The IWBs tend to veer in and with the DM pushing up it gets congested in the center. I've changed the DM to halfback and he makes a nice triangle with the IWBs letting them get about their business. The Halfback earns a better match rating consistently over the DM.
PeacemakerBR said: @ZaZ , would it be possible for a version of ZaZ that is aimed at high possession and with good efficiency? Have you tried something like that? Expand
Can you be a bit more clear with what "efficiency" means?
ZaZ said: Can you be a bit more clear with what "efficiency" means? Expand
Sorry I'm not a Statzy manager. Still a novice at FM. But I watch my DM more than the others because he's my super-hero wonderkid. His contribution to defense caught my eye. Feeding the players up front was similar. Defensive positioning was where I enjoyed the change. I even had him as a roving playmaker a few games. But in the go forward roles him & the IWBs tend to occupy the same space. The halfBack stood back & let the IWBs do their job & supported them passing-wise. Certainly the halfback earns more 7+ ratings than the DM. (Save is Leeds 20/21.)
The DWs consistently run to the byline winning corners, losing possession & sometimes getting a rare cross in. If it wasn't for the glut of corner kicks being headed in by my LB I'd change roles.
Machismo said: Sorry I'm not a Statzy manager. Still a novice at FM. But I watch my DM more than the others because he's my super-hero wonderkid. His contribution to defense caught my eye. Feeding the players up front was similar. Defensive positioning was where I enjoyed the change. I even had him as a roving playmaker a few games. But in the go forward roles him & the IWBs tend to occupy the same space. The halfBack stood back & let the IWBs do their job & supported them passing-wise. Certainly the halfback earns more 7+ ratings than the DM. (Save is Leeds 20/21.) Expand
Indeed, DLP is the position that consistently gets bad grades, because it works as a transition role. That doesn't mean it plays badly, just that it doesn't do what it needs to get good scores in the engine. Changing it to DM is often better for weaker team, but DLP is still king for teams with good players, which is the case in FM-Arena tests.
In the end, what matters is the win rate, not the grade of a specific role. I tried to improve conditions for DM lots of times, but it always end up with lower win rate. I tried all roles in that position, but DLP just seems to do better, despite the low scores.
Machismo said: The DWs consistently run to the byline winning corners, losing possession & sometimes getting a rare cross in. If it wasn't for the glut of corner kicks being headed in by my LB I'd change roles. Expand
Machismo said: Can you comment on the DWs vs other roles? Expand
I believe the key feature of DW is the closing down option, which got more effective this patch because of shorter throw-ins. There is a version of Blue with wingers instead of DW, using close down more PI, but it was untested for being too similar to Blue. Link is below. https://fm-arena.com/thread/1062-zaz-blue-wings-3-0/
It had higher points per match than Blue 3.0, but lower goal difference. Obviously, results from my tests can be different from tests in FM-Arena or even in managed play, depending on the players. Maybe I should try close down more with other roles, like Wide Midfielder.
It seems the tactic is very draining on wingers. Do you have any suggestion for managing wingers because they seem to consistently overexert themselves and get injured.
TactocTestor said: It seems the tactic is very draining on wingers. Do you have any suggestion for managing wingers because they seem to consistently overexert themselves and get injured. Expand
Basically, rotation and resting. If a player starts showing fatigue (check medical centre), it's probably a good idea to keep him only 45 min in the pitch or rest him completely from next match. If condition is too low after a match, give him some rest from training (right click -> training -> rest). If fatigue is too high because of international matches during holidais, give them one or two weeks of holiday (also in the rest menu). Remember to always make all substitutions and set tactics to Light Blue when winning comfortably, or even reduce tempo to minimum if the lead is too big.
Some leagues have really tough schedules, like Brazil, where you sometimes play three matches in a row with one day off in between each of them. When that happens, you just have to accept it and rotate the squad, even sacrificing one match or another with reserve/youth team so you can keep fresh for the important ones.
Belmorn said: What can I say ? 2nd season with Millwall ( they start in the Championship with 0 transfer and salary budget remaining )
Got promoted from championsship with my own tactic which was the same with roles just different approach ( slower tempo, tika taka style ).
