Machismo said: Learning a new trait - my mob are down in the Vanarama zones playing ZaZ Blue. Generically speaking what "new trait" would suit each positional role to learn?
e.g. Def. winger > hug touchline or come inside, etc? Expand
Get traits that match the player roles. For example, wingers have instructions to move outside with the ball, so they would be better hugging the touchline than coming inside.
pixar said: Hi bro, I would have a few questions. Your instructions for your shadow strikers include move into channels.
Do you make your coaches do this training in the development of your shadow strikers? would you recommend this?
Also, do you prefer to have reverse or normal feet depending on the side where your shadow strikers are located?
Thank you Expand
Yes, I would train move into channels on the shadow strikers. I'm not sure if it makes any difference in the game mechanics, but I feel like it makes the players stick more to what you want from the tactics.
Same foot as side for defenders, wingers and strikers. For IWB or the midfielders, foot preference doesn't matter much.
Hey prutton, amazing work on the tactic been having a blast taking hungerford town to European glory, it’s been a very successful 16 seasons.
I was wondering if you had done any tests on the shadow strikers and their weak foots, how important is it to have a good weak foot on your shadow strikers for this tactic or is it important at all, would you give up a few points on acc/pace for it? And what are your general thoughts on weak foots. Thanks a ton.
@ZaZ I've been using the blue tactic for a long time and I really think it's the best tactic in the game. If we want to make some changes and use a different approach, what would you recommend? Other than Blue, is there a different tactic that you use from time to time and have success? For example, a tactic that uses real strikers? I would be very happy if you could help, I trust your suggestions very much.
Kathos said: Hey prutton, amazing work on the tactic been having a blast taking hungerford town to European glory, it’s been a very successful 16 seasons.
I was wondering if you had done any tests on the shadow strikers and their weak foots, how important is it to have a good weak foot on your shadow strikers for this tactic or is it important at all, would you give up a few points on acc/pace for it? And what are your general thoughts on weak foots. Thanks a ton. Expand
Thank you for the compliment.
I didn't test for weak foot, but it was tested here before and it's better to have the same foot as side. However, I wouldn't sacrifice stats for a stronger weak foot. I don't know how important it is, but in my experience, I've never noticed that someone good with both feet was any better than someone similar but only one foot.
Django said: @ZaZ I've been using the blue tactic for a long time and I really think it's the best tactic in the game. If we want to make some changes and use a different approach, what would you recommend? Other than Blue, is there a different tactic that you use from time to time and have success? For example, a tactic that uses real strikers? I would be very happy if you could help, I trust your suggestions very much. Expand
I think Void is very amusing to watch, it's a crime it didn't reach the 7.0's in score table. I also like a lot the layout of Afterlife, because two DMs make it easier to build a balanced squad. For a tactic with real strikers, it's hard to beat Fanatic.
Your amazing tactics made my day!! I was facing man utd act like please take the 3 points and leave me alone tried ur tactic today, after first match against them i did as you said "start with "cutuios" and turn it to postive in sec half i thought gonna lose after 1/0 in 1st half .. but it works dude!!! that's first time i receive this msg .. felt that i'm managing my team now. Thanks
Keshk said: Your amazing tactics made my day!! I was facing man utd act like please take the 3 points and leave me alone tried ur tactic today, after first match against them i did as you said "start with "cutuios" and turn it to postive in sec half i thought gonna lose after 1/0 in 1st half .. but it works dude!!! that's first time i receive this msg .. felt that i'm managing my team now. Thanks Expand
Gratz! Get used, because you will see that message all the time now. =)
Hi @ZaZ Regarding the training schedules. Do i need to change the Match days in the schedules or does it change automatically when you load the schedules? If i need to change it my self, is there a simple way to do so?
Segun said: Hi @ZaZ Regarding the training schedules. Do i need to change the Match days in the schedules or does it change automatically when you load the schedules? If i need to change it my self, is there a simple way to do so? Expand
Unfortunately, you need to change the schedules by yourself. I also wish there was an automatic way to do that. The easiest way is to copy from an empty week, then paste on the weeks you want. You need to go month by month pasting in all weeks.
About match day, you need to change manually if your league plays in different days. Just move trainings from saturday to sunday, then save it.
There is also an option in Preferences -> Advanced -> Match -> Processing -> Match scheduling options, where you can change so you have games only on Wednesdays and Saturdays, so you won't have to bother with editing schedules.
