I properly have missed a thread about it, but i'm gonna ask anyway.
Does anyone have a save file for testing tactics themselves theyd be willing to share? Ideally something that is setup so you can holiday through a whole season very quickly.
I mean you can add in Specific Goalkeeper modules to your training schedule, but to me it seems mostly pointless. If you have a match practice, your GK will train the attributes of the role, and also you can do the specific training for the most important GK attributes.
Another thing i'd like to mention, is this combination of traits Adama has. They are basically perfect for getting him to just dribble down the line. I've lost count now how many times i've seen him stand just inside the opponents half, wait for the ball into feet, and just turning on the turbo as soon as he gets the ball. Just as i write this he just assisted a goal after running 40 meters with the ball against Chelsea.
ZaZ said: I made a quick test using Spring (lower WBs) and Autumn (higher AWBs), and the results confirm what I said before. When wingbacks are more advanced, players dribble less because they have a passing option closer to them.
Two players with most dribbles per 90 minutes Autumn (AWB): 3.67 and 3.29 Spring (WB lower): 6.26 and 4.71
Autumn / Spring
Those results were with Burnley, so you should expect more dribbles with a better team. Expand
It's funny i decided to try the tactic i've been using with Arsenal at West Ham because i wanted to see Adama. He's basically turned into Gareth Bale.
So the worse teams less dribbles might be not always be true. The thing i'm noticing is because i'm a lesser team, we are more often given space to work with.
ZaZ said: Looking at the input from Julius, it might be that players dribble more when winger and wingbacks are further apart from each other. I guess the problem is that AWBs used in your tactic play too close to IFs, promoting passes instead of dribbles. I will test here a tactic with AWB vs a similar one with WB in the back to see if there is a huge difference. Expand
Make sense in my head aswell. In terms of getting more from a good dribbler. If you have a good dribbler do you want more players close congesting his space? Or do you want him to have space to dribble in. Along with the player in the game not recognising a good passing option so decides to dribble instead.
CBP87 said: I've tried with winger too, sorry I don't want it to come across that I am dismissing what you saying because I genuinely am not. I looked at Brighton and Chelsea's formation and they play a 4231, Mitoma playing on the left as a winger and Neto on the right as a winger, both of them playing on the side of their weakest foot and both have pretty poor weak foots. On watching them though, they weren't cutting inside at all which you would probably expect due to them being on the wrong foot side Expand
I've had some success. So I've straight up nabbed Maresca's formation, not that it's revolutionary. Here are the instructions.
Here are the results after 19 games in the league.
One instruction that seemed to instantly improve the dribbles per 90 numbers, was removing the progress play instruction. When i've had it on balanced it produces more dribbles per 90 than both focus flanks and focus middle did.
CBP87 said: I've tried with winger too, sorry I don't want it to come across that I am dismissing what you saying because I genuinely am not. I looked at Brighton and Chelsea's formation and they play a 4231, Mitoma playing on the left as a winger and Neto on the right as a winger, both of them playing on the side of their weakest foot and both have pretty poor weak foots. On watching them though, they weren't cutting inside at all which you would probably expect due to them being on the wrong foot side Expand
Doesn't sound unreasonable to me that they don't cut inside when they play as wingers, even with the opposite foot side. Also not dismissing me at all, seems like you see the same as i do with wingers.
CBP87 said: I've added that but unfortunately it didn't help when testing. Although its a improvement what you've got, I am still seeing players averaging over 10 dribbles per game. I've watched full games and I literally for the life of me figure out what Mitoma is doing different to Doku. Both are hugging the line, both are pretty much isolated, but Doku passes and Mitoma runs Expand
I know we can see the roles the AI manager uses, is there a way to see instructions somehow? The only thing i can think of is the ingame commentary where you might be able to decipher some instructions.
At least from the season i've run here, every single player in the premier league that finished with a higher dribbles/90 than Martinelli and Madueke were playing as a winger.
So i've done a little experimenting trying to get more dribbles per 90. Here's the tactic nothing special.
First of all i tried to have my players as the role wingers to emphasize the wide positioning. Below are the player instructions.
The idea is keep them wide. Make fewer runs because i want the ball in feet so they can make their dribbles, and fewer risks because i want them to focus on attempting dribbles not passes. Byline to try and get that knock past and just run towards the byline. Also played left footed on the left and right footed on the right to encourage the down the line dribbles. Another thing to keep in mind is, most tactics i see have underlaps on both sides, i've found underlaps again encourages the wide player to pass, which is what i didn't want, so i've on purpose not had that instruction on.
Here's the numbers through 10 games:
Madueke plays on the left and Martinelli on the right. Nwaneri has been subbed on for Madueke.
Here's an example of what i at least think it is you wanted to happen. I replied on the SI forum aswell, there's a GIF of what i assume you are looking for.
dancamp said: Is this the schedule I can use literally every single week across all of my youth and main teams if I'm not trying to 100% min-max and just want to set it and forget it? Like clearly I want to min-max a bit because I'm here but I don't want to have to worry about travel days or schedule tweaks when I have 2 home vs. 1 home and 1 away game, etc. Expand
For the most part yes. The only issue with youth teams specifically is, if you have the setting of matchdays being wednesdays and saturdays, for some reason some youth teams still have games on other days, primarily sundays. I still use it as set and forget, and haven't had any issues for my youth teams, just be aware that it can occure that the games are scheduled on other days-
I agree training definitely needs an update. However it's honestly hard to believe they will ever really bother. Most people will buy the game anyway, and as long as they change something in the tactics making every year, enough people will get the next version of the game.
