MeanOnSunday said: He left Chelsea and is in lower leagues now so probably you don’t have a large enough database. Personally I don’t rate him; he’s fast but if a 20 yo leaves Chelsea and has only played professionally at league 2 level then he’s not who I would buy for a top club. Expand
I don think he's after him in real life. I have no idea what he's like in 26 but in 24 he was one of the best buys in the game.
Rain said: You brought up your boyfriend in a post that didn't involve him. I'd say that's exactly what rent free means Expand
Haha. Sorry I forget you all seemingly share one brain. You @ me and I replied. I said genie scout wasn't bugged in another thread, so that does that mean I'm rent free in your head? Why are you @ me in a thread I'm not in? Rent free!!!
What's the homophobic comment about? Who is my boyfriend?
GeorgeFloydOverdosed said: We all have egos, and I'm saying we can fall for the trap of pumping it up on the praise (positive appraisals) of those who wouldn't have a clue. It also makes you vulnerable to being torn down later on by the same people. He successfully requested his own FM24 megapack thread to be closed because one of his patreon subscribers shattered his ego.
Honestly, what he's doing isn't that difficult, I could do it. And I reckon I'd do it better. And as a point of comparison, I've said that EBFM is just next level to me, I can't really do (or be bothered to do at least) my testing as good as he did.
If it was $50/month, I wouldn't bother. All it would do is compromise your integrity. $2500/month though? Not gonna lie, that's pretty tempting. Even Judas sold out Jesus for less than that. Expand
More mad rantings. You aren't a good tester. Your findings are wrong. You have closed the skill gap with players. Are you still claiming Mbappe isn't in the top 20 and Kante is a better winger than Yamal because genie scout is bugged? Because we both know that isn't the reason. We know that before using negative scores and mental attributes was a problem. But that isn't the case with your premier league file.
Claiming you could do all these things better but you can't be bothered. That's how kids talk at school. No one in their right mind is paying you for your genie scout ratings. You are testing attributes using the best tactics and set pieces? You can take over the worst team in any league using those and do well with no transfers at all.
Rain said: @keithb I thought there was no issues with genie scout? Expand
Its minor, like a rounding error. This post is hysterical.
I wasn't aware it was doing this, but its not the reason Bozo Lockjaw doesn't have Mbappe in the top 20 players and thinks Ngolo Kante is a better right winger than Yamal. Thats because his file is awful and actually says speed isn't that important.
You can use genie scout with the correct weightings and it will sill have the top 10 players for each position correct, they just might be in the wrong order. But hopefully you can use your own eyes, and brain if its there, to see who might turn out to be the best.
Rain said: And yet you have not brought one productive thing to the conversation. I would think someone who is so obsessed would actually want to prove what he is saying, but here we are listening to the same thing over and over instead of bringing something to the table. Always funny when people play the victim when they get called out lmao.
Of course you don't think there's anything wrong with genie scout because you haven't actually tried anything else and compared. Lightning literally told you he had the same issue as well and you just brush it aside because it doesn't fit your narrative and you want to continue this gag. Expand
Deary me the intellect is rather low on here. I have brought many things to the table. For example I said stamina was important, which Bozo ridiculed me for but now says is important. And I have shown the ratings to be very wrong, but maybe you also think Mbappe is meh?? Bozo's ratings reduce the skill gap in players and severely undervalues speed.
I have used phython extensively which is far superior to genie scout, so wrong again. Setting my own ratings and using 7x for speed. The reason people think genie scout is broken is because the input is wrong as I have already said. But if people dont understand what the problem is, its a worry. If you put diesel into a petrol car you blame the car for not working?? Lockjaw already corrected the problems for the latest file. Maybe he realised, maybe he didn't. I think he did, but he just likes to hide behind the falsehood its bugged. Yet thousands used it with no problem?
