I'll call it Premier League 1.0, since that's what it's designed to thrive in and I'll probably have a Championship/lower league one later.
Hiddens are not included, as weighting them seems to just mess things up badly. Use filter: 8 min for consistency, important matches, pressure, professionalism, natural fitness. Dirtiness 14<, Injury Proneness 13<.
Vision, Strength, Finishing are required, but not included because your players will most likely have 7-8+ in these attributes anyway and weighting them would just do more harm than good (i.e. 18 fin/12 pace player gets higher rating than 6 fin/14 pace player).
GK is included. SW is a basic tutor rating.
DC and Target Man have jumping reach valued at 17, but you should really put a filter for this, as 15 can be worthless compared to 17.
I've done a glance comparison with FM26 scoring system vs. these weightings in Genie Scout, it seems to work as intended.. but Genie Scout does have issues with how it calculates things, so if you want to be sure I recommend you use FM26 scoring system to double check the player before signing. Expand
So if I understand correctly, I should first filter the players based on hidden attribute, then use the ratings to order the remaining players and find the best players?
Kriek said: So if I understand correctly, I should first filter the players based on hidden attribute, then use the ratings to order the remaining players and find the best players? Expand Yes
Serial42 said: Jumping reach is important for fullbacks and wingers in FM26 ? Expand I haven't tested FM26, but it should be the same as for FM24, which is that jumping reach is important for every position. It's essential that you have at least 1 or 2 players that have very high jumping reach (i.e. 17), but having good jumping reach on other players is also of strong benefit - even if it's just 13 instead of 10.
I strongly caution against attempting to use those 5 last ones in Genie Scout, it's bugged. I tried and it had the opposite effect (bad personality = higher %, when other stats equal). Natural fitness is a visible attribute, but it functions different to the other visible ones in Genie Scout. Don't adjust other hiddens like injury proneness either, and you *may* have fairly accurate results in Genie Scout. Expand
These are probably the worst set of numbers I've ever seen for genie scout. Again you don't understand the game, your testing is dreadful and I don't even understand how anyone can produce numbers like this. And it's for every player? Recently you ridiculed me for saying stamina is important and now you have it eight behind acceleration and pace. How is speed only set to 60??? Reflexes is the lowest attribute for keepers. Lower than metals, jumping reach and technique. This has to be a troll.
Nobody would be using these. Wingers and full backs don't need jumping reach. Mbappe and Salah will produce incredible numbers and they are both low.
I must admit... first posts were in the good way, useful, but i don't really understand the gap with last post.
This game is simple: all tests show us that you need 2 key attributes, that you can max to the best note, and the other good attributes need to be in a range of 9-13 if you can.
If you're in second division, a team with 13 in 4-5 key attributes is good enough to reach the top, and even win a national cup.
To reach top europe, you just need to put ACC-PAC to the max you can, and keep a good pack of attributes next to this two.
If you see someone like Collocolo with 13 or 14 in all atributes, buy it and hug it every day.
If you see a regen with 15 in JUM or DRI and a good card, ask him to train pace every day, and loan it after two years.
Change a player only if you can max an attribute in 6-7 key notes, if not, keep him.
And don't forget, the match you see or you instant res. is just a way to dress an algorythm.
Better the team: better the results. There's no Pep In FM, there's just good puzzle maker.
keithb said: These are probably the worst set of numbers I've ever seen for genie scout. Again you don't understand the game, your testing is dreadful and I don't even understand how anyone can produce numbers like this. And it's for every player? Recently you ridiculed me for saying stamina is important and now you have it eight behind acceleration and pace. How is speed only set to 60??? Reflexes is the lowest attribute for keepers. Lower than metals, jumping reach and technique. This has to be a troll.
Nobody would be using these. Wingers and full backs don't need jumping reach. Mbappe and Salah will produce incredible numbers and they are both low. Expand Anyone who doubts the results can spend 20 minutes plugging in the numbers from my templates to an existing Premier League team in the editor and then holiday a season with Knap tactic (any good one) + 'Blue' set piece routines.
None of the attribute values are theory; they have been repeatedly tested in the English Premier League on full detail with an otherwise default database.
But I'll entertain your little supposed counter-example.
