How do you get 18x recovery? Do You paste a schedule with recovery unitson to already planned recovery? By the way - Stupid AI tries to change your training from time to time but quite often - do You have any way to deal with it?
Interesting . "My" trainning was default training or rest/speed training or mixed - depends on year. I'm certain I'm right but really don't know how it works - definitely it's not so simple and that's what I knew. Maybe it concerns newgens, maybe Gibraltar is somehow british. On the other side, from my experience, You sholdnt reach CA 182 in such a weak league as Gibraltarian (Vanarama or anything similar).
Second thing that bothers me in Your simulation is this great jump of Gibraltar from 202 to 152 in 4 years. Because I was a coach of Liechtenstein too (and we know how awfully stupid coach is FM AI), won most matches (nearly all with better (as for ranking) some with much, much better opponents), drawed the rest (ok, lost to England twice and to Macedonia once), arranged all possible frendlies (and won all of them) and jumped (4 years too from 200_and_sth) only to 130 or sth like this
They were north korean BUT played in Algerian league which is not bad, so could get much better CA than in FC Pyongjang . These north korean players with PA 170 are strange - don't You think?
And it's not a hypothesis. I played with FC Vaduz, had very good training utilities, saw PA of youngsters (up to 140, with sufficient prof and determination) and saw their CA after years of training : all <82 . What's more I bought Liechtensteiner 18 y.o. youngster who was newgen in a swiss elite club (PA 130, prof 18, ambition 18, determination 19) with CA 97 after two years of training in Switzerland and it was much more than every young player in Vaduz (though some of mine were regular players of the first team of top level league!! and he of course was not) . After one year in my club he was still 97 , and in that time I had best training utilities and coaches in swiss superleague.
Eddie said: 2 PA defines the ceiling — not the pace or the direction Expand
Worth saying that the ceiling is defined by country and league too. For example If You played as chinese club You could buy a high-PA chinese newgen generated somewhere else - or even could be lucky and get one, don't know if it's possible - but he will not progress in Your chinese club over a preset limit (about 70?). And same: if You played as Liechtensteiner club, You would get decent (but not great) newgens because You play in a swiss league but they dont cross 80 CA in Liechtenstein until they have second nationality (not sure here). You can loan players to Swiss club to get better CA it will not lower after return. Or wait until Liechtenstein/China/Andorra/sth else get better country rating after many succesful seasons.
GeorgeFloydOverdosed said: DL/DR - (...) work 6 DM - (...) work 6 AML/AMR - (...) work 6 ST - (...) work 6 Expand I think it was HarvestGreen22, who proposed, after testing , not to accept field players under 7 work rate because of fatal negative impact. This attributes in italics for these positions (presume the rest are ok too) will be actually nearly impossible to find outside the editor or top stars, I'm afraid. And with such unreal demandings You still didn't get jumping for ST and only 13 pac/acc and 12 for DC?
I mean - if all that players do is rest and speed training how do You get good goalkeepers, appropriate for a world cup? Do they get sufficient attributes just from playing? Acceleration is not enough for GK. You need agility . And maybe secondly reflex and aerial reach . And 1 on 1 and handling as third. I talk about FM24 , but dont see the difference with FM26.
GeorgeFloydOverdosed said: If I search in genie scout for players >140 PA w/ det 10< I get 472 players, 598 for pro 10<. So I still think it's clear if you had to choose one to search for, it would be high professionalism. Expand
Check how many do you have newgens/players with det<5 and then how many with prof<5 - then we can talk - btw 9/10 are medium values - of course if tests are not only editor generated theory. And not only PA>140 because this filter information is nothing. Especially if applied to newgens.
harvestgreen22 said: I used "full rest training", and several years later, the players were all at about 20 Pace and 20 Acceleration. (...) The result was great: the game started in 2023. Win the UEFA Champions League titles in 2026,2027,2028,2029 and 2030. The champion of the 2030 World Cup Expand Nice, but what about goalkeepers?
GeorgeFloydOverdosed said: Hard to say if it's better, the results are so close it could be just statistical noise Expand If it was only one try for each schedule I wouldn't bother results so much but: - seems strange, that 5 sessions a week gave 2.5x more injuries then 4 sessions a week - aerial defence has no effect on jumping reach, aerial reach nor heading. But no absurd or strange bug in this game will astonish me.