Rain said: Are you genuinely retarded? You sit around waiting for him to post and instead of making your own thread on your findings you just spam this thread and annoy EVERYONE else who's reading. Half the posts on each page are you just spewing bs for no reason. Get a life already. Expand
No I'm not retarded. What a mean thing to say. I'm not spewing any bullshit and my posts are for a very good reason as I've already explained. Maybe you have a mental disability and can't read very well? I'm exposing the truths about the dreadful testing carried out by Bozo. One day Bozo says a certain attribute isn't needed, the next he says it's important. A complete charlatan.
I don't sit around waiting for Lockjaw to post. Initially I replied to say he'd missed out some important attributes for a full back and their reply was an attempt to ridicule me. I have a right to reply. And it's continued that way,along with making up things I said in a pathetic attempt at deflection from their own failures. Others have explained the testing and results are faulty also. Bozo claims genie scout doesn't work as well. All of these things are the hallmark of someone who doesn't know what they're doing and as I rightfully said a complete charlatan.
That said I'm off on holiday today and won't be looking at this. When I return I'm sure Bozo Lockjaw will have changed their mind once again. It's a recurring theme you see. New tests show different results. And so on.
Noct said: Tapeworm is right, pal this become ridiculous, you said it once, you said it twice, you say the same things all the time. If you don't like the thread or the author and his findings or whatever else JUST DON'T FOLLOW THIS THREAD, it's as simple as this. And let the others decide for themselves. And if you want, start a thread on your own, to share your findings. Expand
Well if jocklaw hadn't spoken to me in certain ways I wouldn't even be bothering. But its a good job I am as the testing results are atrocious.
1. Erling Haaland 2. Mohamed Salah 3. Kylian Mbappé 4. Lautaro Martínez 5. Marcus Rashford 6. Victor Osimhen 7. Robert Lewandowski 8. Lionel Messi 9. Randal Kolo Muani 10. Romelu Lukaku
This is what I meant when I said Genie Scout was doing something unanticipated on top of the weights you give it, or it's just not using a straightforward weighted average. Expand
The input is wrong as its simple as that. I blame the person who made the file. I've NEVER had that issue.
As a regular follower of this thread, I’ve grown tired of seeing your constantly argumentative, aggressive posts. The fact that you keep slinging mud at people who are trying to carry out analyses—even if some of them are wrong—without conducting any analysis or testing yourself, and that your posts now make up the bulk of this thread, is becoming highly annoying. Expand
Im sorry you feel that way.
I am merely exposing the truths(something Lockjaw loves and implores others to do) about testing from Lockjaw whilst simultaneously trying not to piss in my own face as they once put it. Its vital work and Im happy to do it. I dont need to do my own testing as others who are good testers have already done it. Using their test results and others before them I made my own weightings and these consistently produce the best results in genie scout. Something Lockjaw cant do and then falsely claims that genie scout is bugged. However he wont say how its bugged. Just another excuse from a long list to cover his rather turgid tracks.
Id say most if not nearly all Bozo's testing is wrong. You'd be a fool to follow any of it. We're now into the realms of speed isn't as important as we, correctly, thought and actually other useless attributes really aren't that far behind it at all. And im the one who is pissing in my own face apparently? Blimey
GeorgeFloydOverdosed said: What you don't realize is that I stated this before HarvestGreen said anything about pressure.
HarvestGreen's post was 29 March 2026.
15 December 2025:
19 December 2025:
Both in this very thread.
Not that I discovered the effect of pressure of course, I've always credited Orion for that from the get go. My point is that I have long hypothesized that pressure functions as work rate does, and also I think it's fair to say that Orion's findings had been largely ignored and forgotten, so I think I will give myself a pat on the back for breathing fresh life into this piece of knowledge.
Or is keithb going to claim that, as with everything else, everybody already knew pressure was the most important personality attribute? Expand
hahah you literally said after new testing it was worth 52. People knew pressure was important years ago. Anyway yes give yourself a well-deserved pat on the back haha. Bloody Bozo
Anyway are you going to explain how genie scout is bugged? Or is that just another thing you made up to excuse your crap weighting.
