Overlaps mean that play is slowed down to allow the full-back time to overlap, therefore getting more men forward. If you look at the two tactics, the one with overlaps is better defensively but worse offensively. This is because the attacking play is slowed down, also meaning that the opposition has less time on the ball and so fewer goalscoring opportunities.
Likewise, the tactic without overlaps is better offensively as it attacks with more intensity but is is worse defensively as it takes more risks instead of waiting for the full-backs to catch up. Overall, I think it's just down to personal preference rather than being a meta instruction.
crizeKOS said: Mid focus play seems kinda cosmetic too. Maybe is working with system with alot of players on mid (narrow ones). U guys must change shape for 14222 or 141212 Expand
Yeah I think this formation actually needs the AML and AMR to be traditional wingers but I think that's probably already been done
Delicious said: Don't worry,but both of them work on same way ^^! It was a process from 4231 that made me going here and around in order to gather data. Just check before you wanna post something otherwise Zippo is going to bip bip me most likely... Expand
Interestingly it didn't work too well in testing despite pretty much being the same as the 4-1-3-2. We go again
No clue if i tested that specific one, but if not just remember me when it's being tested so i can remove from it,don't worry is just to note numbers.
Atm this shape is the hardest to make it work,maybe with IW/IWB is going to moon Expand
Haha sorry hadn't clocked that you'd already made a huge thread on this, although this is more similar to the 4-1-3-2 that you've been doing in terms of instructions
Delicious said: Was going to do it,but didn't want to take the "control" of the machine just for me,since i've already a day gap Expand
Yeah I looked through the previous versions of Poirer and saw that you hadn't yet done this specific configuration so I thought I'd save you a bit of time by testing it now
First of all, congratulations to @Delicious for getting the highest rated tactic so far. I have made a couple of changes to it just to see how it would do, but not so many that it's a completely different tactic.
+ Focus play through the middle + Underlaps + IWB(S) instead of WB(S) + Reliable set-pieces
Tested with Man City and Bournemouth and got the best return I have ever seen from both sides
Expected points also reaches the highest that I have ever seen for both sides. Once again, props to @Delicious
Hi all, I am writing in this thread because I have made a slight adjustment to this tactic. I have added a couple of team instructions, but I have removed all player instructions. This is Woodball 4-2-3-1 SIMPLIFIED
Below, you will see that Watford won the Championship with 102 points, while Birmingham missed out on automatic promotion on goal difference. This tactic was a lot better defensively than the others that I have uploaded.
On expected points, Watford got 95 which is the highest I've managed from them thus far. Birmingham got 83 so this does mean that they overperformed theirs by a fair margin.
Right so I've made some more changes to this tactic from a while ago because I want to make more use out of the AML and AMR positions (mainly due to the positions article posted yesterday). This is Woodball 4-2-3-1 v4.
I've taken out the majority of player instructions and added some 'meta' team instructions from those at the top of the table.
It won't surprise you to see that PSG won the league with it but I rarely see them quite as dominant as this. Ajaccio also got Europe despite being newly promoted and predicted 20th.
Ajaccio actually did quite a lot better than their expected points, but on this chart it is very close between 5th and 11th so it really could have gone either way.
MemorizableUsername said: Totally agree, that's why there should be an emphasis on choosing a tactic to suit your team rather then building a team around a tactic (No harm wanting to build team team towards a 'meta' tactic, but that should be a long term goal)
The performance difference from tactics scoring 55+ here are well within standard deviation and are more then likely to work out all the same IMO Expand
Realistically there isn't a meta yet that's worth using more than the others. So while this is the case, I wonder if we are hindering ourselves with the wide diamond for all the reasons that Zippo has outlined here.
Hi all, I have made some adjustments mainly in the instructions. However, I have started to use the player roles from crizeKOS. This is Sunak Diamond v2.
+ Positive mentality + Play out of defence + Work ball into box - Underlaps - Run at defence + Counter-press + Roll it out - Distribute quickly
Changed the full-backs to IWB(A) rather than IWB(S), also changed to DM(D) as opposed to DM(S). Added instructions "Take more risks", "Shoot less often", "Dribble more", "Get further forward" to all applicable players. Added "Cross from byline" to DWs and also "Stay wider" to the BPDs.
Tested with Watford and Birmingham and had a very impressive return. If Norwich weren't overpowered on this edition of FM, both Watford and Birmingham would have got promoted automatically.
Here are the expected points. Both overperformed their points but finished in the position that they should have done.
Hi all, here is another tactic based on the diamond shape used by crizeKOS and MemorizableUsername. I haven't yet seen one with this exact configuration so I thought I'd share this one. Also a thank you to Zippo for the tactical instruction testing which I leaned on heavily here.
The IWBs are on support contrary to most other versions of this, and the DM is on support (although this might be changed to defend).
Tested this with Manchester City and Bournemouth again. City won the league comfortably getting 100 points and a +114 goal difference. Bournemouth made Europa Conference League although you will notice that they had the worst defence in the league, which is why I think the DM should be changed to a defend mentality.
