ZaZ said: I don't have the program to freeze stats, and I don't know what custom league they use here. Expand
The number of matches you test for isn't the only what's important but how you test isn't less or I'd say it's even more important.
If during a testing you leave picking the team to your assistant manager like most people do when they test tactics then you really can't get anything useful from such tests because even the best assistant manager is poor in picking the team for many tactics and he's also poor at rotating the team. For instance, I've tested it many times and found that even the best assistant manager is very poor for picking the team for strikerless tactics. Also, I've been noticing that very often the assistant manager picks much better players for some tactic than for other tactics and that makes the difference not the tactic quality.
Gunster said: Thanks! Yeah idk why but for me, this feels way more leaky in the back compared to both Phoenix 4.0 and AfterLife. I definitely lack pace to use it I think but it's less of an issue with the other tactics.
Scoring goals like a madman though but I've never given up so many goals before lol Expand
You just was unlucky because there's really no difference between this tactic and Phoenix 4.0 and both tactics will do great if you follow this table - https://fm-arena.com/table/9-important-attributes/
Bubbles said: The tatic wasn´t performing as hoped in the bigger leagues, so i´m currently working on af solution for that. At the moment it seems that a few changes has made wonders. First test with Juventus defintely went well, now I´m waiting on a test with Liverpool Expand
Why not to try the tactic with a mid table team to see its overachieving capability? Liverpool and Juventus are able to win the league even with a poor tactic...
crazyfmguy93 said: media prediction is 20. Because the team have nothing at the begining. But when I take over, I have list for transfer. Great CA and positon rating. and after the transfers and loans, team become an average team for its league Expand
when you strengthen a team that is predicted to finish 20th then at the best you can improve the prediction to 12th - 15th but in most cases it will be even less than that... btw, you can always find your media prediction in the media prediction table.
crazyfmguy93 said: So thank you for a your great reply. It will help to people who start to play this game yesterday... not for me sorry. Expand
Sorry but for me any person that makes a conclusion about anything in this game only after 6 matches played can be tagged as "started playing this game yesterday".
crazyfmguy93 said: In my case it does not work for me. I started two different career with same team. In first try, we lost everything In second one, in the first 6 matches, 4 losses and 2 wins. maybe it is not suitable for lower leagues. I have good transfers and staff. but after sixth match I was so angry to my team. We have spaces in defence. Rivals have comfort for shoots. And all we do is, send ball to opponents' defenders.
I will try this tactic with another team. Expand
FM is a football simulation game so it's supposed to produce somewhat realistic result. Even the most effective tactics in FM don't give you 100% win rate. Using the most effective tactics in FM only guarantees that you overachieve with your team which means in your case when you play with Karabükspor(media prediction is 20th) then you can expect to finish somewhere above the mid table at the end of the season and even if at the begging of the season you got 4 loses in a row or 10 loses in a row then you still can finish above the mid table or even win the league and if you can't stand seeing your team losing then probably, FM is a wrong game for you... try playing FIFA or PES only there you can win every match with Karabükspor
SI never gives any "official numbers" on that subject but you can get a clue about the numbers by changing the values in the pre-game editor or in the in-game editor.
If the numbers in the table is CA cost of the attributes then it's incorrect but if it's something different then I don't know.
ZaZ said: That's the weight, not the cost in CA. The cost in CA has a formula that uses those weights. For example, some players have 0 CA even with lots of fives and sixes. That means it only starts counting after some minimum. I don't know the formula exactly, so I appreciate if someone can share it. Expand
ZaZ said: P.S.: Stay on feet also performed worse. However, I will keep one tactic with stay on feet and waste time often to use when the match is already decided. Expand
That isn't surprising, obviously, "Hard Tackling" is more effective but when you already have a solid lead you don't need it.
ZaZ said: I said shape meaning team instructions. I plan to keep the same formation and roles than Blue 2.0. However, I don't think I will be able to bring it to green while achieving close to 100 points in the league with Manchester City, as well as good result with Fulham. Expand
but it should not be as effective as Blue 2.0, you need this tactic when you already have a solid lead in a match and you just want to save the Physical Conditions of your players and "kill" the game.
