CBP87 said: Sorry its not achievements I'm after, when using Genie Scout, I use the PA over anything else, I completely disregards the position and potential rating, was just wondering what others do when deciding on which players to buy on GS Expand Interesting approach, but why prioritize PA over everything else? Wouldn't the potential positional rating be more relevant if you're focusing on potential?
I tried an experiment with Alavés in 2027 after leaving my previous job and ended up winning the title in my first season. The club was predicted to finish 17th, and I sold almost the entire squad, keeping only the goalkeeper. Using the ratings from above (tweaked a bit), I finished with 101 points, just one more than Klopp’s Real Madrid, and only lost three games—twice to Real and once to Barca away (despite having a higher xG in that match). I had a net spend of just €7 million and only signed players based on current positional ratings since I wasn’t planning to continue the save and didn’t care about their long-term potential.
Zippo said: Yes, you're right. I somehow overlooked it. It's possible to load players directly from the memory using Genie Scout.
But I found another critical issue with Genie Scout, it doesn't have an option to search for players with Homegrown status.
If I again overlooked it and there's an option to search players with Homegrown status in Genie Scout then please, let me know about. Expand
I think you're right on that one — Genie Scout doesn’t seem to have a built-in option to search for players with Homegrown status. Funny enough, even with my 14-year Reading save, I’ve never run into a situation where I wasn’t meeting the Homegrown criteria.
That said, the shortlist feature can come in handy for this. Here’s how I’d approach it:
1. In-game, go to the scouting tab. 2. From the players section, select 'players in range.' 3. Add condition to narrow down players based on the Homegrown criteria. 4. Add all those players to a shortlist. 5. Load the shortlist in Genie Scout. 6. Apply further filtering within that shortlist using Genie Scout.
It’s not ideal, but it’s a workaround that might help.
Zippo said: The last time we checked Genie Scout we found that the app changed the way it works.
Before Genie Scout was loading players directly from the memory, the same way as FMRTE but now it requires creating a player list in the transfer center in the game and Genie Scout can only load the players from that list.
We find the way Genie Scout loads players is a bit complicated and overall the process of setting it up and using it would be too confusing for people. Expand
Actually, Genie Scout can load all players directly from memory. What you're describing sounds like the process of importing a shortlist from the game into Genie, which is just one of the features available. You can do both. Personally, I load all players from memory, apply @Mark's ratings, and then filter within Genie based on those ratings.
Sorry if I misunderstood your point, but it seemed like you were suggesting that loading players is only possible via shortlist, which isn't the case.
BulldozerJokic said: They score headings from set pieces, yes. I honestly saw more headings from late winger runs than from strikers in this game. Expand
Yeah, sometimes the wingers come at the far post scoring headers, while having 10 jumping reach.
JEL7879 said: Are u playing the game? JR strikers are by far the ones that most score. Expand
I haven’t noticed much difference in open play. A striker with 20 Acc/Pace and 10 JR doesn’t seem to score a lot less than one with 20/20/20 Acc/Pace/JR. The big difference comes from set pieces. My CB gets 15-20 goals per season from them. So yeah, in my opinion, that’s how Haaland racks up 60-80 goals a season without much effort in-game—he’s the main aerial threat on set pieces, plus his insane Acc/Pace helps.
For most attributes, you can figure out if they’re defensive or offensive based on goals for/goals against, but jumping reach isn’t as clear. Do the +14 goals come mainly from set pieces or open play? It’s probably set pieces, right? This just reinforces how jumping reach doesn’t matter much for strikers, like the ykykyk findings from a few years ago, especially since most top tactics rely on low crosses. Having 2-3 defensive players with good jumping reach should be plenty to score from set pieces and defend them effectively.
BulldozerJokic said: These are tremendous data, thank you! As I am most exclusively play academy-only saves, his once again brings the importance of your HoYD's personality. Model professional is not enough, model citizen is the way. Also, I will put more emphasis on taller players. Expand
Could you expand on the difference between the two personalities, please?
Singularity said: I had switched to 7x recovery + Quickness focus since recovery seems to improve the results somehow, so it's good to see that it is much better than just the ret at super charging pace and acc Expand
Am I reading the table wrong? How is it "much better" if full rest + additional focus quickness (J10) has a score of 4.39 Pace + Acc, while 7 x recovery + aditional focus quickness (R11) sits at 4.36?
mscottdm said: so , in a normal save with a europa league team or a chl team playing every wed-sat or thu-sun, what is the ideal training schedule ? Expand
Eppstar said: Here is the progression of three players after 9 seasons. I used R5 training for the U19s and V7 training for the first and second teams. They spent 2 years in the U19s, 1 year in the second team (Championnat National 2), and the rest in the first team.
PS: I made these three players younger at the start of the game because I wanted to observe their progression over the longest possible period. Expand
Wait, let me get this clear: you took a 15-16 years old Medhi Harfi with 6 acceleration and 10 pace and developed him into a 19/19 player?! God damn.