They both performed as expected so there is nothing to be concerned about there, it's just a case of being better defensively.
ZaZ said: The problem is the RPM with IWB-At and advanced wingers, which leave too much space in the back. I have to either change to a DM role that keeps position better, or use some IWB-Su to balance it out, together with DW. Expand
I think the RPM has been nerfed this year, been able to get no luck out of it
Quick update, I have changed the in transition instructions around to see if that makes a difference. This is "Woodball 4-2-3-1 v3" as seen at the top of the page.
In the league, both Man City and Bournemouth did well with Bournemouth qualifying for the UCL.
Expected points were very healthy, with Bournemouth overperforming mainly due to good performances from Dominic Solanke.
Likewise, the tactic without overlaps is better offensively as it attacks with more intensity but is is worse defensively as it takes more risks instead of waiting for the full-backs to catch up. Overall, I think it's just down to personal preference rather than being a meta instruction.
Yeah I think this formation actually needs the AML and AMR to be traditional wingers but I think that's probably already been done
Just check before you wanna post something otherwise Zippo is going to bip bip me most likely...
Interestingly it didn't work too well in testing despite pretty much being the same as the 4-1-3-2. We go again
No clue if i tested that specific one, but if not just remember me when it's being tested so i can remove from it,don't worry is just to note numbers.
Atm this shape is the hardest to make it work,maybe with IW/IWB is going to moon
Haha sorry hadn't clocked that you'd already made a huge thread on this, although this is more similar to the 4-1-3-2 that you've been doing in terms of instructions
It now uses a 4-1-4-1 shape but keeps all of the important elements of the previous tactic such as focusing down the flanks.
It won the league with PSG (obviously) and came 10th with Ajaccio.
Did well on expected points with Ajaccio massively underperforming their 'justice position'
Yeah I looked through the previous versions of Poirer and saw that you hadn't yet done this specific configuration so I thought I'd save you a bit of time by testing it now
+ Focus play through the middle
+ Underlaps
+ IWB(S) instead of WB(S)
+ Reliable set-pieces
Tested with Man City and Bournemouth and got the best return I have ever seen from both sides
Expected points also reaches the highest that I have ever seen for both sides. Once again, props to @Delicious
Below, you will see that Watford won the Championship with 102 points, while Birmingham missed out on automatic promotion on goal difference. This tactic was a lot better defensively than the others that I have uploaded.
On expected points, Watford got 95 which is the highest I've managed from them thus far. Birmingham got 83 so this does mean that they overperformed theirs by a fair margin.
+ Lower defensive line
+ Distribute quickly
On WBs:
+ Sit wider
On IFs:
+ Sit narrower
Man City were 1 game away from invincibles and Bournemouth finished 7th. Haaland scored 58 league goals
Both teams did well on expected points
I've taken out the majority of player instructions and added some 'meta' team instructions from those at the top of the table.
It won't surprise you to see that PSG won the league with it but I rarely see them quite as dominant as this. Ajaccio also got Europe despite being newly promoted and predicted 20th.
Ajaccio actually did quite a lot better than their expected points, but on this chart it is very close between 5th and 11th so it really could have gone either way.
The performance difference from tactics scoring 55+ here are well within standard deviation and are more then likely to work out all the same IMO
Realistically there isn't a meta yet that's worth using more than the others. So while this is the case, I wonder if we are hindering ourselves with the wide diamond for all the reasons that Zippo has outlined here.
+ Positive mentality
+ Play out of defence
+ Work ball into box
- Underlaps
- Run at defence
+ Counter-press
+ Roll it out
- Distribute quickly
Changed the full-backs to IWB(A) rather than IWB(S), also changed to DM(D) as opposed to DM(S). Added instructions "Take more risks", "Shoot less often", "Dribble more", "Get further forward" to all applicable players. Added "Cross from byline" to DWs and also "Stay wider" to the BPDs.
Tested with Watford and Birmingham and had a very impressive return. If Norwich weren't overpowered on this edition of FM, both Watford and Birmingham would have got promoted automatically.
Here are the expected points. Both overperformed their points but finished in the position that they should have done.
The IWBs are on support contrary to most other versions of this, and the DM is on support (although this might be changed to defend).
Tested this with Manchester City and Bournemouth again. City won the league comfortably getting 100 points and a +114 goal difference. Bournemouth made Europa Conference League although you will notice that they had the worst defence in the league, which is why I think the DM should be changed to a defend mentality.
They both performed as expected so there is nothing to be concerned about there, it's just a case of being better defensively.
Sunak Diamond v2: https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/17324/
I think the RPM has been nerfed this year, been able to get no luck out of it
In the league, both Man City and Bournemouth did well with Bournemouth qualifying for the UCL.
Expected points were very healthy, with Bournemouth overperforming mainly due to good performances from Dominic Solanke.