White Europe said: Due to all research done by this website FM25 will be postponed untill november🤣 they need more time to re-done whole match engine, otherwise it will be Pace and Acceleration again Expand
it's not from 2024-2025, every year you can find such things like that
The fact is, for the first time since many many years, they tried to change something in the game, and... here comes problems
I really think they haven't a real team of developers, to bring quality, and FM 2025 is the photo of this bad situation
BulldozerJokic said: It just occurred to me that we can already kinda deduce the importance of stats for defensive/offensive players by looking in goals for/against Expand
I imagine a test like, 8 on DC-MDC and change on offensive side, and vice versa.
It will be the same results, but maybe more accurate.
But you're right, we can learn 90% of the stuff here.
AIK said: Finishing: +8/-1. Interesting. I was honestly thinking finishing didn't do much at all, but seems it got some value on attacking players. Expand
It's from 8 to 20, IMO it's near nothing, but it's not useless like 80% of the table
AIK said: Is it a fair assumption to say that some of the tested attributes works better for a specific category of players? Such as defensive/offensive cohorts:
Like these attributes works better for defensive minded players...: Pace (+45/-59) Work Rate (+6/-10) Concentration (+4/-8)
... and these for more offensive minded players? Acceleration (+49/-48) Dribbling (+25/-3) (quite obvious) Anticipation (+15/-10)
Obviously all attributes affects both goals for and goals against... but given acceleration scores more goals and have less impact on defense (and pace is vice verse), I'm thinking it might be a fair assumption? Expand
all is right here, if we can close some tests with Defensive, and offensive side, it will be perfect ! !
Cptbull said: Very interesting, looking forward to the final results! With this knowledge we can truly tailor-make players that will beat anything without having ridiculously high PA
I'm however still stuck on FM23 (missed out on the free FM24 on Epic Games).
Would you say that the difference between FM23 and FM24 are abysmal regarding how attributes are implemented in the game engine? Expand
Mark said: I know this is probably too big an ask, but given all the discussion on the site about the different impact on positions, I wonder if there was any chance to break the attribute tests up into 5 groupings:
DRL DC DM AMRL AMC/ST
This would have 2 players in each grouping and prove once and for all if the attributes change dramatically by position.
As I have said before, you guys do such a great job for this community and I have enormous respect for your work regardless of whether you are able to accommodate my request. Expand
I think we are at a point near this sort of test.
The work is amazing, we will see clearly how attributes works, but we need to know it position by position, i'm totally agree.
Han106 said: I mean so it doesn't matter the order of the better/worse striker? Expand
i think if you have two good striker with important attributes, it will work like a charm. If you add to this a nice group of set pieces, no matter if the better header is a striker or not, but it can add somme goals in the season
Chriswin4 said: Interesting, that's a good achievement. I think we've all been able to do something similar, but I'm looking to maximise how cheaply it can be done. Expand
The answer is always ont the same thing, you need low CA player, because the game only take in count the CA to adjust Transfer fee and salary
Chriswin4 said: I’m going to try and take a new job in my save and not spend over £5m on a player and don’t pay more than 50k per week salary. Reckon you can build a team with those rules and win the European Cup? Expand
I made it with TOULOUSE in FRANCE, EUROPA CUP, and next year, CL. 5 CL in 7 years, but without the rules here. But for 2 first years it was near that.
4000 games with 58 pts is better than 1200 games with 63 pts? Expand
I don't think... But to be honest i don't understand how we can lose 5 points, even with 2800 more matches. 1200 is already a nice amount of match, we're not on a single season. Very strange.
ZaZ said: It actually follows this kind of curve below. The peak, zero, is the exact point where it changes from "Fresh" to "Low", so the ideal is to stay in that point of balance.
Anyway, I am still collecting more data to consolidate those results, as well as checking the changes in numbers caused by playing and training. Expand
Incredible Zaz, keep this work on, always follow your good advice and vision.
it's not from 2024-2025, every year you can find such things like that
The fact is, for the first time since many many years, they tried to change something in the game, and... here comes problems
I really think they haven't a real team of developers, to bring quality, and FM 2025 is the photo of this bad situation
Are you sure it will be important
I imagine a test like, 8 on DC-MDC and change on offensive side, and vice versa.
It will be the same results, but maybe more accurate.
But you're right, we can learn 90% of the stuff here.
It's from 8 to 20, IMO it's near nothing, but it's not useless like 80% of the table
Like these attributes works better for defensive minded players...:
Pace (+45/-59)
Work Rate (+6/-10)
Concentration (+4/-8)
... and these for more offensive minded players?
Acceleration (+49/-48)
Dribbling (+25/-3) (quite obvious)
Anticipation (+15/-10)
Obviously all attributes affects both goals for and goals against... but given acceleration scores more goals and have less impact on defense (and pace is vice verse), I'm thinking it might be a fair assumption?
all is right here, if we can close some tests with Defensive, and offensive side, it will be perfect ! !
I'm however still stuck on FM23 (missed out on the free FM24 on Epic Games).
Would you say that the difference between FM23 and FM24 are abysmal regarding how attributes are implemented in the game engine?
Clearly no difference IMO.
The game is the same since many years.
DRL
DC
DM
AMRL
AMC/ST
This would have 2 players in each grouping and prove once and for all if the attributes change dramatically by position.
As I have said before, you guys do such a great job for this community and I have enormous respect for your work regardless of whether you are able to accommodate my request.
I think we are at a point near this sort of test.
The work is amazing, we will see clearly how attributes works, but we need to know it position by position, i'm totally agree.
It's time =)
i think if you have two good striker with important attributes, it will work like a charm.
If you add to this a nice group of set pieces, no matter if the better header is a striker or not, but it can add somme goals in the season
Like always, Pace, Acc, Jumping reach
We dropped that feature because the demand for game saves was low and the cost of hosting them was too high.
But we still keep all the game saves in an offline storage and I can provide them by a request.
Hey Zippo, do you think it will be possible to test hidden attributes ? I want to know if Regularity for example is so important ?
The answer is always ont the same thing, you need low CA player, because the game only take in count the CA to adjust Transfer fee and salary
I made it with TOULOUSE in FRANCE, EUROPA CUP, and next year, CL. 5 CL in 7 years, but without the rules here. But for 2 first years it was near that.
All that with my own Genie ratings.
4000 games with 58 pts is better than 1200 games with 63 pts?
I don't think... But to be honest i don't understand how we can lose 5 points, even with 2800 more matches. 1200 is already a nice amount of match, we're not on a single season. Very strange.
Anyway, I am still collecting more data to consolidate those results, as well as checking the changes in numbers caused by playing and training.
Incredible Zaz, keep this work on, always follow your good advice and vision.