GeorgeFloydOverdosed said: Yes, pressure is important. I first saw this when I came across Orion's FM22 test on it, and I think HarvestGreen has recently posted data for this for FM24 too. It's not as critical as pace/acc, because it seems that 10 or a bit even lower can be sufficient. I would speculate that it's going to be like work rate where 6 is the point beyond which returns start to tail off. But as we can see from the chart, pressure 10 > 20 is a 10% boost which is still highly significant (equivalent to 1 > 10 consistency or determination).
The weights are simply their values x 4 right now. So pressure 52/4 = 13. I'm actually yet to test pressure less than 13 yet, I suspect it could drop a point or two. You haven't asked about how weightings should be derived from attribute levels that work, but it touches on the matter. I don't want to get into this anyway, but let's just say there's no one way of approaching it. At the moment, I'm going for a transparent, simple approach, and I will be giving this more thought later. To give you a straightforward example of what I mean, consider pace/acc. 14-15 is necessary to finish ~5th, but a team of 13 will get you relegated. So perhaps one would say let's make that 56 weighting 100 instead, just to ensure you get at least 14 pace/acc. And for pressure, it's 52 weighting, but you only *really* need say ~6-10, with little benefit for 14+, so maybe let's make that 45 instead of 52. In a way that produces better results, but the formula is more opaque and perhaps more whimsical, and yet there are also other downsides/trade-offs too when you start thinking about this deeply.
I think I have accidentally used 4xDC 17 with 2xST (out of 4) 17 and the result wasn't noticeably different (hence I didn't realize until a bit later).
I've answered the balance & dribbling for DC question, it's because the key attributes turn out to be equally essential for all outfield positions. Expand
harvestgreen22 said: The influence of pressure mainly focuses on 1-6. That is, similar to Work Rate, when the pressure is lower than 6, the players will face severe penalties (18.2%). However, when it is above 6, there are benefits, but the benefits are not as significant (8.9%). Expand
Who knew eh?!?! Once again we thank you for groundbreaking research(which was initially wrong. As always!!!)
LightningFlik said: I don't have access to Genie Scout so I've been calculating ratings manually using weights from different people. I multiply each attribute by its coefficient (assuming the attribute has a coefficient, sum the values and divide by a scaling value.
Doing this, I found the order of resultant players if different to the order Genie Scout presents, leading me to believe maybe it's factoring in footedness or height or positional familiarity, or maybe just not normalising personality values.
It's clearly doing something right because people have used it for years to build winning teams, I just noted that if you've taken care to tweak the weights then GS is going to do something you can't predict with them. Expand
Thanks a for a decent and genuine reply.
I dont ever set consistency, important matches or any of the hidden with the scoring/weighting. Its not perfect and sometimes I wonder how a physical player isn't rated him. But its definitely accurate, not bugged with the scores and it will identify the elite and world class players if you set it up correctly.
I dont agree that GS is going to do something you cant predict. Again I've never had an issue, never missed a player.
BulldozerJokic said: Saying that wingers don't need jumping is absolutely ridiculous. The way top FM24 tactics work is that jumping on wingers is more important than jumping on strikers or even centrebacks. Just watch a couple of games to see it for yourself Expand
How many goals are these wingers scoring each season from headers?
Looking forward to your file for genie scout that has jumping reach 100 for wingers, 50 for centre backs and 25 for target striker. Sounds great!!
Nozdormu said: 1. If pressure has a weight 52, then it is super important, it is as important as acceleration and pace, isn't it? how much pressure is good? probably at least 15?
2. Are there any other attributes (just as pressure) which are important but you are not putting them into Genie Scout's calculations? I mean what else attributes (besides pressure) we need to manually filter them?
