I can't see any pictures you post. But I'm sure it's nonsense anyway.
You never answer any questions. How exactly is genie scout bugged? It clearly isn't. Just your ratings are awful and you don't understand how to use it. So you make a claim that it's broken as it couldn't possibly be anything to do with you.
GeorgeFloydOverdosed said: Club rating and potential rating in Genie Scout is rubbish. Genie Scout is bugged, as was first pointed out not by me, but by LightningFlik on page 7.
Your understanding is really outdated. Expand
Hahaha. How is it bugged exactly?
Because it has always worked fine for me. It still does. Both players and the club ratings.
Anything on the other points regarding how badly you rate players? Because using scoring that is accurate to how FM plays Mbappe would be the second to third highest rated player and Yamal would be better than Muller and Kanye on the wing.
Do you not think the clubs are too closely matched? The gap should be a bit bigger down to the bottom of that page. And why are they rated so lowly? Do you use weight in genie scout? Its really useful. Genie scout is not bugged, it works as intended. But it does rate players and therefore teams too low.
Then we have Mbappe only rated 78/80 which is crazy and Yamal with a potential of only 75. He isn't the best rw in the game, but really 75?? Thomas Muller is rated higher than him for rw. How can this be serious? Kante is rated 74!!! Surely Yamal reaching his potential is better than those two?
How do you not understand this? Do you actually play the game?
Confused? Comprehension?? I put your ratings file in and Mbappe is ranked lower than Kane!! Always funny that you come back with something and its either mad or in this case just what? Mbappe's rating is LOW using your ratings file. Have you even looked????? I think you might even have Giroud higher lol. Its not possible.
You realise a lot of people do things on youtube and its just for views?
Oh well if a youtuber said so!! You have Kane above Mbappe, who isn't in the top10 players?? He is the BEST fast striker in the game and probably best lw with Vini. Ronaldo and Messi aren't that good in FM24!! Kane is better than them. Nor is Lewandowski, the gap between him and Haaland is immense.
Other people with a decent understanding of the game will also say your ratings are dreadful. I always thought you didn't really know what you were doing, you just rehashed a lot of other people’s work, but this is worse than I ever imagined.
Its also hilarious pointing out the difference between Haaland and Mbappe. You reckon??
I strongly caution against attempting to use those 5 last ones in Genie Scout, it's bugged. I tried and it had the opposite effect (bad personality = higher %, when other stats equal). Natural fitness is a visible attribute, but it functions different to the other visible ones in Genie Scout. Don't adjust other hiddens like injury proneness either, and you *may* have fairly accurate results in Genie Scout. Expand
These are probably the worst set of numbers I've ever seen for genie scout. Again you don't understand the game, your testing is dreadful and I don't even understand how anyone can produce numbers like this. And it's for every player? Recently you ridiculed me for saying stamina is important and now you have it eight behind acceleration and pace. How is speed only set to 60??? Reflexes is the lowest attribute for keepers. Lower than metals, jumping reach and technique. This has to be a troll.
Nobody would be using these. Wingers and full backs don't need jumping reach. Mbappe and Salah will produce incredible numbers and they are both low.
More shoddy testing. From someone who thinks, from their testing, tactics are more important than attributes. Didn't have Haaland as the best player. Silly Lockjaw. Jumping reach over reflexes for keepers, maybe it's Bozo. Do those shoes hurt after a few hours? Always wondered that.
dancamp said: for fm24 still -- what's the best/recommended way to use the template ideals for position to search for players? maybe just use the key/green attributes for each position and knock the ratings down until you get a suitable audience pool? Expand
You ignore the key/green attributes. Fastest players possible. Many attributes are useless
You have way too many attributes set to 100. Its only speed and reflexes really. And I dont know how the mental traits work. Given they are are out of 20, how does setting them to 25 work?
DC is the last position that needs stamina as they run much less. They can still perform to a high level late in games.
Jumping reach for keepers is basically irrelevant. It's tied to headers, whereas aerial reach is for catching the ball. Reflexes is the strongest attribute for a keeper. It's why older keepers who start in the game, Oblak for example, are still top, top keepers with lower agility.
LightningFlik said: Where are HarvestGreen's weights? I found his latest Goalkeeper weights in an untranslated spreadsheet but could only find multi-step formulae for outfield attributes that involve doing different things if attributes are between thresholds. Expand
Weights for genie scout? I dont think he did any. But they aren't hard to work out apart from keeper. You definitely shouldn't be giving every position the same weights though.
ZaZ said: I have no clue what he has better that is much better than other elite games, unless "gets the crowd going" makes him score more goals. Expand
He challenges for more headers and wins most, he takes more shots and scores a lot more goals. He has high anticipation and other attributes that matter. But there is definitely something else about him. Maybe its a combination of all that and/or his hidden attributes. I might have had a guy in a save who was 20/20 speed with also average jumping reach that came close, but then the game was easier so its hard to compare them.
ZaZ said: I did a test with Haaland edited to play as AMC in Burnley, using Autumn. He was scoring over two goals per match. Expand
Obviously he's a physical monster. But what else do you think makes him so superior? In FM 23/24 I had him score 100 a season. Never had anything like it before or after him in a save.
