Zippo said: https://fm-arena.com/thread/2733-how-fm-arena-picks-tactics-for-the-testing/ Expand

I don't understand, what am I missing from the submission ?

senna said: IW attack and AM Attack
I like that..good attack results Expand

Yeah, playtesting the tactic saw the IWs bombing forward even when on support and 'hold position' so I thought meh just let them be attack then
AM is just an attempt to replace SS... Purely because it's easier to find players to fit the role LOL

Useless_v2_4-4-2
Hi FM-Arena team, please help to test 'Useless_v2_4-4-2'.
Team and Results as in the attached.

Tactic is a tweak from 'Useless_4-4-2', where I realized :
1) ACM : Wanted to see how a different role will perform, also opens up player pool availability since SS is a bit uncommon
2) IW (S) > IW (A)
3) IWB (A) > IWB (S)

crizeKOS said: @MemorizableUsername  take a look Expand

LOL ! What a coincidence, I'm testing a 5-2-3 spanner tactic now too... though not getting as close as this.
Could totally learn some stuff here

crizeKOS said: @MemorizableUsername I wonder if we would at least keep the score changing SS role with any role in the mid or even a support one in the attack trio. Expand

For example ?

That was quick ! Thank you !

Unreliable_4-3-3
Hi team, would appreciate your kind support to test a new tactic 'Unreliable_4-3-3'.
Team and Results as in the attached.

Tactic is a tweak from 'Useless_4-4-2', where I wasn't too happy with what the SS was bringing to the team.

Principally looks similar to Guardiola's ManC tactic with the exception of AF being traded for an Attacking Midfielder role, though this may work better

JesusOnEs said: Another holiday this time with Liverpool up until the WC break and best starting 11.
81 goals scored. 83% win rate. Expand

Sorry, that  loss against ManU is unacceptable

crizeKOS said: @MemorizableUsername
- 1 from IWB (A)
- 1  run at defense / IW PIs

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haha Expand

LOL ! Trying to figure out how to get the team to retain possession a littttleeee better now though, seems to be the tactic's most obvious weakness at the moment.

Sjel said: which attributes are the best for each role? thanks for sharing the tactic Expand

GK : GK reflexes
IWB + DM : Endurance (stamina)
Everyone else : Quickness (Pace & Acceleration)

3lueprint said: Quick question cause I am new to all this tactic stuff and google doesnt have the answer. Do inverted wing backs work better with players that have there strong foot to the opposing side to cut in like using inverted forwards? Expand

Good question ! While I have no conclusive proof, I don't think it matters :
1) The IWBs are not driving into the box or taking shots (nor do you want them to, cause they tend to have abysmal finishing)
2) They tend to make the simple pass to the IWs in front of them or long passes from deep

Personal simulations are with Liverpool, Trent on the right, Robertson on the left they get ~15-20 assists each per season.

Love your work in general! Really want to see this do well

Pip said: Would switching DM to DLP make any difference to this do you think? As per XMAS_twd variations?

Thanks Expand

Not much difference, entirely up to your personal preference and player availability. Ultimately most good DMs make good DLPs.

crizeKOS said: @MemorizableUsername did u test it with IWB on support? Expand

Less goals scored, conceded the same for some odd reason.
It could be bad RNG but early simulations with Liverpool saw them not challenging for the title by Oct/Nov... Normally we would be 1st/2nd by then

crizeKOS said: Useless_4-4-2_twkd

I made some changes on Useless_4-4-2 built by @MemorizableUsername:

- Removed 2 PIs from the IW (risk taken and shorter pass)
- Added da Half Back throug the middle
- Added stay wider for the BPD
- Removed the Cover role from one of the BPD
- Removed tackle harder from GK + back four + HB
- Removed low crosses Tactical Instruction

Ty once again Expand

Genuinely interested to see how this works out, some roles / PI I did was to address the 'Negative' feedback on the DataHub on things like
1) IWs were losing the ball very frequently
2) A lot of goals were conceded through the middle
3) I did try HB also, but the simulation results were bad (could be terrible RNG though)

pixar said: Attached is the included version of @ZaZ's set pieces to your tactic. Expand

Much appreciated !

Thank you FM-Arena for testing !

Yeah okay, I didn't expect the tweak to do score this high... Well at least we know the 4-4-2 diamond works with IW, which dramatically increases the player pool

Some pieces of advice :
1) Set Piece : This just uses the default set piece routine, so if you have one that works better definitely use it !
2) DM (Def) : As tested in 'its Christmas tweak 4', there is minimal difference between DM (Def) and DLP (Def), you can swap around... entirely depends on what player you have available

Also, like any other tactic this is not a magic bullet - It just helps them perform better / more consistently... Rather you should pick a tactic that suits your current team to bring the best out of them

Full credit to @crizeKOS for developing the framework for this

Unworkable_4-4-2
Hi admin, appreciate your help to test 'Unworkable_4-4-2' tactic.
It is a tweak from @Chocorelo19 'Prometheus', where the IF are moved to WM position to help in defense,

Ran 5 seasons (holiday, no transfer) as Liverpool, summary of results :
1) 4 x Premier League Winners (Average Points : 94)
2) 5 x Champions League Winners
3) 2 x FA Cup
4) 2 x EFL Cup
5) 4 x Community Shield (vs Man City)