Thought I'd F around and find out using the tactic, with Harvest training and won the champions League with Hibs in the third season. Obviously bought well along the way but lol
I've been playing with [Quickness]+[Match Practise]+[Recovery]x7+[Attacking]+[Additional Focus Quickness]+[Double Intensity] for a while, but I notice my players get injuries a lot and they don't have the injury icon as a con. I also rotate my players to not let them play while being at risk of getting an injury, although this isn't always unavoidable.
I was wondering if this is normal behaviour and I don't need to worry too much or if I maybe am doing something wrong or missing something. Or am I maybe even using the wrong training schedule? Expand
Are your players all set to automatic intensity? Alternatively just leave the second to last condition on rest as well. You will still see insane growth in speed and ca.
From the screenshots posted you really should try to adjust some of the weights to position. For example full backs and DM 's need stamina far more than centre backs. I would weight stamina quite highly for these positions, along with work rate. DM 's don't need dribbling either
debelizec19 said: Dear @keithb please can you explain what the trainig should look like for matches on tuesday and saturday(and other combinations) or give example? You mentiond that we need to be careful when we have matches on different days in week. So now I am little bit confused about training schedules on different days. I am using [Quickness]+[Match Practice]+[Attacking]+[Recovery]x7+[Double Intensity]+[Additional Focus Quickness]. Hope you understand what I am trying to understand Expand
Within the game you can make ALL your games to be played on Wednesday and Saturday and you should absolutely turn this on.
VenEttore said: There's another thread made by harvestgreen22 in which he tested goalkeeper attributes, and some of these findings seem to be at odds with his tests. Just to confirm, are these results for any player regardless of position or role? Expand
What I can say about their testing is the training they developed is incredible. And I think his testing results are pretty good too. I wondered about the result of say finishing and composure both being 20. Looked interesting to me
abde said: It doesn't matter how you distribute the training sessions, u just need the right number of sessions as the author mentioned in one of his replies. this is how I set mine for 1 game a week on Saturday and 2 games on Wednesday and Saturday. Expand
@Rohde9 this is what you want to use and make sure your games are scheduled for wednesday and Saturday only. This is very important.
Which team are you managing? Have you set up the rest and individual training correctly? I have used this training and it is by far the best I've ever used. I have so many players hitting 20 for pace or acceleration. Now they were already fast when I bought them and young, say 14-15 for those attributes, but how quickly they get to 19-20 is amazing.
I believe this training to me the most game-breaking thing out there tbh. Because we all know how powerful speed is. The difference in my teams is phenomenal.
animatron said: Most leagues have 25 players max for registration,
Considering you have a backup on each position, would you say remaining 3 should be winger,fullback and striker? I find those 3 roles to be most injury prone because of their roles/workload Expand
What leagues are you playing in? Germany and France is 99? Younger players don't need to be registered in some countries, Spain has b and u19 teams which allow extra players for first team games.
I use a similar schedule. I don't have as many physical, which is probably a mistake and don't use match practice and physical on the same day. It's basically physical, defence and attack every day with two march practices a week and 3x rest the day after a game. It's your schedule from 22 or 23 with the rest that yourself and max came up with.
I also only play on Wednesday and Saturday so I can set training at the start of every season, change it once the European draw is done and then for extra games in cups and Europe. Also stops my assistant ruining my training every week. As you can't stop them doing that
koray1321 said: which attributes should we go for players example for pressing forward support which attributes would be best Expand
If he is in your game lol at Leon Grgic. Ignore his technicals and probably most of his mentals. He can hit 18-19 for acceleration, jumping reach, pace and strength in some saves and he's a great back up, if not starter for a lot of mid teams, and will consistently hit his numbers. But if could have anyone at the start of the save it would be Samu from Atletico/Porto IF he has high pa and starting attributes as I believe he is variable.
Super kind. Grimlock pretty much posts these instruction requests singlehandedly. He was one of my favourite transformers and they are one of the best people in this forum.
hunterfm said: My players are always injured from the akutac 4-2-3-1 and I think that's why the young guys are not really developing well. Expand
I would suggest making all your games played on wednesday and Saturday and then having 3x rest sessions only on Thursday and Sunday. And also setup auto test for no pitch or gym work unless full green. And when players are excellent condition but still tired again rest them for one day. You don't need to do the latter when playing one game a week but when two it's definitely the best thing to do.
kvasir said: So, you'd choose Lucca over someone faster but with poor jumping reach?