It's telling that someone has to make things up and lie. I never said the most important attribute for a full back was stamina. I never said changing your mind was a sign of weakness. I did say stamina is an important attribute for DM's and full backs. I also said if you have carried out tests and not found Haaland to be the best in the game by some way, there is something wrong with your testing. If you fail to understand this then what else is there to discuss. Alongside unreliable testing methods I think you have a poor understanding of the game itself. I say this as you don't seem to grasp how good Haaland is. How superior.
Anyway if we look back multiple versions of football manager yes we knew that better defenders meant we scored more goals. Glad you've discovered this in 2026. It doesn't mean a goalkeeper is more important than outfield players. Again we all know if your players have 20/20 speed then every other attribute matters less. Because we have known for a long time that speed is so overpowered. We use the squad planner to see where we need to improve and roughly where we should finish with the highest and average.
A few pages back we have "Tactic is actually somewhat more important than attribute". Can't take anyone saying that seriously. I hope you change your mind on that as it's incorrect. It's more than reasonable for me and many others to believe that a lot of your testing has lead to incorrect results. I have given you some cast iron examples.
At least you were on the right track why stamina matters. You didn't quite join all the dots, but you weren't that far off. There's a part of me that thinks this whole thing is a cry for help. So I'll probably leave it there and let you carry on. But if it is then you should talk to someone.
Rain said: It's not that deep man you're on a forum trying to find better ways to cheat an already easy single player game like you said. If you don't agree just move on don't waste your time. Expand
It's a single player game and anyone can play it in any way they like. Sometimes I wanted to see how badly I could "cheat the game" and others I was happier to play slowly with my own tactics and only buying players recommended from my scouts. I also used python which I thought was far superior to genie scout. Setting a level 7 for speed.
If I feel someone is misleading others then I will say something. Or like a few years ago when someone was clearly bullying others on the forum I spoke up. Lockjaw probably loves free speech and he loves people sticking it to people and organisations. So I'm just joining in.
Anyone not finding Haaland isn't by far the best player in the game and declaring "Tactic is actually somewhat more important than attributes." Needs to really ask themselves how they got it so wrong. It shows unreliable testing methods and a poor understanding of methodology, or just testing in general. If that person also has a fragile personality they will just crack on regardless and take no notice, as they couldn't possibly be wrong. As we endlessly see.
Rain said: Instead of b*tching why don't you post your own testing results? Expand
Hi and many thanks for your interaction. I don't need to do my own testing when others have done it for me. Harvest green and the testing done by FM arena is good and reliable. It won't be 100% accurate but it seems as close as we might get. Having played FM24 too much and using their results to shape my ratings for genie scout, it's not hard to work out they are highly accurate. To make the game harder I would use a tactic that was rated approximately 10 points lower than the highest one by knapp. The game was still too easy. I can offer you some tips: dribbling is important for wingers, the sun is hot, anticipation is an attribute that is useful all over the pitch but slightly more so strikers, the sea is wet, your defenders should prioritise pace over acceleration slightly, you need to breath air to live, people still undervalue jumping reach it's the third highest point scorer on fm arena testing.
Lockjaw a page or two back claimed tactics are more important than attributes. Another howler. But not a surprise. This is the same person who didn't have Haaland as the best player in the game. How is that possible??? There's something very wrong there. But if you wish to follow this you are free to do so.
Again many thanks for your interaction and I looked forward to the next one.
You never answer any questions. How exactly is genie scout bugged? It clearly isn't. Just your ratings are awful and you don't understand how to use it. So you make a claim that it's broken as it couldn't possibly be anything to do with you.
Your understanding is really outdated.
Hahaha. How is it bugged exactly?
Because it has always worked fine for me. It still does. Both players and the club ratings.
Anything on the other points regarding how badly you rate players? Because using scoring that is accurate to how FM plays Mbappe would be the second to third highest rated player and Yamal would be better than Muller and Kanye on the wing.
Then we have Mbappe only rated 78/80 which is crazy and Yamal with a potential of only 75. He isn't the best rw in the game, but really 75?? Thomas Muller is rated higher than him for rw. How can this be serious? Kante is rated 74!!! Surely Yamal reaching his potential is better than those two?
How do you not understand this? Do you actually play the game?
The reason your ratings are so bad in genie scout is because they are. Blaming genie scout for your ratings is clutching for straws.
You have a very poor understanding of testing and Football Manager the game. Its ridiculous.
You realise a lot of people do things on youtube and its just for views?
Other people with a decent understanding of the game will also say your ratings are dreadful. I always thought you didn't really know what you were doing, you just rehashed a lot of other people’s work, but this is worse than I ever imagined.
Its also hilarious pointing out the difference between Haaland and Mbappe. You reckon??
