White Europe said: i like all testing and ideas but just looking at 4 attributes allowed me to win the league with burnley med pred 18, everyone over 14 pace/accel central mids jumping and dribbling above 11, central defs jumping at least 14 Expand What was your media prediction for the following season?
captain3 said: But if my tactic has overlapping centre backs how can I see the "real" value of my players in that role if I can't insert the weights on FM26 field? Expand
Whatever weights you put in are going to be the same on the Player scoring system no matter what the name is. Since the FM26 one doesn't work just use Ball playing defender or any role on FM24 and input your weights.
ZaZ said: I have no clue what he has better that is much better than other elite games, unless "gets the crowd going" makes him score more goals. Expand I think I've mentioned it before, but it's worth saying again, that I tested player traits and found that they have no positive performance effect as far as I could tell
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Stamina is never CA cost effective compared to pace/acc, but comes closest on DC. It is also easier to find pace than stamina, except for DM. On the other hand starting 15 pace/15 acc/12+ sta is near impossible to find, however I think it's reasonable to assume you can train up +1 pace/acc by mid-season. Stamina's importance will also diminish as your player's pace/acc increases. So overall I won't be moving to 14 pace/acc/sta (14 pace/acc/sta also does a bit worse).
Since DM has the most CA headroom and stamina is easier to find for DM, I'm probably going to change DM to 14 pace/14 acc/14 sta instead of 15/15/13.
Balance and natural fitness have been lowered to 10 for outfield.
For GK, reflexes has been lowered to 10. 6th, 4th, 4th with just 10 reflexes. So far it's looking like jumping reach and agility will stay at 14.
Edit: Having some issues, retesting these attributes..
GeorgeFloydOverdosed said: Stamina is never CA cost effective compared to pace/acc, but comes closest on DC. It is also easier to find pace than stamina, except for DM. On the other hand starting 15 pace/15 acc/12+ sta is near impossible to find, however I think it's reasonable to assume you can train up +1 pace/acc by mid-season. Stamina's importance will also diminish as your player's pace/acc increases. So overall I won't be moving to 14 pace/acc/sta (14 pace/acc/sta also does a bit worse).
Since DM has the most CA headroom and stamina is easier to find for DM, I'm probably going to change DM to 14 pace/14 acc/14 sta instead of 15/15/13.
Balance and natural fitness have been lowered to 10 for outfield.
For GK, reflexes has been lowered to 10. 6th, 4th, 4th with just 10 reflexes. So far it's looking like jumping reach and agility will stay at 14. Expand
Hey, thanks to your research, I’ve been playing FM much more efficiently. I’m always grateful! This filter you made—'FM24 Age 26+/Pure performance: https://files.catbox.moe/8wskjk.grf'—is this the latest version?
DC is the last position that needs stamina as they run much less. They can still perform to a high level late in games.
Jumping reach for keepers is basically irrelevant. It's tied to headers, whereas aerial reach is for catching the ball. Reflexes is the strongest attribute for a keeper. It's why older keepers who start in the game, Oblak for example, are still top, top keepers with lower agility.
Rain said: Whatever weights you put in are going to be the same on the Player scoring system no matter what the name is. Since the FM26 one doesn't work just use Ball playing defender or any role on FM24 and input your weights. Expand
So the value/rating in a position is the same for every role?
Can someone please send the downloadble schedule that was like discussed here or just send a screenshot of how it looks like, I didn't fully understand how it's meant to be arranged
captain3 said: So the value/rating in a position is the same for every role? Expand
They will all be according to what weights you use. The role selected doesn't matter on the Player Scoring system. So if you use his weights he posted recently or if you use the older ones where every position has different weights it doesn't matter.
Theoddkid said: Can someone please send the downloadble schedule that was like discussed here or just send a screenshot of how it looks like, I didn't fully understand how it's meant to be arranged Expand
Doesn't matter where you put them just always have the day after games all blank for super rest (i.e my games are always wednesday/saturday)
for fm24 still -- what's the best/recommended way to use the template ideals for position to search for players? maybe just use the key/green attributes for each position and knock the ratings down until you get a suitable audience pool?
dancamp said: for fm24 still -- what's the best/recommended way to use the template ideals for position to search for players? maybe just use the key/green attributes for each position and knock the ratings down until you get a suitable audience pool? Expand
You ignore the key/green attributes. Fastest players possible. Many attributes are useless
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I was suddenly finishing ~9th-11th in every result and I couldn't work out why. Turned out the error was thinking I could get away with aer 14 > 13 at the same time and forgot about it.