A youtuber put some of the best strikers in the Premier League to compare them. His results were:
If you look at Mbappe's stats he has 20 acc/pace while Haaland only has 17 acc/19 pace. Mbappe even has better dribbling (18 vs 14). If you compare the two, Haaland's main advantages over Mbappe are jumping reach, heading, aggression, strength.
If you plug my weights into FM26 scoring system, the order of STs is:
Haaland 16.7 Lewandowski 15.4 Mbappe 15.0 Messi 14.1 Ronaldo 13.0 Kane 14.8
The only one out of order there is Kane, until you realize that Kane scored more goals than Messi and Ronaldo. From another Youtuber's test, we know that rating doesn't reflect actual performance properly (it boosts technical players over physical players, even when the physicals actually win the games). Salah is ranked 7th overall, slightly above Mbappe. In one of my saves I just checked, Salah got 7.50 rating in his first season, which is about right.
Oh well if a youtuber said so!! You have Kane above Mbappe, who isn't in the top10 players?? He is the BEST fast striker in the game and probably best lw with Vini. Ronaldo and Messi aren't that good in FM24!! Kane is better than them. Nor is Lewandowski, the gap between him and Haaland is immense.
Other people with a decent understanding of the game will also say your ratings are dreadful. I always thought you didn't really know what you were doing, you just rehashed a lot of other people’s work, but this is worse than I ever imagined.
Its also hilarious pointing out the difference between Haaland and Mbappe. You reckon??
keithb said: Oh well if a youtuber said so!! You have Kane above Mbappe, who isn't in the top10 players?? He is the BEST fast striker in the game and probably best lw with Vini. Ronaldo and Messi aren't that good in FM24!! Kane is better than them. Nor is Lewandowski, the gap between him and Haaland is immense.
Other people with a decent understanding of the game will also say your ratings are dreadful. I always thought you didn't really know what you were doing, you just rehashed a lot of other people’s work, but this is worse than I ever imagined.
Its also hilarious pointing out the difference between Haaland and Mbappe. You reckon?? Expand You are very confused, I suggest you reread slowly. I wrote clearly that Mbappe is above Kane, and that Kane is better than Ronaldo and Messi. Mbappe is ranked 10th ST.
That's three basic comprehension errors, but your other claims are false too. Here is the video that shows Lewandowski comes a close 2nd to Haaland, and Mbappe doing pretty crap in the Premier League.
Confused? Comprehension?? I put your ratings file in and Mbappe is ranked lower than Kane!! Always funny that you come back with something and its either mad or in this case just what? Mbappe's rating is LOW using your ratings file. Have you even looked????? I think you might even have Giroud higher lol. Its not possible.
You realise a lot of people do things on youtube and its just for views?
keithb said: Confused? Comprehension?? I put your ratings file in and Mbappe is ranked lower than Kane!! Always funny that you come back with something and its either mad or in this case just what? Mbappe's rating is LOW using your ratings file. Have you even looked????? I think you might even have Giroud higher lol. Its not possible.
You realise a lot of people do things on youtube and its just for views? Expand I said to use FM26 scoring system. As I have said repeatedly before, FM Genie Scout is bugged and therefore I recommend FM26 scoring system if you want the most accurate result.
In FM26 scoring system, Mbappe is 10th (15.0) and Kane is 12th (14.8).
That said, these are two very apples & oranges players. Kane has very high mentals/technicals/jumping reach, but 12 acc/14 pace, whereas Mbappe is 20 acc/pace and low jumping reach.
But at the end of the day, that is quibbling about whether Kane is 10th or 12th or 17th. A 1% difference.
The youtube video shows the form statistics for each player as screenshots from the game. Why would they doctor the screenshots? You're grasping at straws.
GeorgeFloydOverdosed said: I've made a new Genie Scout ratings file with the latest weightings:
https://files.catbox.moe/zhf2yl.grf
I'll call it Premier League 1.0, since that's what it's designed to thrive in and I'll probably have a Championship/lower league one later.
Hiddens are not included, as weighting them seems to just mess things up badly. Use filter: 8 min for consistency, important matches, pressure, professionalism, natural fitness. Dirtiness 14<, Injury Proneness 13<.
Vision, Strength, Finishing are required, but not included because your players will most likely have 7-8+ in these attributes anyway and weighting them would just do more harm than good (i.e. 18 fin/12 pace player gets higher rating than 6 fin/14 pace player).
GK is included. SW is a basic tutor rating.