Dribbling 52
Aggression 44
Anticipation 52
Composure 44
Concentration 52
Determination 56
Work Rate 44
Acceleration 60
Agility 40
Balance 48
Jumping Reach 52 (68 for DC & Target Man)
Pace 60
Stamina 52
GK:
Concentration 52
Determination 52
Acceleration 52
Agility 56
Jumping Reach 56
Pace 52
First Touch 52
Technique 52
Aerial Ability 56
Command of Area 48
Reflexes 44
For both:
Important Matches 52
Natural Fitness 48
Consistency 52
Pressure 52
Professionalism 52
I strongly caution against attempting to use those 5 last ones in Genie Scout, it's bugged. I tried and it had the opposite effect (bad personality = higher %, when other stats equal). Natural fitness is a visible attribute, but it functions different to the other visible ones in Genie Scout. Don't adjust other hiddens like injury proneness either, and you *may* have fairly accurate results in Genie Scout.
These are probably the worst set of numbers I've ever seen for genie scout. Again you don't understand the game, your testing is dreadful and I don't even understand how anyone can produce numbers like this. And it's for every player? Recently you ridiculed me for saying stamina is important and now you have it eight behind acceleration and pace. How is speed only set to 60??? Reflexes is the lowest attribute for keepers. Lower than metals, jumping reach and technique. This has to be a troll.
Nobody would be using these. Wingers and full backs don't need jumping reach. Mbappe and Salah will produce incredible numbers and they are both low.
You ignore the key/green attributes. Fastest players possible. Many attributes are useless
Look at these;
https://fm-arena.com/thread/14009-attribute-testing-football-manager-24/
https://fm-arena.com/thread/18816-fm24-i-re-tested-the-goalkeeper-s-attributes-using-newer-test-league/
https://fm-arena.com/thread/13685-current-24-4-latest-version-full-attribute-test-52000-match-samples/
You have also underrated other physicals
Jumping reach for keepers is basically irrelevant. It's tied to headers, whereas aerial reach is for catching the ball. Reflexes is the strongest attribute for a keeper. It's why older keepers who start in the game, Oblak for example, are still top, top keepers with lower agility.
Weights for genie scout? I dont think he did any. But they aren't hard to work out apart from keeper. You definitely shouldn't be giving every position the same weights though.
He challenges for more headers and wins most, he takes more shots and scores a lot more goals. He has high anticipation and other attributes that matter. But there is definitely something else about him. Maybe its a combination of all that and/or his hidden attributes. I might have had a guy in a save who was 20/20 speed with also average jumping reach that came close, but then the game was easier so its hard to compare them.
Obviously he's a physical monster. But what else do you think makes him so superior? In FM 23/24 I had him score 100 a season. Never had anything like it before or after him in a save.
Anyway if we look back multiple versions of football manager yes we knew that better defenders meant we scored more goals. Glad you've discovered this in 2026. It doesn't mean a goalkeeper is more important than outfield players. Again we all know if your players have 20/20 speed then every other attribute matters less. Because we have known for a long time that speed is so overpowered. We use the squad planner to see where we need to improve and roughly where we should finish with the highest and average.
A few pages back we have "Tactic is actually somewhat more important than attribute". Can't take anyone saying that seriously. I hope you change your mind on that as it's incorrect. It's more than reasonable for me and many others to believe that a lot of your testing has lead to incorrect results. I have given you some cast iron examples.
At least you were on the right track why stamina matters. You didn't quite join all the dots, but you weren't that far off. There's a part of me that thinks this whole thing is a cry for help. So I'll probably leave it there and let you carry on. But if it is then you should talk to someone.
It's a single player game and anyone can play it in any way they like. Sometimes I wanted to see how badly I could "cheat the game" and others I was happier to play slowly with my own tactics and only buying players recommended from my scouts. I also used python which I thought was far superior to genie scout. Setting a level 7 for speed.
If I feel someone is misleading others then I will say something. Or like a few years ago when someone was clearly bullying others on the forum I spoke up. Lockjaw probably loves free speech and he loves people sticking it to people and organisations. So I'm just joining in.
Anyone not finding Haaland isn't by far the best player in the game and declaring "Tactic is actually somewhat more important than attributes." Needs to really ask themselves how they got it so wrong. It shows unreliable testing methods and a poor understanding of methodology, or just testing in general. If that person also has a fragile personality they will just crack on regardless and take no notice, as they couldn't possibly be wrong. As we endlessly see.
Take it easy
Hi and many thanks for your interaction. I don't need to do my own testing when others have done it for me. Harvest green and the testing done by FM arena is good and reliable. It won't be 100% accurate but it seems as close as we might get. Having played FM24 too much and using their results to shape my ratings for genie scout, it's not hard to work out they are highly accurate. To make the game harder I would use a tactic that was rated approximately 10 points lower than the highest one by knapp. The game was still too easy. I can offer you some tips: dribbling is important for wingers, the sun is hot, anticipation is an attribute that is useful all over the pitch but slightly more so strikers, the sea is wet, your defenders should prioritise pace over acceleration slightly, you need to breath air to live, people still undervalue jumping reach it's the third highest point scorer on fm arena testing.
Lockjaw a page or two back claimed tactics are more important than attributes. Another howler. But not a surprise. This is the same person who didn't have Haaland as the best player in the game. How is that possible??? There's something very wrong there. But if you wish to follow this you are free to do so.
Again many thanks for your interaction and I looked forward to the next one.