So aer 14 > 13 has a greater effect than ref 14 > 10 + all outfield bal 13 > 10, nat 14 > 10.
Reflexes - High weight cost. Harder to get great goalkeepers. Minimal performance loss from 13 > 10. Balance - Low weight cost. No benefit at very high values. ~2 position drop from 13 > 11. Natural fitness - Zero weight cost. Easy to find. Crucial for player-managed team fitness in spite of lack of position drop observed.
Overall, I think I'll probably settle on 11 ref 12 bal 12 nat for the weightings.
I also did some other kinds of tests:
No friendlies, team bonding + community outreach only training = No team cohesion improvement by season start
7 friendlies + meta training = Medium team cohesion improvement by season start
17 friendlies + meta training = Large team cohesion improvement by season start. 5th, 5th finishes.
Low altitude match (Tiberias, Israel, -656) = No match fitness/condition difference compared to normal friendlies at 0 altitude. Seems the altitude penalty doesn't invert at negative altitudes.
Low altitude match edited in database to minimum possible (Tiberias, Israel, -1000) = No match fitness/condition difference compared to normal friendlies at 0 altitude.
High altitude match (Cerro de Pasco, Peru, 14189) = Huge condition difference, no match fitness difference. Already knew the first part, but interesting that playing higher altitude friendlies only has big downsides as no match fitness benefit.
Crappy first team opposition vs. their u18 team = No significant difference, but their u18 team should be easier, which may mean better morale for your team.
Custom 'park the bus' style tactic vs. Knap tactic = 4% higher condition for park the bus, while match fitness is identical. The weaker result impairs the morale gain though, so maybe a good idea would be to use Knap tactic 1st half, then a very slow tactic 2nd half. Reason why 1st half is it's when fatigue and anxiety/complacency hasn't set in yet. Probably only worthwhile for mid-season friendly matches, when you already have full Knap tactic familiarity.
So overall I would schedule ~7 pre-season friendlies (whatever manages your team fitness best) against the weakest teams at low altitude stadiums (preferably your own) or weak high rep teams if you need money, and for any appropriate mid-season friendlies use Knap tactic for 1st half then a very slow tactic for 2nd half.
dor said: Hey, thanks to your research, I’ve been playing FM much more efficiently. I’m always grateful! This filter you made—'FM24 Age 26+/Pure performance: https://files.catbox.moe/8wskjk.grf'—is this the latest version? Expand FM Genie Scout is messed up, but that file will still give you decent results.
But for the latest weightings, you need to download 'FM 26 player scoring system' and use weights I posted on page 8. I'll be posting an updated list of the weights soon. Maybe I can just upload my own edited file that you can just drag-and-drop into the folder.
keithb said: Jumping reach for keepers is basically irrelevant. It's tied to headers, whereas aerial reach is for catching the ball. Reflexes is the strongest attribute for a keeper. Expand GK jump 14 > 10 results in 4th/5th > 7th/8th
More shoddy testing. From someone who thinks, from their testing, tactics are more important than attributes. Didn't have Haaland as the best player. Silly Lockjaw. Jumping reach over reflexes for keepers, maybe it's Bozo. Do those shoes hurt after a few hours? Always wondered that.
And for GK Agility 13 Reflexes 10 Aerial reach 13 other attributes 1 Expand
I would test that for you, except that I already know that would fail, not because of other attributes 1 (except for certain hiddens) but because of stamina 10 concentration 10. Wouldn't survive relegation.
GeorgeFloydOverdosed said: I would test that for you, except that I already know that would fail, not because of other attributes 1 (except for certain hiddens) but because of stamina 10 concentration 10. Wouldn't survive relegation. Expand
So make it 13 for stamina and concentration and 13 for important hidden attributes
eXtazzy said: Can someone please share the latest ratings for FM Genie? I would appreciate it Expand I've made a new Genie Scout ratings file with the latest weightings:
I'll call it Premier League 1.0, since that's what it's designed to thrive in and I'll probably have a Championship/lower league one later.