ZaZ said: when I figure the best shape for it. Expand
Why do you need using a different shape? Use the same shape as Blue 2.0 because it's the best shape at the moment, just bring the intensity level into the "green" zone.
The number of matches you test for isn't the only what's important but how you test isn't less or I'd say it's even more important.
If during a testing you leave picking the team to your assistant manager like most people do when they test tactics then you really can't get anything useful from such tests because even the best assistant manager is poor in picking the team for many tactics and he's also poor at rotating the team. For instance, I've tested it many times and found that even the best assistant manager is very poor for picking the team for strikerless tactics. Also, I've been noticing that very often the assistant manager picks much better players for some tactic than for other tactics and that makes the difference not the tactic quality.
I don't agree with that because I find strikerless tactics play more realistic football than any other tactics in FM21.
I doesn't matter how it looks on paper more important how it plays.
Scoring goals like a madman though but I've never given up so many goals before lol
You just was unlucky because there's really no difference between this tactic and Phoenix 4.0 and both tactics will do great if you follow this table - https://fm-arena.com/table/9-important-attributes/
I've tried v2.0 with Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund and had a great result with both teams.
@Zealot, thank you for the tactic.
Bayern Munich
Borussia Dortmund
Why not to try the tactic with a mid table team to see its overachieving capability? Liverpool and Juventus are able to win the league even with a poor tactic...
when you strengthen a team that is predicted to finish 20th then at the best you can improve the prediction to 12th - 15th but in most cases it will be even less than that... btw, you can always find your media prediction in the media prediction table.
crazyfmguy93 said: So thank you for a your great reply. It will help to people who start to play this game yesterday... not for me sorry.
Sorry but for me any person that makes a conclusion about anything in this game only after 6 matches played can be tagged as "started playing this game yesterday".
I will try this tactic with another team.
FM is a football simulation game so it's supposed to produce somewhat realistic result. Even the most effective tactics in FM don't give you 100% win rate. Using the most effective tactics in FM only guarantees that you overachieve with your team which means in your case when you play with Karabükspor(media prediction is 20th) then you can expect to finish somewhere above the mid table at the end of the season and even if at the begging of the season you got 4 loses in a row or 10 loses in a row then you still can finish above the mid table or even win the league and if you can't stand seeing your team losing then probably, FM is a wrong game for you... try playing FIFA or PES only there you can win every match with Karabükspor
I'm not an expert when it comes to set pieces, when I need good set pieces I usually take them from highly rated tactics.
Only Corners or Throw-ins makes any meaningful difference and other set pieces are irrelevant.
Ohhh... I've found it. Thanks!
An attribute with a value of 6 or less has a weight of 0, therefore a player with 6 in all attributes will have CA 0
ZaZ said: @Grimlock
SI never gives any "official numbers" on that subject but you can get a clue about the numbers by changing the values in the pre-game editor or in the in-game editor.
If the numbers in the table is CA cost of the attributes then it's incorrect but if it's something different then I don't know.
I don't know what you mean when you say "weight".
https://community.sigames.com/forums/topic/157984-attribute-weighting/
https://community.sigames.com/forums/topic/308816-current-ability-cost-of-of-attributes-position-breakdown/
Every attribute has different CA cost for different positions.
The table you posted is outdated and incorrect for FM21.
The numbers in that table are incorrect.
For example, it stays that 1 point of Acceleration and Pace cost 10CA for AMLR positions but that's not true.
Also, it stays that 1 point of Decisions costs 10CA for CD position but that's not true too.
Here's some info from Magician about how to use that tactic - https://fm-arena.com/thread/935-further-boosting-of-phoenix-v3-0-tactic-performance/
That isn't surprising, obviously, "Hard Tackling" is more effective but when you already have a solid lead you don't need it.
but it should not be as effective as Blue 2.0, you need this tactic when you already have a solid lead in a match and you just want to save the Physical Conditions of your players and "kill" the game.
Why do you need using a different shape? Use the same shape as Blue 2.0 because it's the best shape at the moment, just bring the intensity level into the "green" zone.
I ended up with using Blue 2.0 and the starting eleven below
My team won everything. Thank you.
Why not Reus? Because he is made of glass.
Thanks, pal. I'll give it a got.