cptdoggo said: PRO TIPS -Disable first season transfers to reduce load times even more! -Simulate 2 seasons with 2 teams (I use Netherlands and Belgium as they are kinda weak compared to the rest) with an already rated top tactic and then 2 seasons using your tactic. This should offer a wide enough picture on how well it works. Expand
Could you please upload national league save at start 2nd season ?
I am a big fan of fm series and i've been using websites like fmarena/fmbase/knaps tactic tesing etc. a lot and i realized that most of the tactic testers are not accurate.
To give an example fmarena test their tactics based on 2 teams with 160 CA but Team A has higher reputation to imitate top team and Team B with lower reputation to imitate underdog side.
1* My opinions about that is I do think that team A can actually imitate top team because of having both good players and high reputation, but in the other hand I feel like Team B is taking advantage of the simulation by implementing underdog. I think that with lower reputation it makes opposition top team to play more aggresive and left spaces behind while actually defending almost perfect for having good players and also can take advantage of the spaces left behind the defenders.
But when you look at actual gameplay on fm this style only implements for underdog teams of the top 5 league where they have already good players.
2* There are also tacitcs like void v2 (https://fm-arena.com/tactic/959-void-ver-2-0/) with a great score but when you try this tactic with teams like az alkmar, Galatasaray, Olympiacos they never give results the same way because its a complicated tactic so even if you are a subtop team of your leage with worse players than premier league the tactic will not going to work out.
OTHER TACTIC TESTING LEAGUES.
The other 3 tactic testing leagues that i know are
and same for the underdog tactics where they are testing with underdog team of premier league. Thıs way you kinda bug the simulation because you already have good players.
When you check knaps tactic testing table the tactic with the highest top team tactic is a tactic that also requaring lots of good players so when you try that tactic out with teams like beşiktaş you will fail but it will work wonderfully with teams like leverkusen/wolfsburg because they have better players.
RESULTS AND POTENTIAL IMPROVEMENTS.
As result i came to the conclusion these types of test are not very accurate and my suggestions about creating more accurate test league are;
1* Keeping the fmarena testing league as it is but adding 4 other teams with both higher and lower CA/Reputation
To give an example is
TEAM A CA:190 REP: 10000 TEAM B CA:175 REP: 9000 TEAM C CA:150 REP: 7000 TEAM D CA:135 REP: 5000 TEAM E CA:110 REP: 3000 TEAM F CA:90 REP: 1000
and fill up the league with teams that has CA from 190 to 90 so we can see how can they do not only against elite teams but with the underdog teams too.
this way i feel like the underdog teams can show ingenuity of the tactics with bad players. And you can make a tactic testing results log as a results from team a-b-c-d-e-f so people can choose if they want a top team tactic or underdog tactic. (these numbers are totally random. I wrote them just to give an idea)
2* My second tought is to create 3 leagues with the CA's of
180-145 145-110 110-80
So after having 3 leagues in total we can choose 3 teams (top/mid/underdog) and we can be able to test the tactic both the good players and the bad players. Thıs will give us a more accurate results in tactic table. This way we can see that The top team tactics are only for elite teams or the top teams of the league in general.
If you made up this far thank you for reading it. These are all my ideas about the tactic testing systems. If there is anything you want to criticise or add to make the ideas better put your toughts in comments.
Thanks Expand
That's a good idea I use Zaz blue3.0 , my kids dominate in league but can't get a win in Europa. I want to see fm-arena test with team low rep low ca like you said. but im not sure i cant get a good tactic from knap/fmbase test league but i can get the best tactic like zazblue/phoenix at fm-arena. lol
Hi zippo
what is the difference between 2 table ?
i wanna know if real underdog+good tactic VS strong team in EUROPE
-Disable first season transfers to reduce load times even more!
-Simulate 2 seasons with 2 teams (I use Netherlands and Belgium as they are kinda weak compared to the rest) with an already rated top tactic and then 2 seasons using your tactic. This should offer a wide enough picture on how well it works.
Could you please upload national league save at start 2nd season ?
Tactic by knap.