Hiddens are not included, as weighting them seems to just mess things up badly. Use filter: 8 min for consistency, important matches, pressure, professionalism, natural fitness. Dirtiness 14<, Injury Proneness 13<.
Vision, Strength, Finishing are required, but not included because your players will most likely have 7-8+ in these attributes anyway and weighting them would just do more harm than good (i.e. 18 fin/12 pace player gets higher rating than 6 fin/14 pace player).
GK is included. SW is a basic tutor rating.
DC and Target Man have jumping reach valued at 17, but you should really put a filter for this, as 15 can be worthless compared to 17.
I've done a glance comparison with FM26 scoring system vs. these weightings in Genie Scout, it seems to work as intended.. but Genie Scout does have issues with how it calculates things, so if you want to be sure I recommend you use FM26 scoring system to double check the player before signing.
Something is really out of wack with Genie Scout. I don't know how many players it affects, but it's just unacceptable to me.
I realized that according to Genie Scout, Osimhen (91.65%) is better than Haaland (89.86%):
It is also the case with Nunez (88.54%) vs. Haaland. I couldn't find any way in Genie Scout to solve it, but looking around I did find that you can see progress rate for players in the free version by clicking 'compare with' on the player screen, which is useless nowadays but something I didn't know before.
The issue appears to be with the general & positional rating. If I click 'show potential', suddenly Haaland goes from 89% to 99%, even though he has very little room to grow. For other players, their potential rating is ~2% less than their current rating. So I think the way it's calculating things is just bugged, at least when using my custom weights.
Unfortunately there is no proper substitute for Genie Scout. I've been considering FMRTE, but the free version doesn't allow you to save weight changes, and only some people will be willing to pay money for FMRTE.
Thankfully 'FM26 Player Scoring System' is a free alternative that can get the job done. Ignore the version in the name, it can do both FM24 & FM26. The main problem with it is that it doesn't load from memory, so it's a bit less convienant (though Genie Scout takes time to load anyway) and it can't use/view hidden attributes (including CA/PA). It does at least give personality & footedness descriptions to go by, but you can't put it in the weightings. Nonetheless I find it viable and actually quite pleasant to use, and you could use it in conjunction with Genie Scout if need be.
Just follow the instructions to load it up, then input these weights into any role ('add roles' green button > 'edit weightings' small button):
acc 78 agg 42 agi 34 ant 50 bal 46 cnt 50 cmp 44 det 52 dri 50 fin 27 fir 7 hea 4 jum 53 lon 10 otb 2 pac 78 pas 4 sta 35 str 30 vis 27 wor 43
Where values are 10 or less, I added them in because they should have an effect, but I found they are non-essential attributes.
Initially pace/acc was 57, but I adjusted this according to observed data, such as these results someone on youtube got from putting the following at Man City:
goals/matches/rating
Haaland 40/38 7.57 Lewandowski 38/38 7.52 Mbappe 35/36 7.30 Messi 26/38 7.26 Ronaldo 23/33 7.19 Kane 28/38 7.12
I also observed other kinds of players. I couldn't get it 100% accurate, and Kane's rating is oddly low there (the goals scored seem more accurate), but overall I'm pleased with the result. Their scores:
Haaland 16.7 (1st) Lewandowski 15.3 (4th) Mbappe 15.3 (6th) Kane 15.0 (9th) Messi 14.5 (17th) Ronaldo 13.3
What was said about players like Doku still appears to be true. Doku is only 13.4.
Some fascinating things can occur at the edges. For instance this is the best player (7.8) at near zero wage/value:
We can see here he was a dud in Div 5, but got picked up by a Premier League team probably because he was the best young freebie option, before being dumped until eventually ending up being a dud even in Div 8.
