ZaZ said: @Mark, my Leamington side just reached Premier League. It wasn't as easy as the other seasons, since I ended 5th and only got promoted on playoffs. I guess the final playoff was the most stressing match I played in a long while, with my team barely holding a 1-0 lead against a much stronger team. For reference, a single player from the worst team in Sky Bet Championship (second division in Englad) has the wage of my entire team. Expand
Wow - that is so impressive. DId you go up every season or did it take a few season at some levels
Yes, you can. I tested it during two entire seasons with Manchester City and the entire team was delighted with playtime even in the lowest possible option above surplus to requirements (youngster for under 21 players, emergency backup for the rest). I didn't test with surplus to requirements, but it should probably work as well. I also tested without the exploit and the number of players asking to improve contract was barely the same.
I would recommend this exploit for anyone that don't like managing the happiness of players and just wants to focus on playing football.
P.S.: To make it faster, you can select a big group of players and change the playtime to surplus to requirements, then back to starplayer, then back to the lowest agreed playtime. You need to do it in four different groups, because they have different options: goalkeepers under 21, goalkeepers over 21, line players under 21 and goalkeepers over 21. I didn't test with players at loan. Expand
ZaZ said: I removed the set pieces training since it was just added because of my current club's vision. Instead, I added two recovery sessions to reduce chance of injury during the season, but you can change it if you like. I'm not sure if it's the best training schedule, but at least it focuses in match benefits, happiness/cohesion/familiarity, injury prevention and the most important attributes. (P.S.3: Remember to set training intensity to double for players in excellent condition. That can be done in Training -> Rest.)
P.S.: Just got kicked from FA Cub by a team two divisions under me, playing at home. Before that, I won a match 10-0, so the players got complacent. =/
P.S.2: Do you feel the difference with Blue 2.2? Expand
I ran Blue 2.2 with my current save at the start of the game. Had a heap of friendlies arranged which I thought would give players a chance to get used to the tactic. St Albans were the worst ranked side in the comp, and I did a base line when I started which ended up 16th. Only 18 players in the squad so was always going to be hard to do well. In my real save I ended up bringing in a fair few decent young players. For this though, I just went on holidays and set it to not allow players to leave and to use Blue 2.2 tactics.
Results were very impressive. St Albans finished 2nd with 73 pts from their 40 League matches.
Home games were best and I think the 9 draws away could have been a bit unlucky. Went through and looked at all the draws and losses. St Albans had higher xG on 4 of the 7 losses and 9 of the 13 draws. I would call that unlucky not to have won the competition.
With the squad of just 18 players, the stats somehow covered 48 games, must be the cups as well. 10 of the players played 40 games plus as run on players. Shows they didn't have much depth.
I would call this a very good tactic for lower league underdog sides.
ZaZ said: I am currently trying two different set pieces. The first is very promising and gives me around +8 points per season, +10 goals for and -7 goals conceded. The second I just started collecting data, but gave me the highest points ever in a holiday test (might be just rng) anyway, gonna post below just for fun. 110 points in holiday mode is kinda sick.
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Wow. This looks like the kind of set up I need for next season in L2 with a semi pro team. Cant wait to try it
The results from the test overnight were comparable with the best of Phoenix. Wanted to go back to playing for a while so am using Blue 2.0 with the Blue 3.0 set pieces. 4 games in with second season St Albans and have consolidated top spot in the Vanarama National League winning 4 in a row with the set up all against sides favoured to beat us, 9 goals to 2. Happy to run with this for a while. Might get back to some testing later in the week but need to play before other priorities cut in.
If anyone else has tested any of the set pieces from this thread please let us know how they went. I see that quite a few have been downloaded
And this one seems to be working. It was well above the average of the other 2 best set piece routines. Motion best points total for a single run was 398 with an average of 372. Void best points total for a single run was 392 with an average of 359. My slight modification to Blue 2.1, I have called it Blue 3.0, was 383 (easily leading on averages). Scoring from corners. The best single run from any tactic was Void with 58 for the 5 sides for a single season. Blue 3.0 equaled that. Not much time in the next few days but now running Blue 3.0 with ZaZ Blue 2.0 instead of Pheonix to see how it goes overnight. I have corrected it against the set ups. This one seemed to change marginally.