DC and Target Man have jumping reach valued at 17, but you should really put a filter for this, as 15 can be worthless compared to 17.
I've done a glance comparison with FM26 scoring system vs. these weightings in Genie Scout, it seems to work as intended.. but Genie Scout does have issues with how it calculates things, so if you want to be sure I recommend you use FM26 scoring system to double check the player before signing.
So if I understand correctly, I should first filter the players based on hidden attribute, then use the ratings to order the remaining players and find the best players?
Jumping reach is important for fullbacks and wingers in FM26 ?
Kriek said: So if I understand correctly, I should first filter the players based on hidden attribute, then use the ratings to order the remaining players and find the best players?
Yes
Serial42 said: Jumping reach is important for fullbacks and wingers in FM26 ?
I haven't tested FM26, but it should be the same as for FM24, which is that jumping reach is important for every position. It's essential that you have at least 1 or 2 players that have very high jumping reach (i.e. 17), but having good jumping reach on other players is also of strong benefit - even if it's just 13 instead of 10.
GeorgeFloydOverdosed said: Outfield:
Dribbling 52
Aggression 44
Anticipation 52
Composure 44
Concentration 52
Determination 56
Work Rate 44
Acceleration 60
Agility 40
Balance 48
Jumping Reach 52 (68 for DC & Target Man)
Pace 60
Stamina 52
GK:
Concentration 52
Determination 52
Acceleration 52
Agility 56
Jumping Reach 56
Pace 52
First Touch 52
Technique 52
Aerial Ability 56
Command of Area 48
Reflexes 44
For both:
Important Matches 52
Natural Fitness 48
Consistency 52
Pressure 52
Professionalism 52
I strongly caution against attempting to use those 5 last ones in Genie Scout, it's bugged. I tried and it had the opposite effect (bad personality = higher %, when other stats equal). Natural fitness is a visible attribute, but it functions different to the other visible ones in Genie Scout. Don't adjust other hiddens like injury proneness either, and you *may* have fairly accurate results in Genie Scout.
These are probably the worst set of numbers I've ever seen for genie scout. Again you don't understand the game, your testing is dreadful and I don't even understand how anyone can produce numbers like this. And it's for every player? Recently you ridiculed me for saying stamina is important and now you have it eight behind acceleration and pace. How is speed only set to 60??? Reflexes is the lowest attribute for keepers. Lower than metals, jumping reach and technique. This has to be a troll.
Nobody would be using these. Wingers and full backs don't need jumping reach. Mbappe and Salah will produce incredible numbers and they are both low.
I must admit... first posts were in the good way, useful, but i don't really understand the gap with last post.
This game is simple: all tests show us that you need 2 key attributes, that you can max to the best note, and the other good attributes need to be in a range of 9-13 if you can.
If you're in second division, a team with 13 in 4-5 key attributes is good enough to reach the top, and even win a national cup.
To reach top europe, you just need to put ACC-PAC to the max you can, and keep a good pack of attributes next to this two.
If you see someone like Collocolo with 13 or 14 in all atributes, buy it and hug it every day.
If you see a regen with 15 in JUM or DRI and a good card, ask him to train pace every day, and loan it after two years.
Change a player only if you can max an attribute in 6-7 key notes, if not, keep him.
And don't forget, the match you see or you instant res. is just a way to dress an algorythm.
Better the team: better the results. There's no Pep In FM, there's just good puzzle maker.
keithb said: These are probably the worst set of numbers I've ever seen for genie scout. Again you don't understand the game, your testing is dreadful and I don't even understand how anyone can produce numbers like this. And it's for every player? Recently you ridiculed me for saying stamina is important and now you have it eight behind acceleration and pace. How is speed only set to 60??? Reflexes is the lowest attribute for keepers. Lower than metals, jumping reach and technique. This has to be a troll.
Nobody would be using these. Wingers and full backs don't need jumping reach. Mbappe and Salah will produce incredible numbers and they are both low.
Anyone who doubts the results can spend 20 minutes plugging in the numbers from my templates to an existing Premier League team in the editor and then holiday a season with Knap tactic (any good one) + 'Blue' set piece routines.
None of the attribute values are theory; they have been repeatedly tested in the English Premier League on full detail with an otherwise default database.
But I'll entertain your little supposed counter-example.