Switched to the real deal hoping to stay up, got a little more than that I can say !
Just WOW. Expand
Gratz! It's really enjoyable to bring a team from lower divisions to the top!
TactocTestor said: What are your experiences with CD? Is it preferable to have one with high pace/ acceleration but low in heading/ jumping reach? Expand
Faster is better. You can ignore heading completely, but jumping reach is good to have for defensive and offensive reasons.
@ZaZ if you remember me I started new save with some addons and my local club Baltika Kaliningrad again. What i can say is i don't know if ME changed at all, but when i matched players i won Championship and won 6 games in UCL with club only predicted 12th or 8th, i can share my screenshots from that season if you want.
I think this is the most stable and broken tactic in FM 21. If i could won Man City and PSG twice in 2 seasons a row with Russian Club - this means something
kireby said: @ZaZ if you remember me I started new save with some addons and my local club Baltika Kaliningrad again. What i can say is i don't know if ME changed at all, but when i matched players i won Championship and won 6 games in UCL with club only predicted 12th or 8th, i can share my screenshots from that season if you want.
I think this is the most stable and broken tactic in FM 21. If i could won Man City and PSG twice in 2 seasons a row with Russian Club - this means something Expand
I believe you. I recently won both English, Swedish and Brazilian leagues with teams predicted last, in the first season. I have yet to continue those saves to win the continental cup too.
ZaZ said: I believe you. I recently won both English, Swedish and Brazilian leagues with teams predicted last, in the first season. I have yet to continue those saves to win the continental cup too. Expand
I hope once i win UCL but it will be very difficult
anonameone said: Sorry if this has been asked before, but which one is better for the shadow striker role? A natural AMC or natural ST trained to AMC position? Expand
anonameone said: Thanks mate. That page the link refers to, really enlighten me. Any Player Preferred Moves recommended? Expand
Get moves that reinforce the player instructions. For example, move into channels for those that have the instruction to move into channels, and so on.
klokan said: Hey, I know someone has already asked you about the training but... could you make version of training for 1 match sunday, 1 match saturday, 2 match- tuesday saturday, 2 match tuesday sunday, 2 match wednesday saturday, 2 match wednesday sunday? or at least tell me how to alterate your trainings when different situations come up in my schedule? Expand
The in-season training is set to 1 match per week, on saturday. If your match is sunday, just swap saturday with sunday. If you have another match wednesday or tuesday, just remove the quickness trainings and make sure there is one attacking movement, defensive positioning and teamwork before each match, to give next match bonuses.
Is finishing really necessary on shadow strikers? I notice in the important attributes table that finishing has the least effect on team result. So my SS won't improve much even if his finishing goes up from 11 to 14?
TactocTestor said: Is finishing really necessary on shadow strikers? I notice in the important attributes table that finishing has the least effect on team result. So my SS won't improve much even if his finishing goes up from 11 to 14? Expand
TactocTestor said: Is finishing really necessary on shadow strikers? I notice in the important attributes table that finishing has the least effect on team result. So my SS won't improve much even if his finishing goes up from 11 to 14? Expand
I've had success with strikers with 3 finishing and have had some blind strikers with 18 finishing. It obviously have some importance, but getting the ball in the right spot often is way more important.
ZaZ said: Guardiola seems to play FM21. He is clearly playing strikerless, and I would even say he is using Blue. =)
Well said, pal.
P.S.: Seems like an "unrealistic strikerless tactics" will be in the finals of UCL.
Hehe
@ZaZ , would it be possible for a version of ZaZ that is aimed at high possession and with good efficiency? Have you tried something like that?
The IWBs tend to veer in and with the DM pushing up it gets congested in the center. I've changed the DM to halfback and he makes a nice triangle with the IWBs letting them get about their business. The Halfback earns a better match rating consistently over the DM.
PeacemakerBR said: @ZaZ , would it be possible for a version of ZaZ that is aimed at high possession and with good efficiency? Have you tried something like that?
Can you be a bit more clear with what "efficiency" means?
ZaZ said: Can you be a bit more clear with what "efficiency" means?
