Make sure you're using full detail, can be overlooked Expand
FM 24 and yes I'm using full detail. I went with Orion's classic, Harvestgreen's test weights, Keiths he posted, your Pure Performance, and Premier League 2.1
Rain said: We could really solve this "which file is best?" problem pretty easily. Take whichever files say your original, pure performance, prem 2.1, keith, etc. and just use each file to make a team in the league based on the best player you can buy for 1 mil and under (Should filter out teams using a bunch of the same top players) and if they do have the same player just clone them. Then just run the league a good amount of times and take the median results. Expand
Currently running sims it will probably take a while to get a good sample size. Took me forever just setting it up for 5 teams. There's definitely dupes (Especially pure performance team), but should be different enough. Had to avoid the big 3 FA GKs in the original db as they would have been in every team (De Gea, Leno, Neto) Although ended up with a few Ochoa anyway.
I did exactly this with 2 of my files and Orion's as a control. The search isn't working right now, so I can't find the exact results right now, both of my files did something like 6 positions better.
I think I used $1mil budget per player, and picked the 60th ranked player in position + backups just beneath them of course.
It was tedious (even for me!), and unfortunately when it came to revisiting it for testing the new file that came after that, I hadn't tracked everything properly so I would have to redo the selection for all 3 files in addition again so I didn't bother and used a different method of assessment instead.
But it's probably worth revisiting in the future.
Although no doubt we'll still hear in response 'I don't want players under $1mil! I want the best players! If they have an extra 6 passing for an extra $50mil, I don't care, I want it!' from Yarema, treath, and friends. Expand
Yeah it doesn't have to be 1 mil exactly was just an idea. Why did you do 60th ranked? I figured give each team or file that is being tested the top 18 or so guys by rating and positions at 1 mil or under and every team use the same exact tactic. Could either replace the lowest prem teams or just run it in whatever test league is used. I could set it up I'm sure I just need to know which files to even test I'm losing track at this point.
I'm honestly sick of seeing people b*tch about this when all these files will do fine no matter what you use as long as you even have basic FM knowledge.
We could really solve this "which file is best?" problem pretty easily. Take whichever files say your original, pure performance, prem 2.1, keith, etc. and just use each file to make a team in the league based on the best player you can buy for 1 mil and under (Should filter out teams using a bunch of the same top players) and if they do have the same player just clone them. Then just run the league a good amount of times and take the median results.
ZaZ said: In any game where results depend on the position of autonomous agents, the speed in which they change position will always be one of the most important factors. It is only natural because moving faster allows agents to correct their inefficiency. Expand
Yeah exactly it's always been the same thing in every sports game (i.e. Pace in Fifa and speed in other sport games) so I'm always surprised to see people complaining about it being such a big issue in football manager.
Zighnetar said: I'm also adding this test. While it applies to the 2018 version, it seems that the 2017 and 2018 versions may differ in their use of attributes that are dead in versions 24 and 26. Expand
I think physical attributes becoming so good were related to Gegenpress being added in FM 19, so that may be why it's not as good in 17 and 18.
GeorgeFloydOverdosed said: 4) I don't recall the Blended file vs template problem. And I'm not sure which came first, so I can't assume it's that the template invalidated the Blended file. All I can say is that when I did my best attempt at an objective comparative test of all the files, the Blended one did poorly. From memory, the Blended file was mainly based on HarvestGreen22's data + consideration of CA weights + consideration of player growth. I was also still using positional differences at that time, which now turns out to be bunk. As a point of history now, we can go back and ask 'Well, was the Blended file actually a step backwards from even the first file, and therefore do you regret putting it out there?'. At least that's the question I ask myself. And for the other files, I can say, 'they were better than the first file, but perhaps only marginally in hindsight'. Actually was striking to me was how although the improvement was marginal, the improvements of my files and those of others appear remarkably gradual and consistent. I would have expected things to be more over the place. And I could be wrong, but I think this latest method and the weightings derived from it are a big step forward. Expand Weirdly enough the blended file has been my favorite one so far out of all the ones I've used, but I'm generally not only looking for the "best" player and prefer getting a mix of performance and potential.
What am I missing here why do you think Mbappe and Sterling should be closer in terms of results? I would assume the +5 Pace, +3 Acceleration, +3 Dribbling, and +5 Determination alone would speak for itself.
keithb said: Im a bit confused as to why calling someone Bozo, after the clown, leaps to a last warning? Other people have called me a retard, told me im pissing in my own face and compared me to an intolerable third worlder. Would any of these come with a warning? What about continuously lying about a user or lying about what they've said? Thats ok?
On another note I notice your website now comes with a red warning from chrome and a critical warning on another browser. Have you addressed these security issues? Expand
Probably because if you look at your posts they are all attacking the same guy for months
I haven't seen those other insults to you, but those are most likely just as true
keithb said: I would never say who has dm'd me or publish their dm's. Never. Nor would I tell anyone over dm. They are private.
But again I do ask Bozo the Liar to publish the DM he said I sent him last week begging him to delete the results of my ratings file. lol. Obviously he cant because he LIED, surprise surprise, saying I had. Expand
Of course you wouldn't because they're dms from your burners lmao
GeorgeFloydOverdosed said: HarvestGreen did that and got results that don't align with the real rankings. You could say my rankings aren't real because the rest of my team is artificial, but it would be closer to the reality than HarvestGreen's because all of the opposition is real. Expand
I understand what you're saying, but you also can't assume your player will be playing the same teams every time there will be different players playing depending on who the managers decide to play anyway. Also we know what is important so why are you still trying to get this to an exact science 3 years later?