Egraam said: There is also an option in Preferences -> Advanced -> Match -> Processing -> Match scheduling options, where you can change so you have games only on Wednesdays and Saturdays, so you won't have to bother with editing schedules. Expand
Egraam said: There is also an option in Preferences -> Advanced -> Match -> Processing -> Match scheduling options, where you can change so you have games only on Wednesdays and Saturdays, so you won't have to bother with editing schedules. Expand
Wait until FM22, with Covid-19 going on. Leagues start six months later, then you have three matches per week.
ZaZ said: Wait until FM22, with Covid-19 going on. Leagues start six months later, then you have three matches per week. Expand
Hmm, I wonder if that will make FM Arena's current testing method too unrealistic? There's already the conflict where high-intensity tactics can sometimes overperform here since there's no fatigue in the testing league. With good enough players and 1-2 games per week it doesn't seem to really make a big difference in an actual save. But in FM22 if we're forced to use way more backup players due to squad fatigue, I wonder if low-intensity tactics might be a more successful season-long option, allowing the best players to play more often.
dakiri said: Hmm, I wonder if that will make FM Arena's current testing method too unrealistic? There's already the conflict where high-intensity tactics can sometimes overperform here since there's no fatigue in the testing league. With good enough players and 1-2 games per week it doesn't seem to really make a big difference in an actual save. But in FM22 if we're forced to use way more backup players due to squad fatigue, I wonder if low-intensity tactics might be a more successful season-long option, allowing the best players to play more often. Expand
Our testing just shows that in FM high intensity tactics give you better chances on success than low intensity tactics but using a high intensity tactic all the time during your game would be a quit stupid thing to do because that way you would drained the conditions of your players very fast. Don't forget you're the manager and it's up to you to decide when to use a high intensity tactic and when it'd be better to save the conditions of your players and use a low intensity tactic.
Also, don't forget it isn't necessary to use a high intensity tactic during a whole match, for example, if your team got a lead by few goals then you can change to a low intensity tactic to save the conditions of your players.
dakiri said: Hmm, I wonder if that will make FM Arena's current testing method too unrealistic? There's already the conflict where high-intensity tactics can sometimes overperform here since there's no fatigue in the testing league. With good enough players and 1-2 games per week it doesn't seem to really make a big difference in an actual save. But in FM22 if we're forced to use way more backup players due to squad fatigue, I wonder if low-intensity tactics might be a more successful season-long option, allowing the best players to play more often. Expand
Like @Zippo said above, FM-Arena tries to find the best tactic. However, building a balanced squad, rotating and managing players psycology is still a duty for the manager. You can still have a lower intensity tactic for when matches are already decided or when you need to rest players, since you have three available slots for tactics. However, if you want to skip the managing aspects of the game, then you also need to sacrifice the quality of your tactic.
Yes, definitely agree with you both! Just pointing out that if there's a 3 games/week schedule in FM22 (even for just 1 year), it'll be even more important, and some of the lower intensity tactics that tend to score poorly here might be comparably even stronger than they appear.
dakiri said: Yes, definitely agree with you both! Just pointing out that if there's a 3 games/week schedule in FM22 (even for just 1 year), it'll be even more important, and some of the lower intensity tactics that tend to score poorly here might be comparably even stronger than they appear. Expand
If you play three matches a week, you need to rotate the entire team for the middle match. For example, you can do team A, team B, team A, or play with mixed A, mixed B, mixed A. As long as you rest players from training after the matches, they will handle it.
I played a game in Brazil with Juventude, considered the worst team from the league, and managed to get the crown in the first season with points to spare, despite playing three matches a week. It's completely doable if you focus on team management. (Thanks @Gpassosbh for the update for South American leagues.)
dakiri said: Yes, definitely agree with you both! Just pointing out that if there's a 3 games/week schedule in FM22 (even for just 1 year), it'll be even more important, and some of the lower intensity tactics that tend to score poorly here might be comparably even stronger than they appear. Expand
A high intensity tactic always will be giving you higher chances on success in a match than a low intensity tactics, like in real life when you do something at full of your capabilities your chances on success are higher than when you do that at half of your capabilities.
Using only a high intensity tactic or only a low intensity tactic all the time won't give you the best result. The trick is proper using a high intensity tactic and a low intensity tactic when there's an appropriate moment for it.
Keshk said: should i change their individuals as they want or keep it "Quickness" like what u said ? Expand
Let them whine. If you check the happiness menu, they are still happy despite being unhappy with training. Training is just a very small part of happiness and I prefer to ignore those complains than not develop my players the way I want.
