Telespiza said: I play in a similar way.
To see only the players in the shortlist, you can use Ctrl+L (Load Players List) in Genie. Expand

I'll do that, I think my issue is actually finding players. How do you do it? As I said in a previous reply, I'm playing in the National League North. Attribute masking is on.

I would like to make this as realistic as possible. I don't want 100s of trial players, maybe a maximum of two each time. I dont have any scouts so I'm not really sure how to even get players to go on a shortlist

Yarema said: Well known players also have attributes revealed, although maybe a few stay with ranges.

You could try filtering by scouting knowledge, test it out a bit which level throws out the players with all attributes revealed. Expand

Thanks for the reply. I'm playing in the National League North. Attribute masking is on. I've tested with the scouting range at UK and Ireland but even clicking on Man City only the very best players have complete attributes. Most have ranges.

I would like to make this as realistic as possible. I don't want 100s of trial players, maybe a maximum of two each time. Is the only way to see the attributes of players by scouting individuals? I dont even have any scouts employed so not sure what to do

I have always played with attributes unmasked but with Meta tactics + positional attribute test results + use of GenieScout the game has become too easy and boring.

I'd like to start playing as close to real life as possible.

I'm going to still use Meta tactics as I dont have the time to invest in tactic development, already have knowledge about what is meta and potentially controversially believe there are meta tactics in real life

I will continue to use GS to evaluate players but will not view any info that is not visible in game, the only addition being a positional score for each player based on the findings of this site. I would use an excel sheet to calculate this anyway so just see GS as a way to avoid doing this manually.

My question is now having started a game with attribute masking enabled, how do I only view those players with attributes unmasked? My idea was that every player whose attributes I have unmasked would go into a shortlist and I would then view that shortlist in GS. Is this viable? Are attributes only unmasked via scouting or are there other mechanisms?

joshua said: Based on the coefficients for each position I calculated the relative importance of the top 3 attributes. If, like me you are lazy and want something easy to plug into the in-game scouting you can use this to get an idea of which top 2 or 3 attributes to look at for each position.



Here are the relative impacts for each position:
DLR (Full Backs):

Pace: 100%
Jumping: 76.8%
Acceleration: 66.7%

DC (Center Backs):

Jumping: 100%
Pace: 70.2%
Acceleration: 59.9%

WBLR (Wing Backs):

Pace: 100%
Acceleration: 96.8%
Jumping: 71.7%

DMC (Defensive Mid):

Acceleration: 100%
Anticipation: 63.4%
Stamina: 50.3%

MLR (Wide Mid):

Pace: 100%
Dribbling: 68.4%
Acceleration: 62.9%

MC (Central Mid):

Anticipation: 100%
Acceleration: 89.9%
Composure: 89.9%

AMLR (Wide Attack):

Pace: 100%
Acceleration: 83.7%
Anticipation: 64.6%

AMC (Attack Mid):

Pace: 100%
Acceleration: 97.5%
Concentration: 81.7%

STC (Striker):

Jumping: 100%
Pace: 97.8%
Acceleration: 70.5% Expand

What about GKs?

Does this information change anything about the important attributes for each position from the opening paragraph in the following post?

https://fm-arena.com/thread/14201-fm24-experiment-most-important-attributes-for-each-respecitve-positions-with-their-coefficients/page-1/

Gerrard said: It depends on your level if Elite this would be choice

Otherwise based on various tests
https://community.sports-interactive.com/forums/topic/451185-knap-fm24-and-fm23-fm22_fm-21-fm-20-fm-19-tactic-list/?do=findComment&comment=14631785 Expand

So you believe this tactic is better than your 424 which is top of the FM Arena testing league? Why do you believe that? Obviously FM Arena tests in a different way so just curious what you think

Bafici said: I didn't touch the weightings because i need to make calculations to make the best players rating %100. Like @kvasir said Haaland becomes 99% but if a player has 20 in all the important attributes his rating can past %100. After all its just a cosmetic thing. Expand

Gotcha, thanks!

kvasir said: You can fix the first issue by adjusting the weight when editing ratings — it’s in the bottom right corner of the editing ratings window. Try tweaking it to see which settings give you the best balance across positions. I have mine set to 115 for GK and 110 for all other positions, so the best players are all around or above 90%, with Haaland as the only major outlier at 99%.

As for your ST ratings showing 0%, that’s because the rating file was created by @Bafici using the Target Striker (TS) position instead of Fast Striker (FS). Just switch the layout to TS, and it should display correctly. Expand

Thanks mate!

Orion said: Please also keep in mind that coefficients where set for 'normalized' data, so players attributes in relation to average attributes in the league they are playing. Here we use 'absolute' values of the attributes. This obviously brings some uncertainty but I believe for simplification it should work. As you said we should introduce some correcting factor for the 'score'. Expand

Can you say the same thing again but pretend you are explaining it to a 5 year old?

FREVKY said: It gives you error because this view is meant for scouting -> players section. Expand

How would you filter the players? If I world scouting range, playing as Newcastle, I'll filter by age first so nobody over 30 and only players that are interested in joining me. This gives me 197,000 players which is obviously too much. I could do it by position but I still think its too many. Is there a way to filter further so im only putting the top players into your spreadsheet?

Bafici said: I made a genie scout file. Biggest difference from fmarena ratings is this is bit more realistic. Great players in real life takes higher ratings.