Jolt said: Since you can min-max players attribute development in your club, and you can't while they are on loan, you should generally only loan someone once playing time is crucial to keep developing (and match/league reputation is crucial to develop the player) to offset your optimized training.
And that is 24+ aged players, IIRC. Expand
If You keep players 24+, who dont play in your first team, You do something wrong. Actually if a player 20+ doesn't play in a league adequate to his skill, his progress is weak-or-none-or-negative. But it's really hard to find him a club giving game time at a good level. Unless You have really great reputation - in that situation You have a long queue for Your youngsters.
And I would never ever let a player 18- to go to AI club. Especially if he has a high PA.
Yarema said: The key is to keep players on month to month contracts when they expire in the summer, and as you find replacements only then release them. Same goes for signing free agents which are significantly cheaper closer to deadline day. Expand Sure, but why loanies? You will find much better free agents. And what's more You can easily test them all and I don't know how to scout all loanies to choose the best one (who maybe is still not so good).
But they just dont want to loan. Except for players who are weak for a league they are to loan.
And that's because player's progress on loan in lower leagues (not the lowest ones but just leagues in which these youngsters would be good) is drastically capped by SI in FM24 - loaning is just useless for a player's owner.
I wonder how you can wait without any transfer moves to the very last moment. If there is no player for a position you need you will stay without an important player. It's better to find a free agent: there are loads of them, some are quite good and nearly all of them ready to be tested.
Edit: Of cource except if you take it as a kind of sport - something that is not very effective but just nice as a challenge.
MeanOnSunday said: Doesn’t make sense to worry about it. Sign the best free agents and loans you can get at the start of each year. No young player is ever going to progress enough from training to get into your team, or to stay with the team as you get promoted. Expand In FM24 loaning is destroyed by SI and nearly unusable. For both sides (!). But actually free agents would be enough.
btw @Panneton0 if you read this thread You wouldnt ask this stupid (in this place) question.
GeorgeFloydOverdosed said: I may be mistaken but I don't think you can train player position to 20, it can be 'natural' but it will still be 18. Expand You can - tested many times. Especially at youngsters and with close positions. Of course it depends on versatility hidden attribute.
In theory professionalism is better - somebody on yt tested that there is no chance to make a good player with low prof. and sometimes it happens when a determination is low. But irl players with really low profess. are very, very few and very, very far between in FM base and in newgen. Balotelli is a lonely knight. And low determination you can see quite often
GeorgeFloydOverdosed said: 1. It doesn't matter much what player you sign, because even a low PA 8 pace/acc player can still become a beast with HarvestGreen22's training regimes. 2. What will matter is training progress rate. So sign young players with at least decent professionalism and give them 15-30 matches/season or loan them out. 3. If you want extra performance and/or more rounded players, sign players with mid/high mentals/technicals to begin with. These mostly stagnate or drop with HarvestGreen22 training.
5. Sign 'natural' (20) position players only. They have the equivalent of a starting +2 pace advantage over 'accomplished' (18) players, and 18 cannot even be later trained to 20. 6. Try to sign or train up players in line with the ~140 PA ideal attribute templates if really want to optimize things. 7. Avoid dirty players. Worry less about consistency, injury proneness, set pieces. Get a captain GK. (...) , something as low and simple as 8 pace/acc min can be enough to separate the wheat from the chaff, Expand 1. As far as I can see good physical progress can be observed at u19 players. If You buy 20 yo player with pace/acc 8 You lose your money. What's more if You have money to buy 140 PA young players there's no need to risk with very slow (speed 8) 18-20 yo players (BTW if you don't cheat with GS You don't know CA/PA ) 2. I would say determination is in a way more important because I dont remember players with professionalism 6-7, and not talking about less (I always try to search minimum in my teams for my information) but determination 2-3 is quite often in lower leagues - and drastically slower youngster progress - there is a hope for such a player but if you are not desperate dont risk with him. 5. You can change natural position and reach a new one to level 20 . Especially if You have a good newgen playing as CB with aerial reach ~9 you should do it. Apart from everything else aerial coaching doesnt work good. 6. If (IF!) You have money - why not. 7. Avoid players with low mental - concentration, compassion, determination have a great impact and are really hard to improve. From my experience GK with low consistency is a fail. Injury proneness IS important if You dont have good subs - on the other hand a game is buggy and player with this attribute 5 can have (in 4 years time) more injuries then the one with 15 - but statistically it is important, though You dont see these numbers without GS.