3. You use two ST with jump 17 to do the test, not DC, Did you ever use two DC with jumping 17 or 18 to test it?
4. Why give so much weight to balance and dribbling for DC? Expand
There's no way that pressure is eight behind speed. But then in the latest file it seems a lot of attributes are, which is simply not right. Speed is still so superior to every other attribute, or even 2-3 attributes combined, that you can't take these tests seriously.
Centre backs should have decent balance, it's another attribute every player should have a decent amount of, but they don't need dribbling. Dribbling is for wingers, 10's and full backs and fast strikers. Why you would want your centre back dribbling up the pitch I have no idea. Dribbling is strong in FM 24 for attacking. Speed is still more important but the truly elite wingers will have high dribbling, balance and agility.
If you have fast player's you won't get relegated if your centre backs have 13 jumping reach. Just more bonus testing. Recently Lockjaw ridiculed me for saying stamina was important in certain positions. Now he has the set at 52 also. He doesn't know what he's doing and changes his mind from tests using Knapp's best formations and blue set pieces. You can sometimes get Luton into Europe using that setup with no transfers. I mean come on.
I don think he's after him in real life. I have no idea what he's like in 26 but in 24 he was one of the best buys in the game.
Haha. Sorry I forget you all seemingly share one brain. You @ me and I replied. I said genie scout wasn't bugged in another thread, so that does that mean I'm rent free in your head? Why are you @ me in a thread I'm not in? Rent free!!!
What's the homophobic comment about? Who is my boyfriend?
Honestly, what he's doing isn't that difficult, I could do it. And I reckon I'd do it better. And as a point of comparison, I've said that EBFM is just next level to me, I can't really do (or be bothered to do at least) my testing as good as he did.
If it was $50/month, I wouldn't bother. All it would do is compromise your integrity. $2500/month though? Not gonna lie, that's pretty tempting. Even Judas sold out Jesus for less than that.
More mad rantings. You aren't a good tester. Your findings are wrong. You have closed the skill gap with players. Are you still claiming Mbappe isn't in the top 20 and Kante is a better winger than Yamal because genie scout is bugged? Because we both know that isn't the reason. We know that before using negative scores and mental attributes was a problem. But that isn't the case with your premier league file.
Claiming you could do all these things better but you can't be bothered. That's how kids talk at school. No one in their right mind is paying you for your genie scout ratings. You are testing attributes using the best tactics and set pieces? You can take over the worst team in any league using those and do well with no transfers at all.
Jesus weren't real mate.
I was on holiday. Sorry I didn't reply to you immediately and made one other post in that time. Again you don't understand what rent free means.
If you can buy Udogie for cash upfront then you can stretch the money to buy both.
If you need a centre back look at Akomeah.
You @ me. Thats not really how rent free works. Its ironic you said I was retarded.
Its minor, like a rounding error. This post is hysterical.
I wasn't aware it was doing this, but its not the reason Bozo Lockjaw doesn't have Mbappe in the top 20 players and thinks Ngolo Kante is a better right winger than Yamal. Thats because his file is awful and actually says speed isn't that important.
You can use genie scout with the correct weightings and it will sill have the top 10 players for each position correct, they just might be in the wrong order. But hopefully you can use your own eyes, and brain if its there, to see who might turn out to be the best.
No one in their right mind is paying for a file which doesn't have Mbappe in the top 20 players. And you say other people have ego's.
Of course you don't think there's anything wrong with genie scout because you haven't actually tried anything else and compared. Lightning literally told you he had the same issue as well and you just brush it aside because it doesn't fit your narrative and you want to continue this gag.
Deary me the intellect is rather low on here. I have brought many things to the table. For example I said stamina was important, which Bozo ridiculed me for but now says is important. And I have shown the ratings to be very wrong, but maybe you also think Mbappe is meh?? Bozo's ratings reduce the skill gap in players and severely undervalues speed.