Ratings Expand

Thanks! On 1st glance they seem a bit unbalanced. Best GK is 78% whereas best ST is 88%. I suppose it doesnt really matter if we are just picking the best player from the list though. Also seems to be an error on the ST. Don't know if it's with me or the ratings but when looking at my own team all ST ratings are 0.00%

FREVKY said: That's what I thought, so I created pretty simple excel spreadsheet that make mass player comparison possible and easy.

Here's how it works:
First, you need to import specified views. I created two sets of these: one for your team (for squad view) and one for scouting tab - both with CA & PA hidden - and another set with CA & PA visible for those who like to spoil the fun a little bit. Download and paste them into "views" folder in your Documents (C:\Users\your_name\Documents\Sports Interactive\Football Manager 2024\views is the default path).

When you load the view, you need to select every player, so click on one player and than ctrl+a to select everyone in the team or in the scouting range. Just bear in mind the more players you select, the more time it takes, so if you're about to select over 1000 players, give it a few seconds to work.
Then, press cltr+p to "print" the selection into HTML file. Save it wherever you want, name it whatever you want.
Then, you need the spreadsheet (MS Excel file). Open it and then in the Excel go to to File->Open and select the html file with your set of players. Copy it's whole contents (ctrl+a, then ctrl+c) and paste them into my spreadsheet in the blank sheet called "IMPORT" then switch the sheet to the one called "CALCULATION" and it should automatically calculate values for every player for each position using coefficients from this thread. Additionalli I added sections with CA, PA and difference between them (it will work only when you used views with PA and CA obviously).

Of course you can use whatever filters you want on the scouting section to narrow down the amount of players to whatever you really need.

At first glance it may sound complicated a bit but it's pretty easy to use. If you find any trouble using it, I'll try to help.

Spreadsheet link: https://www.mediafire.com/file/huj2qrmavoqnd6x/meta.xlsx/file

The spreadsheet is editable so do whatever you want with it, if you find any room for improvements, go for it. Expand

I get an error message saying the 'All Players' views are not valid for the panel. Any solutions? The own team view works. I'm using own team view in squads and all players view in scouting -> shortlist

Bafici said: Maybe we can makea genie scout ratings file again based on this Expand

This would be really great!

I'm in 32/33 season. Just taking over Newcastle. Trying to find a replacement for the soon to be retired Tonali. It's an absolute graveyard for quality DMs. Same with most of the other positions

Has anyone else experienced this?

twkmax said: @Middleweight165

U18:  [Quickness]+[Match Practice]+[Attacking]+[Recovery]x7+[Double Intensity] +[Additional Focus Quickness]
B Team:  [Rest]+[Double Intensity]+[Addtional Focus Quickness]

Then move players into first team once Acc and Pace >16

First Team: [Quickness]+[Match Practice]+[Attacking]+[Recovery]x7+[Double Intensity]

Additional focus is removed so that CA growth becomes less specific to quickness and creates a more rounded player once my 16 threshold is met. Expand

Thanks! Are the rest settings all no training and double with full condition?

twkmax said: Thank you @harvestgreen22 !

Based on the data the best training strategies are either Strategy 17 (1 in the previous version) or Strategy 21 (2 in the previous version).
Atm I prefer Strategy 21.

To apply this to the game do as follows:
1. Use Plan 1 or 3 for the u18s (2 years, age 15/16-18)
2. when they age out move to B Team where you should use the opposite of what you used for u18s
3. Then when either CA high enough or Pace/Acc high enough (depends which way round you did it), move to senior squad. I stop actively training Pace/Acc when both are >16
4. When in senior squad remove Quickness additional focus

HOWEVER, I have some questions:

In the image I compare the growth patterns for the 2 different strategies (Note: Strat 1=Strat 17, and Strat 2=Strat 21, they just have different starting parameters).
1. When comparing Strat 1 vs Strat 2 something is wrong with your data @harvestgreen22 . Strat 2 has a much higher final CA, but overall has lower attributes, even when taking attribute weighting into account.
2. Additionally, when comparing Strat 17 vs Strat 21, Strat 17 appears to be slightly better. Which makes me question the CA values in the initial Strat 1 vs Strat 2 test even more.

Thanks again, @harvestgreen22 . Hopefully this is useful for everyone. Expand

@twkmax Can you confirm this is what you do?

Up until U18 - [Rest]+[Double Intensity]+[Addtional Focus Quickness]
18 and over - [Quickness]+[Match Practice]+[Attacking]+[Recovery]x7+[Double Intensity]

These elements can be organised in anyway so I can still respect @Zaz superrest method?

Is double intensity only for full health? Are the others 'no training'?

Possibly a cheat sheet of sorts? I acknowledge that I'm dense but its hard to follow.

@Zippo Is this worth doing? I'm using Gerrards top scoring tactic on this site. I also use the superrest method so I find my players recover between games. Does using match plans have a significant effect on results?

twkmax said: Plan 3 but have no additional focus (or you can choose one if you want) Expand

Why wouldn't you have additional focus? Is there a negative?

debelizec19 said: Thank You @freshandy for the explanation.
So, if we look on Zaz example, after AFC match there is travel and we can not use superrest but why he didn't use superrest before Brighton match and after Aston Villa match on sunday 31.12.? Expand

He couldn't. If you look at both examples there are only 2 days between matches. 1st day after match has travel and 2nd day after match has match focus for the next day match. Both of these are fixed and cannot be removed so superrest cannot take place