And maybe I'm wrong , but I have an impression that in FM24 loaning above-average young players to lower leagues doesnt work very good because their progress is capped by the league level.
Sanfierro said: And honestly, I’m tired of seeing people like you in every FM community deliberately missing the main point just to defend the game out of pure fanboyism. So, I want to respond properly.
[Hate this bombastic style] Expand Actually a great part of video games has a set of meta attributes making most of game concepts worthless, nobody blames them for that, and I mean top games with universal acclaim, FM24 is not the only one here, so just deal with it instead of complaining.
CryosFeron said: ... now knowing that I just need pace/accelration and use this "plastic" lifeless training plan... Expand Actually a great part of video games has a set of meta attributes making most of game concepts worthless, nobody blames them for that, and I mean top games with universal acclaim, FM24 is not the only one here, so just deal with it instead of complaining. By the way we have the same trend in real life where players are more and more phycical.
I don't know GS procedures but both have level 20 for two positions and maybe one player has CA calculated for AMRL and the second one for ST - in such case results will be different.
By the way - Stupid AI tries to change your training from time to time but quite often - do You have any way to deal with it?
I'm certain I'm right but really don't know how it works - definitely it's not so simple and that's what I knew. Maybe it concerns newgens, maybe Gibraltar is somehow british. On the other side, from my experience, You sholdnt reach CA 182 in such a weak league as Gibraltarian (Vanarama or anything similar).
Second thing that bothers me in Your simulation is this great jump of Gibraltar from 202 to 152 in 4 years. Because I was a coach of Liechtenstein too (and we know how awfully stupid coach is FM AI), won most matches (nearly all with better (as for ranking) some with much, much better opponents), drawed the rest (ok, lost to England twice and to Macedonia once), arranged all possible frendlies (and won all of them) and jumped (4 years too from 200_and_sth) only to 130 or sth like this
And it's not a hypothesis.
I played with FC Vaduz, had very good training utilities, saw PA of youngsters (up to 140, with sufficient prof and determination) and saw their CA after years of training : all <82 . What's more I bought Liechtensteiner 18 y.o. youngster who was newgen in a swiss elite club (PA 130, prof 18, ambition 18, determination 19) with CA 97 after two years of training in Switzerland and it was much more than every young player in Vaduz (though some of mine were regular players of the first team of top level league!! and he of course was not) . After one year in my club he was still 97 , and in that time I had best training utilities and coaches in swiss superleague.
This game is like driving a tramway
Worth saying that the ceiling is defined by country and league too. For example If You played as chinese club You could buy a high-PA chinese newgen generated somewhere else - or even could be lucky and get one, don't know if it's possible - but he will not progress in Your chinese club over a preset limit (about 70?). And same: if You played as Liechtensteiner club, You would get decent (but not great) newgens because You play in a swiss league but they dont cross 80 CA in Liechtenstein until they have second nationality (not sure here). You can loan players to Swiss club to get better CA it will not lower after return. Or wait until Liechtenstein/China/Andorra/sth else get better country rating after many succesful seasons.
DM - (...) work 6
AML/AMR - (...) work 6
ST - (...) work 6
I think it was HarvestGreen22, who proposed, after testing , not to accept field players under 7 work rate because of fatal negative impact. This attributes in italics for these positions (presume the rest are ok too) will be actually nearly impossible to find outside the editor or top stars, I'm afraid. And with such unreal demandings You still didn't get jumping for ST and only 13 pac/acc and 12 for DC?
Acceleration is not enough for GK.
You need agility . And maybe secondly reflex and aerial reach . And 1 on 1 and handling as third.
I talk about FM24 , but dont see the difference with FM26.
Check how many do you have newgens/players with det<5 and then how many with prof<5 - then we can talk - btw 9/10 are medium values - of course if tests are not only editor generated theory. And not only PA>140 because this filter information is nothing. Especially if applied to newgens.
Nice, but what about goalkeepers?