Monday - Quickness, Attacking, Recovery Tues - 3 x Rest (Super rest) Wed - Match Practice, Routines, Recovery Thurs - 3 x Recovery Fri - Recovery, Rest, Match Focus Sat - Rest, Match, Rest Sun - Rest, Match Review, Recovery
Has the 7 recoveries, 1 x Match Practice, 1 x Quickness, 1 x Attacking. I just put a 'routines' in so that my routines go full green bar. Every 2nd week i swap routines for team bonding.
Should this work?
PS thanks to Harvestgreen22 and ZaZ for sharing all their work! Expand
Won't you get "match focus" on Tuesday thus cancelling the super rest? If you have 2 games per week I mean.
keithb said: Sesko and even Lucca being slower are incredible. Expand
So, you'd choose Lucca over someone faster but with poor jumping reach?
I tried this strategy for a couple of seasons and noticed that my AF scored more goals when he had high jumping reach. I used Emegha, who had 16/17 pace and acceleration and 18 jumping reach. However, I realized that he rarely scored from open-play high crosses; most of his goals came from set-pieces because he was the main aerial threat.
After that, I stopped obsessively seeking strikers with high jumping reach because they are rare after 10-15 years into the save, and those that do appear often have low speed. However, having at least one striker who can jump and score 4-5 goals from random high crosses can be smart, but not as crucial as you suggest. You might as well get a center-back with high jumping reach who will score the 20 goals from set-pieces that my kangaroo striker would have otherwise.
pixar said: My friend, with your method, my injuries have decreased significantly and my players continue their physical-mental-technical development. I do not give my players individual training. I only provide weak foot strengthening training for my eligible players. They usually solve it in 1 season. I do not give my players manual holidays. But I play in rotation. I play with my main squad in Europe, with my reserve squad in the matches I play at home before or after the European matches in the league, with my main squad in the remaining matches and finally with my reserve squad in the local cups.
The key to this program is to give players full rest (for 3 sessions) the day after match days. If there is no match on Wednesday-Saturday, it is just a corner routine or shot stopping training for goalkeepers. Additionally, if there is no match on Wednesday, I added team bonding training to the evening session to boost team harmony and motivation.
I played 6 seasons with 24.3.0 using this method. I play my matches on Wednesday-Saturday.
Below is a preview of the training program and download links.
Great post! Thanks for all your hard work over the years, I've been a big fan.
I have a question about Genie Scout ratings that's been on my mind. They consider all attributes, right? But something I don't quite understand is your preference for strikers with higher pace even if their overall rating is lower. For example, picking an 88% striker with 17 pace/acc over a 93% striker with 14 pace/acc. Isn't pace already factored into the overall rating?
On another note, totally agree about center backs. My save has tons rated over 90% but with jumping reach below 14-15, which seems low for set pieces.
Also, could you please explain the logic behind the individual focus training? I was following Zaz's recommendations from a couple of years ago with Quickness for everybody, except the DMs and FBs which were assigned Endurance.
Loving all these tactics and tweaks, cheers for putting them together!
Quick question: are DMs just cursed in FM or am I picking the wrong guys? Struggling to get them decent ratings, although I am winning pretty much everything.
Which one are you trying next? Delicious has one posted. That's the one I've been using in my current save and I'm topping the "goals from corners" table.
Interesting approach, but why prioritize PA over everything else? Wouldn't the potential positional rating be more relevant if you're focusing on potential?
I tried an experiment with Alavés in 2027 after leaving my previous job and ended up winning the title in my first season. The club was predicted to finish 17th, and I sold almost the entire squad, keeping only the goalkeeper. Using the ratings from above (tweaked a bit), I finished with 101 points, just one more than Klopp’s Real Madrid, and only lost three games—twice to Real and once to Barca away (despite having a higher xG in that match). I had a net spend of just €7 million and only signed players based on current positional ratings since I wasn’t planning to continue the save and didn’t care about their long-term potential.
But I found another critical issue with Genie Scout, it doesn't have an option to search for players with Homegrown status.
If I again overlooked it and there's an option to search players with Homegrown status in Genie Scout then please, let me know about.
I think you're right on that one — Genie Scout doesn’t seem to have a built-in option to search for players with Homegrown status. Funny enough, even with my 14-year Reading save, I’ve never run into a situation where I wasn’t meeting the Homegrown criteria.
That said, the shortlist feature can come in handy for this. Here’s how I’d approach it:
1. In-game, go to the scouting tab.
2. From the players section, select 'players in range.'
3. Add condition to narrow down players based on the Homegrown criteria.
4. Add all those players to a shortlist.
5. Load the shortlist in Genie Scout.
6. Apply further filtering within that shortlist using Genie Scout.
It’s not ideal, but it’s a workaround that might help.