As I wont be posting tomorrow, here is the tactic if you want to test @ZaZ
I am up to my third test incorporating a more attacking corner tactic. If this one fails I wont be able to test again for a couple of days. I do still think your current Blue 2.1 will turn out to be the best @ZaZ
ZaZ said: @Mark, can you test this, please, and tell me how it compares to others? You can also modify it if you find some improvement. Set pieces are a frankenstein using routines from fireball, phoenix, motion, void and blue.
P.S.: I am re-running the tests, to make sure I didn't overtrain to the save file I was using. Expand
Final results just behind Motion, but still thinking that bizarre Leyton result impacted. I shall definitely be using Blue 2.1. I have now tested 13 set piece routines. Blue 2.1 is easily the best scoring from free kicks, second best defending corners, third best defending free kicks, and just below average scoring from corners. I left out a few of the worst tactics. Here is the updated table.
ZaZ said: @Mark, can you test this, please, and tell me how it compares to others? You can also modify it if you find some improvement. Set pieces are a frankenstein using routines from fireball, phoenix, motion, void and blue.
P.S.: I am re-running the tests, to make sure I didn't overtrain to the save file I was using. Expand
Looks very impressive. There was a minor problem. Very impressive in 4 of the 5 Divisions. Going well with Leyton Orient for the first dozen games and then had a heap of injuries. Dropped down to 15th and got sacked 2/3 the way through the season so no stats. If I take them out and remove the worst result from other tactics, Blue 2.1 is well on top. The other runs will be interesting. Another one going now. Still only just behind Motion and second overall as is.
ZaZ said: It will be more precise if you run on phoenix, like the others, but also extra work if one or other position is off. Expand
Looks like the positions align. Checked a few to make sure. Running the first test now. They take around an hour each. Will let you know how it looks after the first run but hard to draw conclusions until all 3 have run.
ZaZ said: @Mark, can you test this, please, and tell me how it compares to others? You can also modify it if you find some improvement. Set pieces are a frankenstein using routines from fireball, phoenix, motion, void and blue.
P.S.: I am re-running the tests, to make sure I didn't overtrain to the save file I was using. Expand
Do you want me to load the set pieces routine from this and run it in Phoenix like the other tests or just run it as is?
ZaZ said: Just added Blue 2.1 to the table, which is how I am calling the version of Blue 2.0 with improved set @Mark, what set pieces worked better for you for attacking free kicks and defending corners? Expand
Not much between Motion and Void in scoring from free kicks and Fireball was easily the best for defending corners.
ZaZ said: I currently have 28 players in my team. Two for each position, plus one goalkeeper, one defender, striker, midfielder (training as DM) and one winger in each side (training as DL/R). Basically, I rotate two teams of 22 players equally (one match each) and use the other 5 as reserves for both teams, so everyone gets play time. The third goalkeeper plays on Trophy Cup, no matter the team.
In the middle of the season, I usually lower everyone's agrees play time to minimum, then try to increase until they drop their worry. That makes them expect as least playtime as possible.
P.S.: I also took some time to get rid of players other than those 28. I managed to sell some, loan some, but one stayed and didn't want to leave, so I just terminated his contract paying the full salary. I will show my team later, but now there are some experiments running. I am using only one player from the youth category, one reserve striker. I also hired more scouts, so I know my players even without a scouting package, and convinced the board to add two more coaches.
P.S.2: My defensive set pieces suck so bad... Expand
Do you equal out the 2 sides or play an A Team and a B Team. Equal out might involve best left winger and 2nd best right winger, best SS and 4th best SS in one side, then 2nd and 3rd best SS and best right winger and 2nd best left winger in the other?