Please test this tactic
feel like DIABLO in CM4.
all of this only use your tactic.
I am a big fan of fm series and i've been using websites like fmarena/fmbase/knaps tactic tesing etc. a lot and i realized that most of the tactic testers are not accurate.
To give an example fmarena test their tactics based on 2 teams with 160 CA but Team A has higher reputation to imitate top team and Team B with lower reputation to imitate underdog side.
1* My opinions about that is I do think that team A can actually imitate top team because of having both good players and high reputation, but in the other hand I feel like Team B is taking advantage of the simulation by implementing underdog. I think that with lower reputation it makes opposition top team to play more aggresive and left spaces behind while actually defending almost perfect for having good players and also can take advantage of the spaces left behind the defenders.
But when you look at actual gameplay on fm this style only implements for underdog teams of the top 5 league where they have already good players.
2* There are also tacitcs like void v2 (https://fm-arena.com/tactic/959-void-ver-2-0/) with a great score but when you try this tactic with teams like az alkmar, Galatasaray, Olympiacos they never give results the same way because its a complicated tactic so even if you are a subtop team of your leage with worse players than premier league the tactic will not going to work out.
OTHER TACTIC TESTING LEAGUES.
The other 3 tactic testing leagues that i know are
fmbase (https://fm-base.co.uk/)
knap (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hGvdjZyrowqiMrDh9_GjVxEOpQ1AsuUk-LvwdrAIJX4/edit#gid=1791530191)
Tactic Testing Hub (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BNGRUGi-I2ZYlwYbTl148UwDAGlH__a5QGlEYjKlENU/edit#gid=1745184850)
they test the tactics almost the same way where they usually pick top/mid/underdog teams from the premier league.
To give an example (https://beta.fm-base.co.uk/fm2021_40/tactic/4114-mornon-strikerless-528447-3142)
this tactic from fmbase has the highest score for a top team. But when i plug this tactic to top teams of non top5 league its most likely to fail the test.
and same for the underdog tactics where they are testing with underdog team of premier league. Thıs way you kinda bug the simulation because you already have good players.
When you check knaps tactic testing table the tactic with the highest top team tactic is a tactic that also requaring lots of good players so when you try that tactic out with teams like beşiktaş you will fail but it will work wonderfully with teams like leverkusen/wolfsburg because they have better players.
RESULTS AND POTENTIAL IMPROVEMENTS.
As result i came to the conclusion these types of test are not very accurate and my suggestions about creating more accurate test league are;
1* Keeping the fmarena testing league as it is but adding 4 other teams with both higher and lower CA/Reputation
To give an example is
TEAM A CA:190 REP: 10000
TEAM B CA:175 REP: 9000
TEAM C CA:150 REP: 7000
TEAM D CA:135 REP: 5000
TEAM E CA:110 REP: 3000
TEAM F CA:90 REP: 1000
and fill up the league with teams that has CA from 190 to 90 so we can see how can they do not only against elite teams but with the underdog teams too.
this way i feel like the underdog teams can show ingenuity of the tactics with bad players. And you can make a tactic testing results log as a results from team a-b-c-d-e-f so people can choose if they want a top team tactic or underdog tactic.
(these numbers are totally random. I wrote them just to give an idea)
2* My second tought is to create 3 leagues with the CA's of
180-145
145-110
110-80
So after having 3 leagues in total we can choose 3 teams (top/mid/underdog) and we can be able to test the tactic both the good players and the bad players. Thıs will give us a more accurate results in tactic table. This way we can see that The top team tactics are only for elite teams or the top teams of the league in general.
If you made up this far thank you for reading it. These are all my ideas about the tactic testing systems. If there is anything you want to criticise or add to make the ideas better put your toughts in comments.
Thanks
That's a good idea
I use Zaz blue3.0 , my kids dominate in league but can't get a win in Europa.
I want to see fm-arena test with team low rep low ca like you said.
but im not sure i cant get a good tactic from knap/fmbase test league but i can get the best tactic
like zazblue/phoenix at fm-arena. lol
1st Season
2nd Season
Zaz blue 3.0 + Balanced
With this kids CA under 100