Sorry I'm not a Statzy manager. Still a novice at FM. But I watch my DM more than the others because he's my super-hero wonderkid. His contribution to defense caught my eye. Feeding the players up front was similar. Defensive positioning was where I enjoyed the change. I even had him as a roving playmaker a few games. But in the go forward roles him & the IWBs tend to occupy the same space. The halfBack stood back & let the IWBs do their job & supported them passing-wise. Certainly the halfback earns more 7+ ratings than the DM.
(Save is Leeds 20/21.)
The DWs consistently run to the byline winning corners, losing possession & sometimes getting a rare cross in. If it wasn't for the glut of corner kicks being headed in by my LB I'd change roles.
Machismo said: Sorry I'm not a Statzy manager. Still a novice at FM. But I watch my DM more than the others because he's my super-hero wonderkid. His contribution to defense caught my eye. Feeding the players up front was similar. Defensive positioning was where I enjoyed the change. I even had him as a roving playmaker a few games. But in the go forward roles him & the IWBs tend to occupy the same space. The halfBack stood back & let the IWBs do their job & supported them passing-wise. Certainly the halfback earns more 7+ ratings than the DM.
(Save is Leeds 20/21.)
Indeed, DLP is the position that consistently gets bad grades, because it works as a transition role. That doesn't mean it plays badly, just that it doesn't do what it needs to get good scores in the engine. Changing it to DM is often better for weaker team, but DLP is still king for teams with good players, which is the case in FM-Arena tests.
In the end, what matters is the win rate, not the grade of a specific role. I tried to improve conditions for DM lots of times, but it always end up with lower win rate. I tried all roles in that position, but DLP just seems to do better, despite the low scores.
Machismo said: The DWs consistently run to the byline winning corners, losing possession & sometimes getting a rare cross in. If it wasn't for the glut of corner kicks being headed in by my LB I'd change roles.
Can you comment on the DWs vs other roles?
Machismo said: Can you comment on the DWs vs other roles?
I believe the key feature of DW is the closing down option, which got more effective this patch because of shorter throw-ins. There is a version of Blue with wingers instead of DW, using close down more PI, but it was untested for being too similar to Blue. Link is below.
https://fm-arena.com/thread/1062-zaz-blue-wings-3-0/
It had higher points per match than Blue 3.0, but lower goal difference. Obviously, results from my tests can be different from tests in FM-Arena or even in managed play, depending on the players. Maybe I should try close down more with other roles, like Wide Midfielder.
When testing did you run the DM as a halfback? If so, was the HB nipping at the heels of the DLP or way behind in results?
Machismo said: When testing did you run the DM as a halfback? If so, was the HB nipping at the heels of the DLP or way behind in results?
Behind for strong team. I don't remember if it was better for weaker team.
It seems the tactic is very draining on wingers. Do you have any suggestion for managing wingers because they seem to consistently overexert themselves and get injured.
TactocTestor said: It seems the tactic is very draining on wingers. Do you have any suggestion for managing wingers because they seem to consistently overexert themselves and get injured.
Basically, rotation and resting. If a player starts showing fatigue (check medical centre), it's probably a good idea to keep him only 45 min in the pitch or rest him completely from next match. If condition is too low after a match, give him some rest from training (right click -> training -> rest). If fatigue is too high because of international matches during holidais, give them one or two weeks of holiday (also in the rest menu). Remember to always make all substitutions and set tactics to Light Blue when winning comfortably, or even reduce tempo to minimum if the lead is too big.
Some leagues have really tough schedules, like Brazil, where you sometimes play three matches in a row with one day off in between each of them. When that happens, you just have to accept it and rotate the squad, even sacrificing one match or another with reserve/youth team so you can keep fresh for the important ones.
What can I say ? 2nd season with Millwall ( they start in the Championship with 0 transfer and salary budget remaining )
Got promoted from championsship with my own tactic which was the same with roles just different approach ( slower tempo, tika taka style ).
Switched to the real deal hoping to stay up, got a little more than that I can say !
Just WOW.
What are your experiences with CD? Is it preferable to have one with high pace/ acceleration but low in heading/ jumping reach?
Belmorn said: What can I say ? 2nd season with Millwall ( they start in the Championship with 0 transfer and salary budget remaining )
Got promoted from championsship with my own tactic which was the same with roles just different approach ( slower tempo, tika taka style ).