At this point there's so many things i'd like to see in the training part of the game. The issue also just could be if they make that part of the game too complicated, it becomes hard for new players to get into. Already seems to me that they are making the game more simple and easier to play, not more fun or interesting in my opinion.
lopesmane08 said: How do I manage the schedule after an away day, since I can't do 3x rest, should I put it on the day after travel? And what do I put on the travel day? and for individual training can I put it on every player (outfield), or is there an age limit to individual training. Expand
That's why the schedule i use always looks like this: It's lazy as fuck, however it makes sure i get at least 1 superrest per week.
Personally i only really use the opposition instructions to help with making a pressing trap. My favorite way to do it, is to show left sided defenders onto their right, and right sided defenders onto their left. Then i have tight marking on all the central midfielders, so the only real passing option is back the centre backs. This is how i set it up mostly.
Combining this with some man marking assignments it's impressive how much you can stifle the opponents build up.
Faker said: with this, theres zero set piece training. Does it matter? Expand
Unless you want your players set piece attributes to improve there's no reason to have it there imo. But yes, that is the schedule i use. It's set up to be a set and forget so you can get a whole season done without having do anything the rest of the season. Not optimal in terms of rest, but my lazy ass prefers it this way.
Dukkai said: I've been following this thread for a while now and I like the results I'm getting with my youngsters so far.
One question, though - Once they turn 18-19, is it better for their development to loan them out (where they will have a "non-optimal" training plan but first-team experience) or keep them in the club on one of these plans but with little to none first team experience? Expand
For me it depends on the current ability mostly, if theyre nearly first team quality i just bring them into the first team. If they are not and they have good enough attributes for what my priotities are, then they can go on loan. If they don't have let's say 16/16 for pace and acc i just keep them, because then i'd rather they get more there, than get to their potential faster from the regular game time theyd get on loan.
This is just how i do it. In no way is it necessarily the best.
Does anyone have a save file for testing tactics themselves theyd be willing to share? Ideally something that is setup so you can holiday through a whole season very quickly.
Thanks in advance
Here is the goal
https://fm-arena.com/thread/19823-wulbol/
Two players with most dribbles per 90 minutes
Autumn (AWB): 3.67 and 3.29
Spring (WB lower): 6.26 and 4.71
Autumn / Spring
Those results were with Burnley, so you should expect more dribbles with a better team.
It's funny i decided to try the tactic i've been using with Arsenal at West Ham because i wanted to see Adama. He's basically turned into Gareth Bale.
So the worse teams less dribbles might be not always be true. The thing i'm noticing is because i'm a lesser team, we are more often given space to work with.
The same that i showed earlier
Make sense in my head aswell. In terms of getting more from a good dribbler. If you have a good dribbler do you want more players close congesting his space? Or do you want him to have space to dribble in. Along with the player in the game not recognising a good passing option so decides to dribble instead.
I've had some success. So I've straight up nabbed Maresca's formation, not that it's revolutionary.
Here are the instructions.
Here are the results after 19 games in the league.
One instruction that seemed to instantly improve the dribbles per 90 numbers, was removing the progress play instruction. When i've had it on balanced it produces more dribbles per 90 than both focus flanks and focus middle did.
Doesn't sound unreasonable to me that they don't cut inside when they play as wingers, even with the opposite foot side. Also not dismissing me at all, seems like you see the same as i do with wingers.
I know we can see the roles the AI manager uses, is there a way to see instructions somehow? The only thing i can think of is the ingame commentary where you might be able to decipher some instructions.
At least from the season i've run here, every single player in the premier league that finished with a higher dribbles/90 than Martinelli and Madueke were playing as a winger.
First of all i tried to have my players as the role wingers to emphasize the wide positioning.
Below are the player instructions.
The idea is keep them wide. Make fewer runs because i want the ball in feet so they can make their dribbles, and fewer risks because i want them to focus on attempting dribbles not passes. Byline to try and get that knock past and just run towards the byline. Also played left footed on the left and right footed on the right to encourage the down the line dribbles.
Another thing to keep in mind is, most tactics i see have underlaps on both sides, i've found underlaps again encourages the wide player to pass, which is what i didn't want, so i've on purpose not had that instruction on.
Here's the numbers through 10 games:
Madueke plays on the left and Martinelli on the right. Nwaneri has been subbed on for Madueke.
Here's an example of what i at least think it is you wanted to happen.
I replied on the SI forum aswell, there's a GIF of what i assume you are looking for.
For the most part yes. The only issue with youth teams specifically is, if you have the setting of matchdays being wednesdays and saturdays, for some reason some youth teams still have games on other days, primarily sundays. I still use it as set and forget, and haven't had any issues for my youth teams, just be aware that it can occure that the games are scheduled on other days-
At this point there's so many things i'd like to see in the training part of the game. The issue also just could be if they make that part of the game too complicated, it becomes hard for new players to get into. Already seems to me that they are making the game more simple and easier to play, not more fun or interesting in my opinion.
That's why the schedule i use always looks like this:
It's lazy as fuck, however it makes sure i get at least 1 superrest per week.
This is how i set it up mostly.
Combining this with some man marking assignments it's impressive how much you can stifle the opponents build up.
Unless you want your players set piece attributes to improve there's no reason to have it there imo. But yes, that is the schedule i use. It's set up to be a set and forget so you can get a whole season done without having do anything the rest of the season. Not optimal in terms of rest, but my lazy ass prefers it this way.
One question, though - Once they turn 18-19, is it better for their development to loan them out (where they will have a "non-optimal" training plan but first-team experience) or keep them in the club on one of these plans but with little to none first team experience?
For me it depends on the current ability mostly, if theyre nearly first team quality i just bring them into the first team. If they are not and they have good enough attributes for what my priotities are, then they can go on loan. If they don't have let's say 16/16 for pace and acc i just keep them, because then i'd rather they get more there, than get to their potential faster from the regular game time theyd get on loan.
This is just how i do it. In no way is it necessarily the best.