The highest rated (12.2) ultra-low salary ($50/wk) option was in Chile and got picked up later by Nottm Forest:
Maybe I could adjust the Genie Scout values until the player lists become closely aligned, so that even though the weights will become non-sensical the results will be accurate, we'll see. Expand
i don't have genie scout cause i play on a mac but i'm using fmdatalabs for similar attribute rating with exports -- safe to say anything not listed here gets a 0 weight? also, do you have gk weights somewhere and i missed it?
dancamp said: i don't have genie scout cause i play on a mac but i'm using fmdatalabs for similar attribute rating with exports -- safe to say anything not listed here gets a 0 weight? also, do you have gk weights somewhere and i missed it? Expand
I use fmrte, works perfectly for this on mac, but doesn’t have a drop down list for ranking them in the next pos each but it still works
I'll call it Premier League 1.0, since that's what it's designed to thrive in and I'll probably have a Championship/lower league one later.
Hiddens are not included, as weighting them seems to just mess things up badly. Use filter: 8 min for consistency, important matches, pressure, professionalism, natural fitness. Dirtiness 14<, Injury Proneness 13<.
Vision, Strength, Finishing are required, but not included because your players will most likely have 7-8+ in these attributes anyway and weighting them would just do more harm than good (i.e. 18 fin/12 pace player gets higher rating than 6 fin/14 pace player).
GK is included. SW is a basic tutor rating.
DC and Target Man have jumping reach valued at 17, but you should really put a filter for this, as 15 can be worthless compared to 17.
I've done a glance comparison with FM26 scoring system vs. these weightings in Genie Scout, it seems to work as intended.. but Genie Scout does have issues with how it calculates things, so if you want to be sure I recommend you use FM26 scoring system to double check the player before signing. Expand
What weights would you give for the hiddens if I were to use on genie or fmrte
dancamp said: i don't have genie scout cause i play on a mac but i'm using fmdatalabs for similar attribute rating with exports -- safe to say anything not listed here gets a 0 weight? also, do you have gk weights somewhere and i missed it? Expand OpticFawn said: What weights would you give for the hiddens if I were to use on genie or fmrte Expand Outfield:
Dribbling 52 Aggression 44 Anticipation 52 Composure 44 Concentration 52 Determination 56 Work Rate 44 Acceleration 60 Agility 40 Balance 48 Jumping Reach 52 (68 for DC & Target Man) Pace 60 Stamina 52
GK:
Concentration 52 Determination 52 Acceleration 52 Agility 56 Jumping Reach 56 Pace 52 First Touch 52 Technique 52 Aerial Ability 56 Command of Area 48 Reflexes 44
I strongly caution against attempting to use those 5 last ones in Genie Scout, it's bugged. I tried and it had the opposite effect (bad personality = higher %, when other stats equal). Natural fitness is a visible attribute, but it functions different to the other visible ones in Genie Scout. Don't adjust other hiddens like injury proneness either, and you *may* have fairly accurate results in Genie Scout.
White Europe said: i like all testing and ideas but just looking at 4 attributes allowed me to win the league with burnley med pred 18, everyone over 14 pace/accel central mids jumping and dribbling above 11, central defs jumping at least 14
What was your media prediction for the following season?
LightningFlik said: What was your media prediction for the following season?
In this season it was 18th, didn't start second season yet
captain3 said: But if my tactic has overlapping centre backs how can I see the "real" value of my players in that role if I can't insert the weights on FM26 field?
Whatever weights you put in are going to be the same on the Player scoring system no matter what the name is. Since the FM26 one doesn't work just use Ball playing defender or any role on FM24 and input your weights.
ZaZ said: I have no clue what he has better that is much better than other elite games, unless "gets the crowd going" makes him score more goals.
I think I've mentioned it before, but it's worth saying again, that I tested player traits and found that they have no positive performance effect as far as I could tell
Stamina is never CA cost effective compared to pace/acc, but comes closest on DC. It is also easier to find pace than stamina, except for DM. On the other hand starting 15 pace/15 acc/12+ sta is near impossible to find, however I think it's reasonable to assume you can train up +1 pace/acc by mid-season. Stamina's importance will also diminish as your player's pace/acc increases. So overall I won't be moving to 14 pace/acc/sta (14 pace/acc/sta also does a bit worse).
Since DM has the most CA headroom and stamina is easier to find for DM, I'm probably going to change DM to 14 pace/14 acc/14 sta instead of 15/15/13.