I tried this strategy for a couple of seasons and noticed that my AF scored more goals when he had high jumping reach. I used Emegha, who had 16/17 pace and acceleration and 18 jumping reach. However, I realized that he rarely scored from open-play high crosses; most of his goals came from set-pieces because he was the main aerial threat.
After that, I stopped obsessively seeking strikers with high jumping reach because they are rare after 10-15 years into the save, and those that do appear often have low speed. However, having at least one striker who can jump and score 4-5 goals from random high crosses can be smart, but not as crucial as you suggest. You might as well get a center-back with high jumping reach who will score the 20 goals from set-pieces that my kangaroo striker would have otherwise. Expand
Headers attempted and won and stats I feel improve your results all over the pitch. They also improve average rating, but that's just because the game is shit.
Arena have ran tests to show that jumping reach doesn't matter for a striker, so against what I'm saying, but also ran the test with dribbling, acceleration, jumping reach and pace set to 20 and all other attributes 7. The conclusion should be that jumping reach is important, but possibly not sure where or only for centre backs? But it's so high in the table that surely it must be useful in other positions as well? I feel strikers with high acceleration, jumping reach and pace are very good. Leon Grgic is one
This entire conversation is based upon you saying "Tactic uses low crosses, jumping reach doesn't really matter as the crosses are ground". Now you're using semantics to say you didn't really say that? Or I'm not sure what you're saying tbh.
As we all know one season has RNG? We also know low crosses are just better in the match engine.
Other attributes have also changed in your tests. Again I thought jumping reach was widely regarded as op up front. But it seems not.
Your 2+2 analysis doesnt stack up though. The game doesn't exactly do what it should? In many respects; attributes we all know, roles are a joke and even instructions aren't an exact science. Again look under general stats at headers constested and won and headed goals. Samu does indeed have great physicals and they are king as we know. But jumping reach is so, so, so, so OP for a striker in FM24 and 23. Cant remember 22. Yes absolutely a striker with low, 5 in your example, can and will still tear it up. But in this system, low crosses or not, the AF will be so much better if he has high jumping reach. Sesko and even Lucca being slower are incredible.
If you're ruling that out based on low crosses I would really have a re-think and test it out. I genuinely thought this was what everyone knew now.
CBP87 said: I have a striker with 5 jumping and he wins headers, he has also scored 16 goals in 13 games Expand
My nan won a header once. If you look under general stats your man with 5 jumping reach wont be contesting and winning headers compared to someone with 15+. And your second point isn't relevant either. I never said they cant be any good. But given the choice Id always go with Haaland, or even Samu if he has high ca/pa, over Mbappe. You said it doesnt really matter which is wrong. Jumping reach is seen at its best at DC and SC. If you play two SC's with high jumping reach the match engine literally breaks.
Anyway no chance you'll change your stance so have a good weekend. This reminds me of a conversation when most people told me it wasn't that important at DC as well.
CBP87 said: Tactic uses low crosses, jumping reach doesn't really matter as the crosses are ground level, pace and acceleration is a must. With pass into space being utilised I would say off the ball and anticipation would be beneficial. With PF, you want pace and acceleration too but chuck in stamina, work rate and aggression Expand
All my strikers with high jumping reach say very different. Win a lot of headers and score a lot of headed goals. Absurd to say doesnt really matter. Its ridiculously OP.
manu said: What would a good PF be? I'm running with chelsea. I was thinking of playing Nkunku there but maybe it's worth going for someone like Julian who I think you fit better. Has anyone tested this tactic with another club other than Man City? Expand
Just fast primarily. For the AF you want someone with good jumping reach.
For Chelsea you could play Nkunk as PF and Broja as AF. But you'd want to upgrade both tbh. Jackson and Washington aren't upto it. You could buy Moffi
I've been playing with [Quickness]+[Match Practise]+[Recovery]x7+[Attacking]+[Additional Focus Quickness]+[Double Intensity] for a while, but I notice my players get injuries a lot and they don't have the injury icon as a con. I also rotate my players to not let them play while being at risk of getting an injury, although this isn't always unavoidable.
I was wondering if this is normal behaviour and I don't need to worry too much or if I maybe am doing something wrong or missing something. Or am I maybe even using the wrong training schedule?
Are your players all set to automatic intensity? Alternatively just leave the second to last condition on rest as well. You will still see insane growth in speed and ca.
Within the game you can make ALL your games to be played on Wednesday and Saturday and you should absolutely turn this on.
