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Gracolas said: You've just mentioned all the possible personalities, whereas i've asked for the best ones....

The most important personality attributes are Professional, Ambition and Determination.

So you can check the personality list I gave you and see which personality have the most important personality attributes at high level.

Obviously, Model Citizen is the best but it's a quite rare personality.
Obviously, you shouldn't expect a miracle from mentoring.

As I said, 1-3 seasons of mentoring and you might see 1-3 points changes.
ShiftLeft said: I do understand the concept, but how long until the mentee gets up to speed with the mentor and what kind of boost are we looking at +1,+2 and what kind of period (min, max)

It's random, it might take 1-2 seasons to move the personality attributes of the mentee by 1-2 points toward the personality attributes of the mentor.
Gracolas said: Im also interesting to see what our gurus from this forum can say about this topic.. I would also ask you guys what are the best personalities to be mentors? I know model citizen is the best one, but what about the others?





Player Personalities:
Spoiler Ambitious
Ambition 16-19, Loyalty 7-9
Determination <18, Professionalism <18, Leadership <19

Balanced
Balanced is pretty much anything that doesn't fall under another label. Also covers all negative personalities for real life players.

Born Leader
Leadership 20, Determination 20
This trumps the perfectionist trait, but not model citizen or temperamental.

Casual
Determination 1-9, Professionalism 2-4
Leadership<19, Temperament >4

Charismatic Leader
Leadership 19-20, Temperament18-20, Sportsmanship 18-20

Determined
Determination 18-20,
Ambition <12, Professionalism <18, Leader <19

Devoted
Ambition 6-7, Loyalty 20. *Must also be at a favourite club.
Determination 6-17, Professionalism <18, Leader <19

Driven
Determination 18-20, Ambition 12-20

Easily Discouraged
Determination 1, Ambition 1-9

Fairly Ambitious
Ambition 15-20, Loyalty 10-20
Professionalism <18, Leader <19

Fairly Determined
Determination 15-17
Professionalism <15, Leader <19

Fairly Loyal
Loyalty 15-20, Ambition 8-14
Determination 6-15, Professionalism <18, Leader <19

Fairly Professional
Professionalism 15-17, Temperament 11-20
or Professionalism 18-20, Temperamemt 1-10

Fairly Sporting
Sportsmanship 15-20, Determination 10-14, Ambition 1-14
Professionalism <15

Fickle
Loyalty 4-6, Ambition 16-20
Determination <17, Professionalism <18, Leader <19

Honest
Sportsmanship 20, Determination 1-9
Professionalism <18, Leader <19

Iron Willed
Pressure 20, Determination 15-17
Professionalism <18, Leader <19

Jovial
Pressure 15-20, Determination 1-17
Professionalism <18, Leader <19

Leader
Leadership 19-20

Light Hearted
Pressure 15-20, Sportsmanship 15-20
Determination <18, Professionalism <18, Leader <19

Low Determination
Determination 1-5
Professionalism <18, Leader <19

Low Self Belief
Professionalism 2-3, Determination 1-9
Professionalism <18, Leader <19

Loyal
Loyalty 18-19, Ambition 6-7
Determination <18, Professionalism <18, Leader <19

Mercenary
Loyalty 1-3, Ambition 16-20
Determination <18, Professionalism <18, Leader <19

Model Citizen
Determination 14-20, Professionalism 15-20, Ambition 12-20, Loyalty 15-20, Pressure 14-20, Sportsmanship 15-20, Temperament 15-20

Model Professional
Professionalism 20, Temperament 10-20

Perfectionist
Determination 14-20, Professionalism 14-20, Ambition 14-20

Professional
Professionalism 18-19, Temperament 10-20
Leader <19

Realist
Sportsmanship 2-5, Determination 11-17
Professionalism <18, Leader <19

Resiliant
Pressure 17-19, Determination 15-17
Professionalism <18, Leader <19

Resolute
Determination 15-17, Proffessionalism 15-17
Leader <19

Slack
Professionalism 1, Determination 1-9
Temperament >4, Leader <19

Spineless
Pressure 1, Determination 1-9
Leader <19

Spirited
Pressure 15-20, Professionalism 11-17
Determination <18, Leader <19

Sporting
Sportsmanship 18-19, Determination 1-9
Professionalism <18, Leader <19

Temperamental
Temperament 1-4, Professionalism 1-10
This personality trumps pretty much every single other one, so if they are not temperamental, they don't have these attributes.