I have used phython extensively which is far superior to genie scout, so wrong again. Setting my own ratings and using 7x for speed. The reason people think genie scout is broken is because the input is wrong as I have already said. But if people dont understand what the problem is, its a worry. If you put diesel into a petrol car you blame the car for not working?? Lockjaw already corrected the problems for the latest file. Maybe he realised, maybe he didn't. I think he did, but he just likes to hide behind the falsehood its bugged. Yet thousands used it with no problem?
No I'm not retarded. What a mean thing to say. I'm not spewing any bullshit and my posts are for a very good reason as I've already explained. Maybe you have a mental disability and can't read very well? I'm exposing the truths about the dreadful testing carried out by Bozo. One day Bozo says a certain attribute isn't needed, the next he says it's important. A complete charlatan.
I don't sit around waiting for Lockjaw to post. Initially I replied to say he'd missed out some important attributes for a full back and their reply was an attempt to ridicule me. I have a right to reply. And it's continued that way,along with making up things I said in a pathetic attempt at deflection from their own failures. Others have explained the testing and results are faulty also. Bozo claims genie scout doesn't work as well. All of these things are the hallmark of someone who doesn't know what they're doing and as I rightfully said a complete charlatan.
That said I'm off on holiday today and won't be looking at this. When I return I'm sure Bozo Lockjaw will have changed their mind once again. It's a recurring theme you see. New tests show different results. And so on.
Well if jocklaw hadn't spoken to me in certain ways I wouldn't even be bothering. But its a good job I am as the testing results are atrocious.
Once you've answered the near dozen questions ive asked you. Maybe
I used the Blended weights from this post and calculated the ratings for players manually. In Genie Scout they produce this list:
1. Mbappe
2. Vinicius
3. Haaland
4. Osimhen
5. Thuram
6. Nunez
7. Jesus
8. Isak
9. Messi
10. Martinez
Manually, they produce this one:
1. Erling Haaland
2. Mohamed Salah
3. Kylian Mbappé
4. Lautaro Martínez
5. Marcus Rashford
6. Victor Osimhen
7. Robert Lewandowski
8. Lionel Messi
9. Randal Kolo Muani
10. Romelu Lukaku
This is what I meant when I said Genie Scout was doing something unanticipated on top of the weights you give it, or it's just not using a straightforward weighted average.
The input is wrong as its simple as that. I blame the person who made the file. I've NEVER had that issue.
As a regular follower of this thread, I’ve grown tired of seeing your constantly argumentative, aggressive posts. The fact that you keep slinging mud at people who are trying to carry out analyses—even if some of them are wrong—without conducting any analysis or testing yourself, and that your posts now make up the bulk of this thread, is becoming highly annoying.
Im sorry you feel that way.
I am merely exposing the truths(something Lockjaw loves and implores others to do) about testing from Lockjaw whilst simultaneously trying not to piss in my own face as they once put it. Its vital work and Im happy to do it. I dont need to do my own testing as others who are good testers have already done it. Using their test results and others before them I made my own weightings and these consistently produce the best results in genie scout. Something Lockjaw cant do and then falsely claims that genie scout is bugged. However he wont say how its bugged. Just another excuse from a long list to cover his rather turgid tracks.
Id say most if not nearly all Bozo's testing is wrong. You'd be a fool to follow any of it. We're now into the realms of speed isn't as important as we, correctly, thought and actually other useless attributes really aren't that far behind it at all. And im the one who is pissing in my own face apparently? Blimey
HarvestGreen's post was 29 March 2026.
15 December 2025:
19 December 2025:
Both in this very thread.
Not that I discovered the effect of pressure of course, I've always credited Orion for that from the get go. My point is that I have long hypothesized that pressure functions as work rate does, and also I think it's fair to say that Orion's findings had been largely ignored and forgotten, so I think I will give myself a pat on the back for breathing fresh life into this piece of knowledge.