A youtuber put some of the best strikers in the Premier League to compare them. His results were:
haaland 40 goals/38 appearances 7.57 rating
lewandowski 38/38 7.52
mbappe 35/36 7.30
messi 26/38 7.26
ronaldo 23/33 7.19
kane 28/38 7.12
If you look at Mbappe's stats he has 20 acc/pace while Haaland only has 17 acc/19 pace. Mbappe even has better dribbling (18 vs 14). If you compare the two, Haaland's main advantages over Mbappe are jumping reach, heading, aggression, strength.
If you plug my weights into FM26 scoring system, the order of STs is:
Haaland 16.7
Lewandowski 15.4
Mbappe 15.0
Messi 14.1
Ronaldo 13.0
Kane 14.8
The only one out of order there is Kane, until you realize that Kane scored more goals than Messi and Ronaldo. From another Youtuber's test, we know that rating doesn't reflect actual performance properly (it boosts technical players over physical players, even when the physicals actually win the games). Salah is ranked 7th overall, slightly above Mbappe. In one of my saves I just checked, Salah got 7.50 rating in his first season, which is about right.
Oh well if a youtuber said so!! You have Kane above Mbappe, who isn't in the top10 players?? He is the BEST fast striker in the game and probably best lw with Vini. Ronaldo and Messi aren't that good in FM24!! Kane is better than them. Nor is Lewandowski, the gap between him and Haaland is immense.
Other people with a decent understanding of the game will also say your ratings are dreadful. I always thought you didn't really know what you were doing, you just rehashed a lot of other people’s work, but this is worse than I ever imagined.
Its also hilarious pointing out the difference between Haaland and Mbappe. You reckon??
keithb said: Oh well if a youtuber said so!! You have Kane above Mbappe, who isn't in the top10 players?? He is the BEST fast striker in the game and probably best lw with Vini. Ronaldo and Messi aren't that good in FM24!! Kane is better than them. Nor is Lewandowski, the gap between him and Haaland is immense.
Other people with a decent understanding of the game will also say your ratings are dreadful. I always thought you didn't really know what you were doing, you just rehashed a lot of other people’s work, but this is worse than I ever imagined.
Its also hilarious pointing out the difference between Haaland and Mbappe. You reckon??
You are very confused, I suggest you reread slowly. I wrote clearly that Mbappe is above Kane, and that Kane is better than Ronaldo and Messi. Mbappe is ranked 10th ST.
That's three basic comprehension errors, but your other claims are false too. Here is the video that shows Lewandowski comes a close 2nd to Haaland, and Mbappe doing pretty crap in the Premier League.
Confused? Comprehension?? I put your ratings file in and Mbappe is ranked lower than Kane!! Always funny that you come back with something and its either mad or in this case just what? Mbappe's rating is LOW using your ratings file. Have you even looked????? I think you might even have Giroud higher lol. Its not possible.
You realise a lot of people do things on youtube and its just for views?
Talking of comprehension. Your understanding of the game is not very good. Do you even play it? I genuinely feel like you dont play the game.
keithb said: Confused? Comprehension?? I put your ratings file in and Mbappe is ranked lower than Kane!! Always funny that you come back with something and its either mad or in this case just what? Mbappe's rating is LOW using your ratings file. Have you even looked????? I think you might even have Giroud higher lol. Its not possible.
You realise a lot of people do things on youtube and its just for views?
I said to use FM26 scoring system. As I have said repeatedly before, FM Genie Scout is bugged and therefore I recommend FM26 scoring system if you want the most accurate result.
In FM26 scoring system, Mbappe is 10th (15.0) and Kane is 12th (14.8).
That said, these are two very apples & oranges players. Kane has very high mentals/technicals/jumping reach, but 12 acc/14 pace, whereas Mbappe is 20 acc/pace and low jumping reach.
But at the end of the day, that is quibbling about whether Kane is 10th or 12th or 17th. A 1% difference.
The youtube video shows the form statistics for each player as screenshots from the game. Why would they doctor the screenshots? You're grasping at straws.
Doctoring screenshots?? What are you on about now????
The reason your ratings are so bad in genie scout is because they are. Blaming genie scout for your ratings is clutching for straws.
You have a very poor understanding of testing and Football Manager the game. Its ridiculous.
And with a small club, best to first use FM26 ratings, then after a few season switch to the other method, so filtering and then apply ratings?