England. There are also lots of budget players with stats decided at game generation. The perfect team would also cost too much to be realistic, since very few teams can afford the likes of Mbappé.
ZaZ said: It's hard because it depends on the club and league. For example, most top players don't want to to play in Brazil, Sweden or lower teams from England. There are also lots of budget players with stats decided at game generation. The perfect team would also cost too much to be realistic, since very few teams can afford the likes of Mbappé.
Okay than could you just post bargain eleven.
You don't put players that are not too expensive like mbappe or felix
I
@ZaZ I see your training schedule, its pretty brutal on the physical department.
Have you actually seen good increase in pace / endurance over the course of time with it ?
Also how do you set intensity with it, normally when they are 90%+ I set to double intensity, using the training schedule of pre season got me a nice few injuries, just wondering if this is random bad luck me or should I lower the intensity to normal when above 90% ?
Exsodya said: Okay than could you just post bargain eleven.
You don't put players that are not too expensive like mbappe or felix
I
I am going to tell a couple of names without looking at the price, checking only attributes from fminside.net. It's hard to say for sure because some leagues only allow a certain number of foreign players. I will also ignore hidden attributes that could be undesirable and players over 30 years old.
GK: https://fminside.net/players/43252073-gianluigi-donnarumma
DR: https://fminside.net/players/28104124-trent-alexander-arnold
DCR: https://fminside.net/players/85075627-raphael-varane
DCL: https://fminside.net/players/37024025-virgil-van-dijk
DL: https://fminside.net/players/67211695-theo-hernandez
DM: https://fminside.net/players/24016925-mateo-kovacic
ML: https://fminside.net/players/91138280-leroy-sane
MC: https://fminside.net/players/18004457-kevin-de-bruyne
MR: https://fminside.net/players/28054109-raheem-sterling
AMCR: https://fminside.net/players/85139014-kylian-mbappe
AMCL: https://fminside.net/players/98028755-mohamed-salah
Belmorn said: @ZaZ I see your training schedule, its pretty brutal on the physical department.
Have you actually seen good increase in pace / endurance over the course of time with it ?
Also how do you set intensity with it, normally when they are 90%+ I set to double intensity, using the training schedule of pre season got me a nice few injuries, just wondering if this is random bad luck me or should I lower the intensity to normal when above 90% ?
With double intensity, there will be injuries, but most of them for around three days. Maybe a couple of injuries of two to four weeks, but if you have more than three or four players with long term injury during pre-season, then you either got unlucky or your players are prone to injury. The endurance training pays off later during the season, because increasing natural fitness and stamina helps the players perform better and suffer less injuries (better condition and match fitness). However, I would reduce to normal intensity during in-season since you want to keep your players in top shape and without injuries. Also, double intensity doesn't have effect on next match bonuses or recovery, making it less effective for that schedule.
You will usually see attributes growing after one or two months. Pace and Acceleration will increase the most if you are also doing individual training for quickness. I often increase 2 to 3 points in those attributes during each season, with training rates between 8 and 10 to most players. All other attributes also increase, but only 1 or 2 points per season.
hi, can you share player individual training
Syamil said: hi, can you share player individual training
Quickness to everyone, reactions to goalkeeper. Let they train the role they will play.