Unambitious
Ambition 1-5, Loyalty 11-20
Determination <18, Professionalism <18, Leader <19

Unsporting
Sportsmanship 1, Determination 11-17
Professionalism <18, Leader <19

Very Ambitious
Ambition 20, Loyalty 7-9
Determination <18, Professionalism <18, Leader <19

Very Loyal
Loyalty 20, Ambition 6-7
Determination <18, Professionalism <18, Leader <19
I find that the Mentoring is quite useless thing because many conditions must be met to start mentoring but the effect is quite unpredictable.

The attributes below are personality attributes




When some reputable old player mentoring a young player that means that the personality attributes of the young player slowly move toward the value of the personality attributes of his mentor.

Also, he might learn some preferred moves traits from the mentor.
Newcastle, the 1st season

CBP87 said: I noticed that France were always in the top 3 of my test results. So I looked at the shape they were using and it was a 3412.

Here're some reasons why French team might do well:

- French team might have better players than other teams

- The AI manager of French team might have better attributes than other AI managers

- if the league plays 100 matches and you test without using FMRTE then teams with  a deep bench get an advantage so it might French team has 22 good players and other teams only 14-17 good players

- At the start the Team Cohesion of French team might be better than other teams have

There could be many other factors...
Delicious said: Do you remember what was your red and green value?

it's the same for every tactic and it depends on the matches played

640 matches played = -/+4 around the score

1,920 matches played = -/+3 around the score

5,760 matches played = -/+1 around the score
I've tried this with Arsenal





Delicious said: wat happened?!

I guess the translation for 4-3-3 would look like this

AMC -> MCL
DMCR -> MCR
DMCL -> DM
@Chocorelo19, to insert an attachment just use the insert button :)

NoManArmy said: Wow. That has to be the lowest result in the history... You sure you uploaded the correct version? Seems by your screeshot that it should work much better.

Nope, this is the lowest :D  = https://fm-arena.com/tactic/3478-5122-original/
Alan Bessa said: Man, it performed light years better in my tests and in Will's compared to the original. Didn't made much further here. Sorry if wasted time.

I really don't see how to can be "light years better" in Will's testing.

In Will's testing the original tactic had 1.71 PPG and the tweaked version 1.80 PPG

PPG = Points Per Game

Now if take the PPG and calculate what would be the result after 38 matches ( the way fm-arena does it ) then you get:

38 x 1.71 = 65 Pts

38 x 1.80 = 68 Pts

I really don't know how 65 pts vs 68 pts can be  "light years better"

Taking into consideration that Will tests only for 500 matches and he doesn't use FMRTE to exclude Condition and Morale changes and players rotation takes place, all that adds additional RNG to the result, which isn't less than +/- 5-7 points ( if we take 38 matches ).
Vanco said: what the hell is working actually? :getlost:

there are some instructions that actually make difference: mentalities, passing directness, tempo, pressing, counter and some other

but there's still a lot of instructions that seem do very little or nothing
WesleySniper said: The same tactic with the WestHammer_4231DM but Shadow Striker was replaced by an Advanced Forward.

yes, he said it was based on the westhammer tactic - https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/15364/
Hmm... is it me or tactics with 5 defenders doesn't look as a viable approach in FM23?
Tejash said: Any update after the full release?

The M.E. hasn't changed in the full release from the beta so all tactics should work the same

https://community.sigames.com/forums/topic/569294-official-football-manager-2023-feedback-thread/#comment-13794165
KevinZy said: Sorry mate, but may i know what skin you're using? Cheers

Hi,

It's "OPZ Elite 2023 Series I ver. 23.1.0"
my result with Arsenal