Before Genie Scout was loading players directly from the memory, the same way as FMRTE but now it requires creating a player list in the transfer center in the game and Genie Scout can only load the players from that list.
We find the way Genie Scout loads players is a bit complicated and overall the process of setting it up and using it would be too confusing for people.
Actually, Genie Scout can load all players directly from memory. What you're describing sounds like the process of importing a shortlist from the game into Genie, which is just one of the features available. You can do both. Personally, I load all players from memory, apply @Mark's ratings, and then filter within Genie based on those ratings.
Sorry if I misunderstood your point, but it seemed like you were suggesting that loading players is only possible via shortlist, which isn't the case.
Yeah, sometimes the wingers come at the far post scoring headers, while having 10 jumping reach.
I haven’t noticed much difference in open play. A striker with 20 Acc/Pace and 10 JR doesn’t seem to score a lot less than one with 20/20/20 Acc/Pace/JR. The big difference comes from set pieces. My CB gets 15-20 goals per season from them. So yeah, in my opinion, that’s how Haaland racks up 60-80 goals a season without much effort in-game—he’s the main aerial threat on set pieces, plus his insane Acc/Pace helps.
If my thinking is off here, let me know.
Could you expand on the difference between the two personalities, please?
Am I reading the table wrong? How is it "much better" if full rest + additional focus quickness (J10) has a score of 4.39 Pace + Acc, while 7 x recovery + aditional focus quickness (R11) sits at 4.36?
https://pixeldrain.com/u/ZTwb8Jbj
https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/39735/
PS: I made these three players younger at the start of the game because I wanted to observe their progression over the longest possible period.
Wait, let me get this clear: you took a 15-16 years old Medhi Harfi with 6 acceleration and 10 pace and developed him into a 19/19 player?! God damn.
Thank you for all the effort!
For the last two.
Monday - Quickness, Attacking, Recovery
Tues - 3 x Rest (Super rest)
Wed - Match Practice, Routines, Recovery
Thurs - 3 x Recovery
Fri - Recovery, Rest, Match Focus
Sat - Rest, Match, Rest
Sun - Rest, Match Review, Recovery
Has the 7 recoveries, 1 x Match Practice, 1 x Quickness, 1 x Attacking. I just put a 'routines' in so that my routines go full green bar. Every 2nd week i swap routines for team bonding.
Should this work?
PS thanks to Harvestgreen22 and ZaZ for sharing all their work!
Won't you get "match focus" on Tuesday thus cancelling the super rest? If you have 2 games per week I mean.
So, you'd choose Lucca over someone faster but with poor jumping reach?
I tried this strategy for a couple of seasons and noticed that my AF scored more goals when he had high jumping reach. I used Emegha, who had 16/17 pace and acceleration and 18 jumping reach. However, I realized that he rarely scored from open-play high crosses; most of his goals came from set-pieces because he was the main aerial threat.
After that, I stopped obsessively seeking strikers with high jumping reach because they are rare after 10-15 years into the save, and those that do appear often have low speed. However, having at least one striker who can jump and score 4-5 goals from random high crosses can be smart, but not as crucial as you suggest. You might as well get a center-back with high jumping reach who will score the 20 goals from set-pieces that my kangaroo striker would have otherwise.
I do not give my players manual holidays. But I play in rotation. I play with my main squad in Europe, with my reserve squad in the matches I play at home before or after the European matches in the league, with my main squad in the remaining matches and finally with my reserve squad in the local cups.
The key to this program is to give players full rest (for 3 sessions) the day after match days. If there is no match on Wednesday-Saturday, it is just a corner routine or shot stopping training for goalkeepers. Additionally, if there is no match on Wednesday, I added team bonding training to the evening session to boost team harmony and motivation.
I played 6 seasons with 24.3.0 using this method.
I play my matches on Wednesday-Saturday.
Below is a preview of the training program and download links.
Cheers.
Why half intensity though?
once again - thank you for your work, Mark
https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/35408/
I have a question about Genie Scout ratings that's been on my mind. They consider all attributes, right? But something I don't quite understand is your preference for strikers with higher pace even if their overall rating is lower. For example, picking an 88% striker with 17 pace/acc over a 93% striker with 14 pace/acc. Isn't pace already factored into the overall rating?
On another note, totally agree about center backs. My save has tons rated over 90% but with jumping reach below 14-15, which seems low for set pieces.
Also, could you please explain the logic behind the individual focus training? I was following Zaz's recommendations from a couple of years ago with Quickness for everybody, except the DMs and FBs which were assigned Endurance.
Quick question: are DMs just cursed in FM or am I picking the wrong guys? Struggling to get them decent ratings, although I am winning pretty much everything.
Delicious has one posted. That's the one I've been using in my current save and I'm topping the "goals from corners" table.
https://community.sigames.com/forums/topic/569493-delicious-zone-fm24-23/page/11/#comment-14274330