Balance and natural fitness have been lowered to 10 for outfield.
For GK, reflexes has been lowered to 10. 6th, 4th, 4th with just 10 reflexes. So far it's looking like jumping reach and agility will stay at 14.
Edit: Having some issues, retesting these attributes..
GeorgeFloydOverdosed said: Stamina is never CA cost effective compared to pace/acc, but comes closest on DC. It is also easier to find pace than stamina, except for DM. On the other hand starting 15 pace/15 acc/12+ sta is near impossible to find, however I think it's reasonable to assume you can train up +1 pace/acc by mid-season. Stamina's importance will also diminish as your player's pace/acc increases. So overall I won't be moving to 14 pace/acc/sta (14 pace/acc/sta also does a bit worse).
Since DM has the most CA headroom and stamina is easier to find for DM, I'm probably going to change DM to 14 pace/14 acc/14 sta instead of 15/15/13.
Balance and natural fitness have been lowered to 10 for outfield.
For GK, reflexes has been lowered to 10. 6th, 4th, 4th with just 10 reflexes. So far it's looking like jumping reach and agility will stay at 14.
Hey, thanks to your research, I’ve been playing FM much more efficiently. I’m always grateful!
This filter you made—'FM24 Age 26+/Pure performance: https://files.catbox.moe/8wskjk.grf'—is this the latest version?
DC is the last position that needs stamina as they run much less. They can still perform to a high level late in games.
Jumping reach for keepers is basically irrelevant. It's tied to headers, whereas aerial reach is for catching the ball. Reflexes is the strongest attribute for a keeper. It's why older keepers who start in the game, Oblak for example, are still top, top keepers with lower agility.
Rain said: Whatever weights you put in are going to be the same on the Player scoring system no matter what the name is. Since the FM26 one doesn't work just use Ball playing defender or any role on FM24 and input your weights.
So the value/rating in a position is the same for every role?
Can someone please send the downloadble schedule that was like discussed here or just send a screenshot of how it looks like, I didn't fully understand how it's meant to be arranged
captain3 said: So the value/rating in a position is the same for every role?
They will all be according to what weights you use. The role selected doesn't matter on the Player Scoring system. So if you use his weights he posted recently or if you use the older ones where every position has different weights it doesn't matter.
Theoddkid said: Can someone please send the downloadble schedule that was like discussed here or just send a screenshot of how it looks like, I didn't fully understand how it's meant to be arranged
Doesn't matter where you put them just always have the day after games all blank for super rest (i.e my games are always wednesday/saturday)
for fm24 still -- what's the best/recommended way to use the template ideals for position to search for players? maybe just use the key/green attributes for each position and knock the ratings down until you get a suitable audience pool?
dancamp said: for fm24 still -- what's the best/recommended way to use the template ideals for position to search for players? maybe just use the key/green attributes for each position and knock the ratings down until you get a suitable audience pool?
You ignore the key/green attributes. Fastest players possible. Many attributes are useless
Look at these;
https://fm-arena.com/thread/14009-attribute-testing-football-manager-24/
https://fm-arena.com/thread/18816-fm24-i-re-tested-the-goalkeeper-s-attributes-using-newer-test-league/
https://fm-arena.com/thread/13685-current-24-4-latest-version-full-attribute-test-52000-match-samples/
I was suddenly finishing ~9th-11th in every result and I couldn't work out why. Turned out the error was thinking I could get away with aer 14 > 13 at the same time and forgot about it.
So aer 14 > 13 has a greater effect than ref 14 > 10 + all outfield bal 13 > 10, nat 14 > 10.
Results (after fixing aer; bal nat is outfield):
10 ref 10 bal 10 nat - 7th, 9th
13 ref 10 bal 10 nat - 9th, 7th, 7th, 6th, 8th
10 ref 13 bal 14 nat - 5th, 5th, 10th, 5th, 6th, 11th, 4th
11 ref 11 bal 12 nat - 7th, 7th, 7th, 8th
Pros and cons:
Reflexes - High weight cost. Harder to get great goalkeepers. Minimal performance loss from 13 > 10.
Balance - Low weight cost. No benefit at very high values. ~2 position drop from 13 > 11.