If you really want to test strikers and rank them should probably just give all the teams in the league including your own the exact same attributes besides the player you are testing. That way you will have consistent data and confirm your player is always playing in the same circumstances.
Of course pace and acceleration aren't needed they're just the best. People have been playing and succeeding for years thinking all attributes are important.
keithb said: I was on holiday. Sorry I didn't reply to you immediately and made one other post in that time. Again you don't understand what rent free means. Expand
You brought up your boyfriend in a post that didn't involve him. I'd say that's exactly what rent free means
I like simulating to the future when all the real players are gone so I took over Gil Vicente at the bottom of Liga Portugal in 2051. Came in and didn't have any money so this was all free transfers besides a couple 100k type deals the second year using the Blended and Pure Performance files mostly. Was able to win the league in the 2nd season along with a cup in both seasons using a 3-2-4-1 tactic I threw together (Defense is not as easy without having OOP tactics in this system)
Those files still seem to work the best for me at least, but I would also check players across with the new file and honestly most players available to me at the top are usually similar for the most part anyway. Appreciate the work.
keithb said: Its minor, like a rounding error. This post is hysterical.
I wasn't aware it was doing this, but its not the reason Bozo Lockjaw doesn't have Mbappe in the top 20 players and thinks Ngolo Kante is a better right winger than Yamal. Thats because his file is awful and actually says speed isn't that important.
You can use genie scout with the correct weightings and it will sill have the top 10 players for each position correct, they just might be in the wrong order. But hopefully you can use your own eyes, and brain if its there, to see who might turn out to be the best. Expand
Make sure you're using full detail, can be overlooked
FM 24 and yes I'm using full detail. I went with Orion's classic, Harvestgreen's test weights, Keiths he posted, your Pure Performance, and Premier League 2.1
Currently running sims it will probably take a while to get a good sample size. Took me forever just setting it up for 5 teams. There's definitely dupes (Especially pure performance team), but should be different enough. Had to avoid the big 3 FA GKs in the original db as they would have been in every team (De Gea, Leno, Neto) Although ended up with a few Ochoa anyway.
I did exactly this with 2 of my files and Orion's as a control. The search isn't working right now, so I can't find the exact results right now, both of my files did something like 6 positions better.
I think I used $1mil budget per player, and picked the 60th ranked player in position + backups just beneath them of course.
It was tedious (even for me!), and unfortunately when it came to revisiting it for testing the new file that came after that, I hadn't tracked everything properly so I would have to redo the selection for all 3 files in addition again so I didn't bother and used a different method of assessment instead.
But it's probably worth revisiting in the future.
Although no doubt we'll still hear in response 'I don't want players under $1mil! I want the best players! If they have an extra 6 passing for an extra $50mil, I don't care, I want it!' from Yarema, treath, and friends.
Yeah it doesn't have to be 1 mil exactly was just an idea. Why did you do 60th ranked?
I figured give each team or file that is being tested the top 18 or so guys by rating and positions at 1 mil or under and every team use the same exact tactic. Could either replace the lowest prem teams or just run it in whatever test league is used. I could set it up I'm sure I just need to know which files to even test I'm losing track at this point.
I'm honestly sick of seeing people b*tch about this when all these files will do fine no matter what you use as long as you even have basic FM knowledge.
Yeah exactly it's always been the same thing in every sports game (i.e. Pace in Fifa and speed in other sport games) so I'm always surprised to see people complaining about it being such a big issue in football manager.
I think physical attributes becoming so good were related to Gegenpress being added in FM 19, so that may be why it's not as good in 17 and 18.
Weirdly enough the blended file has been my favorite one so far out of all the ones I've used, but I'm generally not only looking for the "best" player and prefer getting a mix of performance and potential.
On another note I notice your website now comes with a red warning from chrome and a critical warning on another browser. Have you addressed these security issues?
Probably because if you look at your posts they are all attacking the same guy for months
I haven't seen those other insults to you, but those are most likely just as true
But again I do ask Bozo the Liar to publish the DM he said I sent him last week begging him to delete the results of my ratings file. lol. Obviously he cant because he LIED, surprise surprise, saying I had.
Of course you wouldn't because they're dms from your burners lmao
I understand what you're saying, but you also can't assume your player will be playing the same teams every time there will be different players playing depending on who the managers decide to play anyway. Also we know what is important so why are you still trying to get this to an exact science 3 years later?
You brought up your boyfriend in a post that didn't involve him. I'd say that's exactly what rent free means
Those files still seem to work the best for me at least, but I would also check players across with the new file and honestly most players available to me at the top are usually similar for the most part anyway. Appreciate the work.
Not talking about me, but you did reply to me 7 days later after you had already replied
I wasn't aware it was doing this, but its not the reason Bozo Lockjaw doesn't have Mbappe in the top 20 players and thinks Ngolo Kante is a better right winger than Yamal. Thats because his file is awful and actually says speed isn't that important.
You can use genie scout with the correct weightings and it will sill have the top 10 players for each position correct, they just might be in the wrong order. But hopefully you can use your own eyes, and brain if its there, to see who might turn out to be the best.
Rent free