If it was only one try for each schedule I wouldn't bother results so much but:
- seems strange, that 5 sessions a week gave 2.5x more injuries then 4 sessions a week
- aerial defence has no effect on jumping reach, aerial reach nor heading. But no absurd or strange bug in this game will astonish me.
And that is 24+ aged players, IIRC.
If You keep players 24+, who dont play in your first team, You do something wrong.
Actually if a player 20+ doesn't play in a league adequate to his skill, his progress is weak-or-none-or-negative. But it's really hard to find him a club giving game time at a good level. Unless You have really great reputation - in that situation You have a long queue for Your youngsters.
And I would never ever let a player 18- to go to AI club. Especially if he has a high PA.
Sure, but why loanies? You will find much better free agents.
And what's more You can easily test them all and I don't know how to scout all loanies to choose the best one (who maybe is still not so good).
And that's because player's progress on loan in lower leagues (not the lowest ones but just leagues in which these youngsters would be good) is drastically capped by SI in FM24 - loaning is just useless for a player's owner.
I wonder how you can wait without any transfer moves to the very last moment. If there is no player for a position you need you will stay without an important player. It's better to find a free agent: there are loads of them, some are quite good and nearly all of them ready to be tested.
Edit: Of cource except if you take it as a kind of sport - something that is not very effective but just nice as a challenge.
In FM24 loaning is destroyed by SI and nearly unusable. For both sides (!). But actually free agents would be enough.
btw @Panneton0 if you read this thread You wouldnt ask this stupid (in this place) question.
You can - tested many times. Especially at youngsters and with close positions. Of course it depends on versatility hidden attribute.
In theory professionalism is better - somebody on yt tested that there is no chance to make a good player with low prof. and sometimes it happens when a determination is low. But irl players with really low profess. are very, very few and very, very far between in FM base and in newgen. Balotelli is a lonely knight. And low determination you can see quite often
2. What will matter is training progress rate. So sign young players with at least decent professionalism and give them 15-30 matches/season or loan them out.
3. If you want extra performance and/or more rounded players, sign players with mid/high mentals/technicals to begin with. These mostly stagnate or drop with HarvestGreen22 training.
5. Sign 'natural' (20) position players only. They have the equivalent of a starting +2 pace advantage over 'accomplished' (18) players, and 18 cannot even be later trained to 20.
6. Try to sign or train up players in line with the ~140 PA ideal attribute templates if really want to optimize things.
7. Avoid dirty players. Worry less about consistency, injury proneness, set pieces. Get a captain GK.
(...)
, something as low and simple as 8 pace/acc min can be enough to separate the wheat from the chaff,
1. As far as I can see good physical progress can be observed at u19 players. If You buy 20 yo player with pace/acc 8 You lose your money.
What's more if You have money to buy 140 PA young players there's no need to risk with very slow (speed 8) 18-20 yo players (BTW if you don't cheat with GS You don't know CA/PA
2. I would say determination is in a way more important because I dont remember players with professionalism 6-7, and not talking about less (I always try to search minimum in my teams for my information) but determination 2-3 is quite often in lower leagues - and drastically slower youngster progress - there is a hope for such a player but if you are not desperate dont risk with him.
5. You can change natural position and reach a new one to level 20 . Especially if You have a good newgen playing as CB with aerial reach ~9 you should do it. Apart from everything else aerial coaching doesnt work good.
6. If (IF!) You have money - why not.
7. Avoid players with low mental - concentration, compassion, determination have a great impact and are really hard to improve. From my experience GK with low consistency is a fail. Injury proneness IS important if You dont have good subs - on the other hand a game is buggy and player with this attribute 5 can have (in 4 years time) more injuries then the one with 15 - but statistically it is important, though You dont see these numbers without GS.
And maybe I'm wrong , but I have an impression that in FM24 loaning above-average young players to lower leagues doesnt work very good because their progress is capped by the league level.
[Hate this bombastic style]
Actually a great part of video games has a set of meta attributes making most of game concepts worthless, nobody blames them for that, and I mean top games with universal acclaim, FM24 is not the only one here, so just deal with it instead of complaining.
Actually a great part of video games has a set of meta attributes making most of game concepts worthless, nobody blames them for that, and I mean top games with universal acclaim, FM24 is not the only one here, so just deal with it instead of complaining.
By the way we have the same trend in real life where players are more and more phycical.