Natural fitness - Zero weight cost. Easy to find. Crucial for player-managed team fitness in spite of lack of position drop observed.
Overall, I think I'll probably settle on 11 ref 12 bal 12 nat for the weightings.
I also did some other kinds of tests:
No friendlies, team bonding + community outreach only training = No team cohesion improvement by season start
7 friendlies + meta training = Medium team cohesion improvement by season start
17 friendlies + meta training = Large team cohesion improvement by season start. 5th, 5th finishes.
Low altitude match (Tiberias, Israel, -656) = No match fitness/condition difference compared to normal friendlies at 0 altitude. Seems the altitude penalty doesn't invert at negative altitudes.
Low altitude match edited in database to minimum possible (Tiberias, Israel, -1000) = No match fitness/condition difference compared to normal friendlies at 0 altitude.
High altitude match (Cerro de Pasco, Peru, 14189) = Huge condition difference, no match fitness difference. Already knew the first part, but interesting that playing higher altitude friendlies only has big downsides as no match fitness benefit.
Crappy first team opposition vs. their u18 team = No significant difference, but their u18 team should be easier, which may mean better morale for your team.
Custom 'park the bus' style tactic vs. Knap tactic = 4% higher condition for park the bus, while match fitness is identical. The weaker result impairs the morale gain though, so maybe a good idea would be to use Knap tactic 1st half, then a very slow tactic 2nd half. Reason why 1st half is it's when fatigue and anxiety/complacency hasn't set in yet. Probably only worthwhile for mid-season friendly matches, when you already have full Knap tactic familiarity.
So overall I would schedule ~7 pre-season friendlies (whatever manages your team fitness best) against the weakest teams at low altitude stadiums (preferably your own) or weak high rep teams if you need money, and for any appropriate mid-season friendlies use Knap tactic for 1st half then a very slow tactic for 2nd half.
dor said: Hey, thanks to your research, I’ve been playing FM much more efficiently. I’m always grateful!
This filter you made—'FM24 Age 26+/Pure performance: https://files.catbox.moe/8wskjk.grf'—is this the latest version?
FM Genie Scout is messed up, but that file will still give you decent results.
But for the latest weightings, you need to download 'FM 26 player scoring system' and use weights I posted on page 8. I'll be posting an updated list of the weights soon. Maybe I can just upload my own edited file that you can just drag-and-drop into the folder.
keithb said: Jumping reach for keepers is basically irrelevant. It's tied to headers, whereas aerial reach is for catching the ball. Reflexes is the strongest attribute for a keeper.
GK jump 14 > 10 results in 4th/5th > 7th/8th
GK aer 14 > 13 results in 4th/5th > 9th-11th
GK ref 14 > 10 results in 4th/5th > 5th/6th
BTW is this guy you?
More shoddy testing. From someone who thinks, from their testing, tactics are more important than attributes. Didn't have Haaland as the best player. Silly Lockjaw. Jumping reach over reflexes for keepers, maybe it's Bozo. Do those shoes hurt after a few hours? Always wondered that.
Using everything I know so far I had a go at trying to survive with as many grey attributes as possible. Hiddens were kept the same.
Survived for 25 Premier League games, 13th when sacked. Won the Super Cup & Club World Championship (both full detail).
@GeorgeFloydOverdosed Can you test :
-Acceleration 15
-Agility 10
-Balance 10
-Jumping Reach 13
-Natural fitness 10
-Pace 15
-Stamina 10
-Anticipation 10
-Concentration 10
-Determination 10
-Work rate 10
-Dribbling 10
other attributes 1
And for GK Agility 13 Reflexes 10 Aerial reach 13 other attributes 1
Kma said: @GeorgeFloydOverdosed Can you test :
-Acceleration 15
-Agility 10
-Balance 10
-Jumping Reach 13
-Natural fitness 10
-Pace 15
-Stamina 10
-Anticipation 10
-Concentration 10
-Determination 10
-Work rate 10
-Dribbling 10
other attributes 1
And for GK Agility 13 Reflexes 10 Aerial reach 13 other attributes 1
I would test that for you, except that I already know that would fail, not because of other attributes 1 (except for certain hiddens) but because of stamina 10 concentration 10. Wouldn't survive relegation.