Can you remind me about in-season training. I downloaded but haven't read any thoughts, comments. In-season training - Is switching to in-season 2nd year for every team in 2nd season or is it for elites only? I'm York 2nd season in (Vanarama Nat.)
Machismo said: Can you remind me about in-season training. I downloaded but haven't read any thoughts, comments. In-season training - Is switching to in-season 2nd year for every team in 2nd season or is it for elites only? I'm York 2nd season in (Vanarama Nat.) Expand
It's for any professional teams, since semi-professionals don't train full time. I suppose York is professional, right?
Pre-season is supposed to be used in the first 4 or 5 weeks of the year, while In-season is during the season, starting in the week of the first official match.
Hello! Thank you for all the information you have provided so far, this thread is great.
I was just wondering which pitch dimensions you found to be most effective on this tactic? My instinct says you would want the pitch dimensions to be wide to allow your players to fully utilise their pace advantage, but perhaps narrow pitch dimensions would get the best out of the two shadow strikers.
Maxieplang said: Hello! Thank you for all the information you have provided so far, this thread is great.
I was just wondering which pitch dimensions you found to be most effective on this tactic? My instinct says you would want the pitch dimensions to be wide to allow your players to fully utilise their pace advantage, but perhaps narrow pitch dimensions would get the best out of the two shadow strikers.
Thank you in advance! Expand
Thanks!
I always choose as big as possible. The longer the pitch, the more space behind defenders, making through balls more effective. The wider the pitch, the more space between players, creating more opportunities to run into space for those through balls. I might be wrong, but it usually works for me.
I always choose as big as possible. The longer the pitch, the more space behind defenders, making through balls more effective. The wider the pitch, the more space between players, creating more opportunities to run into space for those through balls. I might be wrong, but it usually works for me. Expand
Machismo said: Learning a new trait - my mob are down in the Vanarama zones playing ZaZ Blue. Generically speaking what "new trait" would suit each positional role to learn?
e.g. Def. winger > hug touchline or come inside, etc?
Get traits that match the player roles. For example, wingers have instructions to move outside with the ball, so they would be better hugging the touchline than coming inside.
Hi bro, I would have a few questions.
Your instructions for your shadow strikers include move into channels.
Do you make your coaches do this training in the development of your shadow strikers? would you recommend this?
Also, do you prefer to have reverse or normal feet depending on the side where your shadow strikers are located?
Thank you
pixar said: Hi bro, I would have a few questions.
Your instructions for your shadow strikers include move into channels.
Do you make your coaches do this training in the development of your shadow strikers? would you recommend this?
Also, do you prefer to have reverse or normal feet depending on the side where your shadow strikers are located?
Thank you
Yes, I would train move into channels on the shadow strikers. I'm not sure if it makes any difference in the game mechanics, but I feel like it makes the players stick more to what you want from the tactics.
Same foot as side for defenders, wingers and strikers. For IWB or the midfielders, foot preference doesn't matter much.
Hey prutton, amazing work on the tactic been having a blast taking hungerford town to European glory, it’s been a very successful 16 seasons.
I was wondering if you had done any tests on the shadow strikers and their weak foots, how important is it to have a good weak foot on your shadow strikers for this tactic or is it important at all, would you give up a few points on acc/pace for it? And what are your general thoughts on weak foots. Thanks a ton.
@ZaZ I've been using the blue tactic for a long time and I really think it's the best tactic in the game. If we want to make some changes and use a different approach, what would you recommend? Other than Blue, is there a different tactic that you use from time to time and have success? For example, a tactic that uses real strikers? I would be very happy if you could help, I trust your suggestions very much.
Kathos said: Hey prutton, amazing work on the tactic been having a blast taking hungerford town to European glory, it’s been a very successful 16 seasons.
I was wondering if you had done any tests on the shadow strikers and their weak foots, how important is it to have a good weak foot on your shadow strikers for this tactic or is it important at all, would you give up a few points on acc/pace for it? And what are your general thoughts on weak foots. Thanks a ton.
Thank you for the compliment.
I didn't test for weak foot, but it was tested here before and it's better to have the same foot as side. However, I wouldn't sacrifice stats for a stronger weak foot. I don't know how important it is, but in my experience, I've never noticed that someone good with both feet was any better than someone similar but only one foot.