Or is keithb going to claim that, as with everything else, everybody already knew pressure was the most important personality attribute?
hahah you literally said after new testing it was worth 52. People knew pressure was important years ago. Anyway yes give yourself a well-deserved pat on the back haha. Bloody Bozo
Anyway are you going to explain how genie scout is bugged? Or is that just another thing you made up to excuse your crap weighting.
The weights are simply their values x 4 right now. So pressure 52/4 = 13. I'm actually yet to test pressure less than 13 yet, I suspect it could drop a point or two. You haven't asked about how weightings should be derived from attribute levels that work, but it touches on the matter. I don't want to get into this anyway, but let's just say there's no one way of approaching it. At the moment, I'm going for a transparent, simple approach, and I will be giving this more thought later. To give you a straightforward example of what I mean, consider pace/acc. 14-15 is necessary to finish ~5th, but a team of 13 will get you relegated. So perhaps one would say let's make that 56 weighting 100 instead, just to ensure you get at least 14 pace/acc. And for pressure, it's 52 weighting, but you only *really* need say ~6-10, with little benefit for 14+, so maybe let's make that 45 instead of 52. In a way that produces better results, but the formula is more opaque and perhaps more whimsical, and yet there are also other downsides/trade-offs too when you start thinking about this deeply.
I think I have accidentally used 4xDC 17 with 2xST (out of 4) 17 and the result wasn't noticeably different (hence I didn't realize until a bit later).
I've answered the balance & dribbling for DC question, it's because the key attributes turn out to be equally essential for all outfield positions.
harvestgreen22 said: The influence of pressure mainly focuses on 1-6. That is, similar to Work Rate, when the pressure is lower than 6, the players will face severe penalties (18.2%).
However, when it is above 6, there are benefits, but the benefits are not as significant (8.9%).
Who knew eh?!?! Once again we thank you for groundbreaking research(which was initially wrong. As always!!!)
Doing this, I found the order of resultant players if different to the order Genie Scout presents, leading me to believe maybe it's factoring in footedness or height or positional familiarity, or maybe just not normalising personality values.
It's clearly doing something right because people have used it for years to build winning teams, I just noted that if you've taken care to tweak the weights then GS is going to do something you can't predict with them.
Thanks a for a decent and genuine reply.
I dont ever set consistency, important matches or any of the hidden with the scoring/weighting. Its not perfect and sometimes I wonder how a physical player isn't rated him. But its definitely accurate, not bugged with the scores and it will identify the elite and world class players if you set it up correctly.
I dont agree that GS is going to do something you cant predict. Again I've never had an issue, never missed a player.
How many goals are these wingers scoring each season from headers?
Looking forward to your file for genie scout that has jumping reach 100 for wingers, 50 for centre backs and 25 for target striker. Sounds great!!
2. Are there any other attributes (just as pressure) which are important but you are not putting them into Genie Scout's calculations? I mean what else attributes (besides pressure) we need to manually filter them?
3. You use two ST with jump 17 to do the test, not DC, Did you ever use two DC with jumping 17 or 18 to test it?
4. Why give so much weight to balance and dribbling for DC?
There's no way that pressure is eight behind speed. But then in the latest file it seems a lot of attributes are, which is simply not right. Speed is still so superior to every other attribute, or even 2-3 attributes combined, that you can't take these tests seriously.
Centre backs should have decent balance, it's another attribute every player should have a decent amount of, but they don't need dribbling. Dribbling is for wingers, 10's and full backs and fast strikers. Why you would want your centre back dribbling up the pitch I have no idea. Dribbling is strong in FM 24 for attacking. Speed is still more important but the truly elite wingers will have high dribbling, balance and agility.
If you have fast player's you won't get relegated if your centre backs have 13 jumping reach. Just more bonus testing. Recently Lockjaw ridiculed me for saying stamina was important in certain positions. Now he has the set at 52 also. He doesn't know what he's doing and changes his mind from tests using Knapp's best formations and blue set pieces. You can sometimes get Luton into Europe using that setup with no transfers. I mean come on.