GeorgeFloydOverdosed said: I would test that for you, except that I already know that would fail, not because of other attributes 1 (except for certain hiddens) but because of stamina 10 concentration 10. Wouldn't survive relegation.
So make it 13 for stamina and concentration and 13 for important hidden attributes
@GeorgeFloydOverdosed
Are the ratings on page 8 for all positions, or are they only focused on strikers?
BaZuKa said: @GeorgeFloydOverdosed
Are the ratings on page 8 for all positions, or are they only focused on strikers?
All positions
You need some players to have high jumping reach though
Can someone please share the latest ratings for FM Genie? I would appreciate it
eXtazzy said: Can someone please share the latest ratings for FM Genie? I would appreciate it
I've made a new Genie Scout ratings file with the latest weightings:
https://files.catbox.moe/zhf2yl.grf
I'll call it Premier League 1.0, since that's what it's designed to thrive in and I'll probably have a Championship/lower league one later.
Hiddens are not included, as weighting them seems to just mess things up badly. Use filter: 8 min for consistency, important matches, pressure, professionalism, natural fitness. Dirtiness 14<, Injury Proneness 13<.
Vision, Strength, Finishing are required, but not included because your players will most likely have 7-8+ in these attributes anyway and weighting them would just do more harm than good (i.e. 18 fin/12 pace player gets higher rating than 6 fin/14 pace player).
GK is included. SW is a basic tutor rating.
DC and Target Man have jumping reach valued at 17, but you should really put a filter for this, as 15 can be worthless compared to 17.
I've done a glance comparison with FM26 scoring system vs. these weightings in Genie Scout, it seems to work as intended.. but Genie Scout does have issues with how it calculates things, so if you want to be sure I recommend you use FM26 scoring system to double check the player before signing.
Kma said: So make it 13 for stamina and concentration and 13 for important hidden attributes
7th (sacked with 2 games to go):
GK
DC
ST
Genuine question what does the new file set out to achieve? Best players, cost effective?
GeorgeFloydOverdosed said: @LightningFlik You were right about the discrepancy between Genie Scout's ratings and your own calculated ones.
Something is really out of wack with Genie Scout. I don't know how many players it affects, but it's just unacceptable to me.
I realized that according to Genie Scout, Osimhen (91.65%) is better than Haaland (89.86%):
It is also the case with Nunez (88.54%) vs. Haaland. I couldn't find any way in Genie Scout to solve it, but looking around I did find that you can see progress rate for players in the free version by clicking 'compare with' on the player screen, which is useless nowadays but something I didn't know before.
The issue appears to be with the general & positional rating. If I click 'show potential', suddenly Haaland goes from 89% to 99%, even though he has very little room to grow. For other players, their potential rating is ~2% less than their current rating. So I think the way it's calculating things is just bugged, at least when using my custom weights.
Unfortunately there is no proper substitute for Genie Scout. I've been considering FMRTE, but the free version doesn't allow you to save weight changes, and only some people will be willing to pay money for FMRTE.
Thankfully 'FM26 Player Scoring System' is a free alternative that can get the job done. Ignore the version in the name, it can do both FM24 & FM26. The main problem with it is that it doesn't load from memory, so it's a bit less convienant (though Genie Scout takes time to load anyway) and it can't use/view hidden attributes (including CA/PA). It does at least give personality & footedness descriptions to go by, but you can't put it in the weightings. Nonetheless I find it viable and actually quite pleasant to use, and you could use it in conjunction with Genie Scout if need be.
Just follow the instructions to load it up, then input these weights into any role ('add roles' green button > 'edit weightings' small button):
acc 78
agg 42
agi 34
ant 50
bal 46
cnt 50
cmp 44
det 52
dri 50
fin 27
fir 7
hea 4
jum 53
lon 10
otb 2
pac 78
pas 4
sta 35
str 30
vis 27
wor 43
Where values are 10 or less, I added them in because they should have an effect, but I found they are non-essential attributes.