Django said: @ZaZ I've been using the blue tactic for a long time and I really think it's the best tactic in the game. If we want to make some changes and use a different approach, what would you recommend? Other than Blue, is there a different tactic that you use from time to time and have success? For example, a tactic that uses real strikers? I would be very happy if you could help, I trust your suggestions very much.
I think Void is very amusing to watch, it's a crime it didn't reach the 7.0's in score table. I also like a lot the layout of Afterlife, because two DMs make it easier to build a balanced squad. For a tactic with real strikers, it's hard to beat Fanatic.
Your amazing tactics made my day!!
I was facing man utd act like please take the 3 points and leave me alone
tried ur tactic today, after first match against them i did as you said "start with "cutuios" and turn it to postive in sec half
i thought gonna lose after 1/0 in 1st half .. but it works dude!!!
that's first time i receive this msg .. felt that i'm managing my team now. Thanks
Keshk said: Your amazing tactics made my day!!
I was facing man utd act like please take the 3 points and leave me alone
tried ur tactic today, after first match against them i did as you said "start with "cutuios" and turn it to postive in sec half
i thought gonna lose after 1/0 in 1st half .. but it works dude!!!
that's first time i receive this msg .. felt that i'm managing my team now. Thanks
Gratz! Get used, because you will see that message all the time now. =)
Hi @ZaZ Regarding the training schedules. Do i need to change the Match days in the schedules or does it change automatically when you load the schedules? If i need to change it my self, is there a simple way to do so?
Segun said: Hi @ZaZ Regarding the training schedules. Do i need to change the Match days in the schedules or does it change automatically when you load the schedules? If i need to change it my self, is there a simple way to do so?
Unfortunately, you need to change the schedules by yourself. I also wish there was an automatic way to do that. The easiest way is to copy from an empty week, then paste on the weeks you want. You need to go month by month pasting in all weeks.
About match day, you need to change manually if your league plays in different days. Just move trainings from saturday to sunday, then save it.
There is also an option in Preferences -> Advanced -> Match -> Processing -> Match scheduling options, where you can change so you have games only on Wednesdays and Saturdays, so you won't have to bother with editing schedules.
Egraam said: There is also an option in Preferences -> Advanced -> Match -> Processing -> Match scheduling options, where you can change so you have games only on Wednesdays and Saturdays, so you won't have to bother with editing schedules.
Nice, thanks alot for the answer guys.
Egraam said: There is also an option in Preferences -> Advanced -> Match -> Processing -> Match scheduling options, where you can change so you have games only on Wednesdays and Saturdays, so you won't have to bother with editing schedules.
Wait until FM22, with Covid-19 going on. Leagues start six months later, then you have three matches per week.
ZaZ said: Wait until FM22, with Covid-19 going on. Leagues start six months later, then you have three matches per week.
Hmm, I wonder if that will make FM Arena's current testing method too unrealistic? There's already the conflict where high-intensity tactics can sometimes overperform here since there's no fatigue in the testing league. With good enough players and 1-2 games per week it doesn't seem to really make a big difference in an actual save. But in FM22 if we're forced to use way more backup players due to squad fatigue, I wonder if low-intensity tactics might be a more successful season-long option, allowing the best players to play more often.
dakiri said: Hmm, I wonder if that will make FM Arena's current testing method too unrealistic? There's already the conflict where high-intensity tactics can sometimes overperform here since there's no fatigue in the testing league. With good enough players and 1-2 games per week it doesn't seem to really make a big difference in an actual save. But in FM22 if we're forced to use way more backup players due to squad fatigue, I wonder if low-intensity tactics might be a more successful season-long option, allowing the best players to play more often.
Our testing just shows that in FM high intensity tactics give you better chances on success than low intensity tactics but using a high intensity tactic all the time during your game would be a quit stupid thing to do because that way you would drained the conditions of your players very fast. Don't forget you're the manager and it's up to you to decide when to use a high intensity tactic and when it'd be better to save the conditions of your players and use a low intensity tactic.
Also, don't forget it isn't necessary to use a high intensity tactic during a whole match, for example, if your team got a lead by few goals then you can change to a low intensity tactic to save the conditions of your players.
dakiri said: Hmm, I wonder if that will make FM Arena's current testing method too unrealistic? There's already the conflict where high-intensity tactics can sometimes overperform here since there's no fatigue in the testing league. With good enough players and 1-2 games per week it doesn't seem to really make a big difference in an actual save. But in FM22 if we're forced to use way more backup players due to squad fatigue, I wonder if low-intensity tactics might be a more successful season-long option, allowing the best players to play more often.