What I can say about their testing is the training they developed is incredible. And I think his testing results are pretty good too. I wondered about the result of say finishing and composure both being 20. Looked interesting to me
this is how I set mine for 1 game a week on Saturday and 2 games on Wednesday and Saturday.
@Rohde9 this is what you want to use and make sure your games are scheduled for wednesday and Saturday only. This is very important.
Which team are you managing? Have you set up the rest and individual training correctly? I have used this training and it is by far the best I've ever used. I have so many players hitting 20 for pace or acceleration. Now they were already fast when I bought them and young, say 14-15 for those attributes, but how quickly they get to 19-20 is amazing.
I believe this training to me the most game-breaking thing out there tbh. Because we all know how powerful speed is. The difference in my teams is phenomenal.
Ok no dispensation for players under 21/19/18? Can you use B and youth teams as well?
Considering you have a backup on each position, would you say remaining 3 should be winger,fullback and striker? I find those 3 roles to be most injury prone because of their roles/workload
What leagues are you playing in? Germany and France is 99? Younger players don't need to be registered in some countries, Spain has b and u19 teams which allow extra players for first team games.
I also only play on Wednesday and Saturday so I can set training at the start of every season, change it once the European draw is done and then for extra games in cups and Europe. Also stops my assistant ruining my training every week. As you can't stop them doing that
If he is in your game lol at Leon Grgic. Ignore his technicals and probably most of his mentals. He can hit 18-19 for acceleration, jumping reach, pace and strength in some saves and he's a great back up, if not starter for a lot of mid teams, and will consistently hit his numbers. But if could have anyone at the start of the save it would be Samu from Atletico/Porto IF he has high pa and starting attributes as I believe he is variable.
It sure is.
Super kind. Grimlock pretty much posts these instruction requests singlehandedly. He was one of my favourite transformers and they are one of the best people in this forum.
I would suggest making all your games played on wednesday and Saturday and then having 3x rest sessions only on Thursday and Sunday. And also setup auto test for no pitch or gym work unless full green. And when players are excellent condition but still tired again rest them for one day. You don't need to do the latter when playing one game a week but when two it's definitely the best thing to do.
I tried this strategy for a couple of seasons and noticed that my AF scored more goals when he had high jumping reach. I used Emegha, who had 16/17 pace and acceleration and 18 jumping reach. However, I realized that he rarely scored from open-play high crosses; most of his goals came from set-pieces because he was the main aerial threat.
After that, I stopped obsessively seeking strikers with high jumping reach because they are rare after 10-15 years into the save, and those that do appear often have low speed. However, having at least one striker who can jump and score 4-5 goals from random high crosses can be smart, but not as crucial as you suggest. You might as well get a center-back with high jumping reach who will score the 20 goals from set-pieces that my kangaroo striker would have otherwise.
Headers attempted and won and stats I feel improve your results all over the pitch. They also improve average rating, but that's just because the game is shit.
Arena have ran tests to show that jumping reach doesn't matter for a striker, so against what I'm saying, but also ran the test with dribbling, acceleration, jumping reach and pace set to 20 and all other attributes 7. The conclusion should be that jumping reach is important, but possibly not sure where or only for centre backs? But it's so high in the table that surely it must be useful in other positions as well? I feel strikers with high acceleration, jumping reach and pace are very good. Leon Grgic is one
As we all know one season has RNG? We also know low crosses are just better in the match engine.
Other attributes have also changed in your tests. Again I thought jumping reach was widely regarded as op up front. But it seems not.
Have a good weekend
If you're ruling that out based on low crosses I would really have a re-think and test it out. I genuinely thought this was what everyone knew now.
My nan won a header once. If you look under general stats your man with 5 jumping reach wont be contesting and winning headers compared to someone with 15+. And your second point isn't relevant either. I never said they cant be any good. But given the choice Id always go with Haaland, or even Samu if he has high ca/pa, over Mbappe. You said it doesnt really matter which is wrong. Jumping reach is seen at its best at DC and SC. If you play two SC's with high jumping reach the match engine literally breaks.
Anyway no chance you'll change your stance so have a good weekend. This reminds me of a conversation when most people told me it wasn't that important at DC as well.
All my strikers with high jumping reach say very different. Win a lot of headers and score a lot of headed goals. Absurd to say doesnt really matter. Its ridiculously OP.
Just fast primarily. For the AF you want someone with good jumping reach.
For Chelsea you could play Nkunk as PF and Broja as AF. But you'd want to upgrade both tbh. Jackson and Washington aren't upto it. You could buy Moffi