Initially pace/acc was 57, but I adjusted this according to observed data, such as these results someone on youtube got from putting the following at Man City:
goals/matches/rating
Haaland 40/38 7.57
Lewandowski 38/38 7.52
Mbappe 35/36 7.30
Messi 26/38 7.26
Ronaldo 23/33 7.19
Kane 28/38 7.12
I also observed other kinds of players. I couldn't get it 100% accurate, and Kane's rating is oddly low there (the goals scored seem more accurate), but overall I'm pleased with the result. Their scores:
Haaland 16.7 (1st)
Lewandowski 15.3 (4th)
Mbappe 15.3 (6th)
Kane 15.0 (9th)
Messi 14.5 (17th)
Ronaldo 13.3
What was said about players like Doku still appears to be true. Doku is only 13.4.
Some fascinating things can occur at the edges. For instance this is the best player (7.8) at near zero wage/value:
We can see here he was a dud in Div 5, but got picked up by a Premier League team probably because he was the best young freebie option, before being dumped until eventually ending up being a dud even in Div 8.
The highest rated (12.2) ultra-low salary ($50/wk) option was in Chile and got picked up later by Nottm Forest:
Maybe I could adjust the Genie Scout values until the player lists become closely aligned, so that even though the weights will become non-sensical the results will be accurate, we'll see.
i don't have genie scout cause i play on a mac but i'm using fmdatalabs for similar attribute rating with exports -- safe to say anything not listed here gets a 0 weight? also, do you have gk weights somewhere and i missed it?
dancamp said: i don't have genie scout cause i play on a mac but i'm using fmdatalabs for similar attribute rating with exports -- safe to say anything not listed here gets a 0 weight? also, do you have gk weights somewhere and i missed it?
I use fmrte, works perfectly for this on mac, but doesn’t have a drop down list for ranking them in the next pos each but it still works
GeorgeFloydOverdosed said: I've made a new Genie Scout ratings file with the latest weightings:
https://files.catbox.moe/zhf2yl.grf
I'll call it Premier League 1.0, since that's what it's designed to thrive in and I'll probably have a Championship/lower league one later.
Hiddens are not included, as weighting them seems to just mess things up badly. Use filter: 8 min for consistency, important matches, pressure, professionalism, natural fitness. Dirtiness 14<, Injury Proneness 13<.
Vision, Strength, Finishing are required, but not included because your players will most likely have 7-8+ in these attributes anyway and weighting them would just do more harm than good (i.e. 18 fin/12 pace player gets higher rating than 6 fin/14 pace player).
GK is included. SW is a basic tutor rating.
DC and Target Man have jumping reach valued at 17, but you should really put a filter for this, as 15 can be worthless compared to 17.
I've done a glance comparison with FM26 scoring system vs. these weightings in Genie Scout, it seems to work as intended.. but Genie Scout does have issues with how it calculates things, so if you want to be sure I recommend you use FM26 scoring system to double check the player before signing.
What weights would you give for the hiddens if I were to use on genie or fmrte
dancamp said: i don't have genie scout cause i play on a mac but i'm using fmdatalabs for similar attribute rating with exports -- safe to say anything not listed here gets a 0 weight? also, do you have gk weights somewhere and i missed it?
OpticFawn said: What weights would you give for the hiddens if I were to use on genie or fmrte
Outfield:
Dribbling 52
Aggression 44
Anticipation 52
Composure 44
Concentration 52
Determination 56
Work Rate 44
Acceleration 60
Agility 40
Balance 48
Jumping Reach 52 (68 for DC & Target Man)
Pace 60
Stamina 52
GK:
Concentration 52
Determination 52
Acceleration 52
Agility 56
Jumping Reach 56
Pace 52
First Touch 52
Technique 52
Aerial Ability 56
Command of Area 48
Reflexes 44
For both:
Important Matches 52
Natural Fitness 48
Consistency 52
Pressure 52
Professionalism 52
I strongly caution against attempting to use those 5 last ones in Genie Scout, it's bugged. I tried and it had the opposite effect (bad personality = higher %, when other stats equal). Natural fitness is a visible attribute, but it functions different to the other visible ones in Genie Scout. Don't adjust other hiddens like injury proneness either, and you *may* have fairly accurate results in Genie Scout.
Bit late for April 1st.