Like @Zippo said above, FM-Arena tries to find the best tactic. However, building a balanced squad, rotating and managing players psycology is still a duty for the manager. You can still have a lower intensity tactic for when matches are already decided or when you need to rest players, since you have three available slots for tactics. However, if you want to skip the managing aspects of the game, then you also need to sacrifice the quality of your tactic.
Yes, definitely agree with you both! Just pointing out that if there's a 3 games/week schedule in FM22 (even for just 1 year), it'll be even more important, and some of the lower intensity tactics that tend to score poorly here might be comparably even stronger than they appear.
dakiri said: Yes, definitely agree with you both! Just pointing out that if there's a 3 games/week schedule in FM22 (even for just 1 year), it'll be even more important, and some of the lower intensity tactics that tend to score poorly here might be comparably even stronger than they appear.
If you play three matches a week, you need to rotate the entire team for the middle match. For example, you can do team A, team B, team A, or play with mixed A, mixed B, mixed A. As long as you rest players from training after the matches, they will handle it.
I played a game in Brazil with Juventude, considered the worst team from the league, and managed to get the crown in the first season with points to spare, despite playing three matches a week. It's completely doable if you focus on team management. (Thanks @Gpassosbh for the update for South American leagues.)
dakiri said: Yes, definitely agree with you both! Just pointing out that if there's a 3 games/week schedule in FM22 (even for just 1 year), it'll be even more important, and some of the lower intensity tactics that tend to score poorly here might be comparably even stronger than they appear.
A high intensity tactic always will be giving you higher chances on success in a match than a low intensity tactics, like in real life when you do something at full of your capabilities your chances on success are higher than when you do that at half of your capabilities.
Using only a high intensity tactic or only a low intensity tactic all the time won't give you the best result. The trick is proper using a high intensity tactic and a low intensity tactic when there's an appropriate moment for it.
should i change their individuals as they want or keep it "Quickness" like what u said ?
Keshk said: should i change their individuals as they want or keep it "Quickness" like what u said ?
Let them whine. If you check the happiness menu, they are still happy despite being unhappy with training. Training is just a very small part of happiness and I prefer to ignore those complains than not develop my players the way I want.
Can you remind me about in-season training. I downloaded but haven't read any thoughts, comments. In-season training - Is switching to in-season 2nd year for every team in 2nd season or is it for elites only? I'm York 2nd season in (Vanarama Nat.)
Machismo said: Can you remind me about in-season training. I downloaded but haven't read any thoughts, comments. In-season training - Is switching to in-season 2nd year for every team in 2nd season or is it for elites only? I'm York 2nd season in (Vanarama Nat.)
It's for any professional teams, since semi-professionals don't train full time. I suppose York is professional, right?
Pre-season is supposed to be used in the first 4 or 5 weeks of the year, while In-season is during the season, starting in the week of the first official match.
Is the difference between blue, light blue & dark blue only the mentality?
famulor said: Is the difference between blue, light blue & dark blue only the mentality?
No, Light Blue also has stay on feet to reduce yellow cards.
Hello! Thank you for all the information you have provided so far, this thread is great.
I was just wondering which pitch dimensions you found to be most effective on this tactic? My instinct says you would want the pitch dimensions to be wide to allow your players to fully utilise their pace advantage, but perhaps narrow pitch dimensions would get the best out of the two shadow strikers.
Thank you in advance!
Maxieplang said: Hello! Thank you for all the information you have provided so far, this thread is great.
I was just wondering which pitch dimensions you found to be most effective on this tactic? My instinct says you would want the pitch dimensions to be wide to allow your players to fully utilise their pace advantage, but perhaps narrow pitch dimensions would get the best out of the two shadow strikers.
Thank you in advance!
Thanks!
I always choose as big as possible. The longer the pitch, the more space behind defenders, making through balls more effective. The wider the pitch, the more space between players, creating more opportunities to run into space for those through balls. I might be wrong, but it usually works for me.
ZaZ said: Thanks!
I always choose as big as possible. The longer the pitch, the more space behind defenders, making through balls more effective. The wider the pitch, the more space between players, creating more opportunities to run into space for those through balls. I might be wrong, but it usually works for me.
thanks for the tip mate.
What is the preferred foot of the two wingers
pipo said: What is the preferred foot of the two wingers
Same as side.