Switched to the real deal hoping to stay up, got a little more than that I can say !
Just WOW.
Gratz! It's really enjoyable to bring a team from lower divisions to the top!
TactocTestor said: What are your experiences with CD? Is it preferable to have one with high pace/ acceleration but low in heading/ jumping reach?
Faster is better. You can ignore heading completely, but jumping reach is good to have for defensive and offensive reasons.
I've found Zazz Blue (& Red) have good corner routines. Having a player with plenty of 'jump' nets much goals if you stick him at the near post.
Thank u
@ZaZ if you remember me
I started new save with some addons and my local club Baltika Kaliningrad again. What i can say is i don't know if ME changed at all, but when i matched players i won Championship and won 6 games in UCL with club only predicted 12th or 8th, i can share my screenshots from that season if you want.
I think this is the most stable and broken tactic in FM 21. If i could won Man City and PSG twice in 2 seasons a row with Russian Club - this means something
kireby said: @ZaZ if you remember me
I started new save with some addons and my local club Baltika Kaliningrad again. What i can say is i don't know if ME changed at all, but when i matched players i won Championship and won 6 games in UCL with club only predicted 12th or 8th, i can share my screenshots from that season if you want.
I think this is the most stable and broken tactic in FM 21. If i could won Man City and PSG twice in 2 seasons a row with Russian Club - this means something
I believe you. I recently won both English, Swedish and Brazilian leagues with teams predicted last, in the first season. I have yet to continue those saves to win the continental cup too.
ZaZ said: I believe you. I recently won both English, Swedish and Brazilian leagues with teams predicted last, in the first season. I have yet to continue those saves to win the continental cup too.
I hope once i win UCL but it will be very difficult
Sorry if this has been asked before, but which one is better for the shadow striker role? A natural AMC or natural ST trained to AMC position?
anonameone said: Sorry if this has been asked before, but which one is better for the shadow striker role? A natural AMC or natural ST trained to AMC position?
The fastest (acceleration/pace) of them if ST is at least accomplished. If ST is not retrained to accomplished yet, then AMC will probably do better, unless he is a slug.
https://fm-arena.com/thread/1087-the-position-rating-and-its-impact-on-the-performance/
ZaZ said: The fastest (acceleration/pace) of them if ST is at least accomplished. If ST is not retrained to accomplished yet, then AMC will probably do better, unless he is a slug.
https://fm-arena.com/thread/1087-the-position-rating-and-its-impact-on-the-performance/
Thanks mate. That page the link refers to, really enlighten me.
Any Player Preferred Moves recommended?
anonameone said: Thanks mate. That page the link refers to, really enlighten me.
Any Player Preferred Moves recommended?
Get moves that reinforce the player instructions. For example, move into channels for those that have the instruction to move into channels, and so on.
klokan said: Hey, I know someone has already asked you about the training but... could you make version of training for 1 match sunday, 1 match saturday, 2 match- tuesday saturday, 2 match tuesday sunday, 2 match wednesday saturday, 2 match wednesday sunday? or at least tell me how to alterate your trainings when different situations come up in my schedule?
The in-season training is set to 1 match per week, on saturday. If your match is sunday, just swap saturday with sunday. If you have another match wednesday or tuesday, just remove the quickness trainings and make sure there is one attacking movement, defensive positioning and teamwork before each match, to give next match bonuses.
Is finishing really necessary on shadow strikers? I notice in the important attributes table that finishing has the least effect on team result. So my SS won't improve much even if his finishing goes up from 11 to 14?
TactocTestor said: Is finishing really necessary on shadow strikers? I notice in the important attributes table that finishing has the least effect on team result. So my SS won't improve much even if his finishing goes up from 11 to 14?
Yes, you are right.
TactocTestor said: Is finishing really necessary on shadow strikers? I notice in the important attributes table that finishing has the least effect on team result. So my SS won't improve much even if his finishing goes up from 11 to 14?
I've had success with strikers with 3 finishing and have had some blind strikers with 18 finishing. It obviously have some importance, but getting the ball in the right spot often is way more important.
Sorry if this has been asked but should I play my right footed on the left in SS role?