I tested Motion and Viola. Motion is our best so far and cant seem to beat it. Viola wasnt far off. If they are the same it could be the structural change into Phoenix tactic that differed. I tried to adjust the ones that had a different structure.
Wow - that is so impressive. DId you go up every season or did it take a few season at some levels
Thanks - that works
Yes, you can. I tested it during two entire seasons with Manchester City and the entire team was delighted with playtime even in the lowest possible option above surplus to requirements (youngster for under 21 players, emergency backup for the rest). I didn't test with surplus to requirements, but it should probably work as well. I also tested without the exploit and the number of players asking to improve contract was barely the same.
I would recommend this exploit for anyone that don't like managing the happiness of players and just wants to focus on playing football.
P.S.: To make it faster, you can select a big group of players and change the playtime to surplus to requirements, then back to starplayer, then back to the lowest agreed playtime. You need to do it in four different groups, because they have different options: goalkeepers under 21, goalkeepers over 21, line players under 21 and goalkeepers over 21. I didn't test with players at loan.
Where do you select the player groups from?
P.S.: Just got kicked from FA Cub by a team two divisions under me, playing at home. Before that, I won a match 10-0, so the players got complacent. =/
P.S.2: Do you feel the difference with Blue 2.2?
I ran Blue 2.2 with my current save at the start of the game. Had a heap of friendlies arranged which I thought would give players a chance to get used to the tactic. St Albans were the worst ranked side in the comp, and I did a base line when I started which ended up 16th. Only 18 players in the squad so was always going to be hard to do well. In my real save I ended up bringing in a fair few decent young players. For this though, I just went on holidays and set it to not allow players to leave and to use Blue 2.2 tactics.
Results were very impressive. St Albans finished 2nd with 73 pts from their 40 League matches.
Home games were best and I think the 9 draws away could have been a bit unlucky. Went through and looked at all the draws and losses. St Albans had higher xG on 4 of the 7 losses and 9 of the 13 draws. I would call that unlucky not to have won the competition.
With the squad of just 18 players, the stats somehow covered 48 games, must be the cups as well. 10 of the players played 40 games plus as run on players. Shows they didn't have much depth.
I would call this a very good tactic for lower league underdog sides.
All his tactics are in the Opening Post. Go to page 1 and the bottom of the first post
Test with highest ranked and lowest ranked side in Vanarama South
Worth testing in this new 21.6 ME world
Wow. This looks like the kind of set up I need for next season in L2 with a semi pro team. Cant wait to try it
If anyone else has tested any of the set pieces from this thread please let us know how they went. I see that quite a few have been downloaded
Thanks in advance
As I wont be posting tomorrow, here is the tactic if you want to test @ZaZ
P.S.: I am re-running the tests, to make sure I didn't overtrain to the save file I was using.
Final results just behind Motion, but still thinking that bizarre Leyton result impacted. I shall definitely be using Blue 2.1. I have now tested 13 set piece routines. Blue 2.1 is easily the best scoring from free kicks, second best defending corners, third best defending free kicks, and just below average scoring from corners. I left out a few of the worst tactics. Here is the updated table.
Thanks for all your work @ZaZ.
P.S.: I am re-running the tests, to make sure I didn't overtrain to the save file I was using.
Looks very impressive. There was a minor problem. Very impressive in 4 of the 5 Divisions. Going well with Leyton Orient for the first dozen games and then had a heap of injuries. Dropped down to 15th and got sacked 2/3 the way through the season so no stats. If I take them out and remove the worst result from other tactics, Blue 2.1 is well on top. The other runs will be interesting. Another one going now. Still only just behind Motion and second overall as is.
Looks like the positions align. Checked a few to make sure. Running the first test now. They take around an hour each. Will let you know how it looks after the first run but hard to draw conclusions until all 3 have run.
P.S.: I am re-running the tests, to make sure I didn't overtrain to the save file I was using.
Do you want me to load the set pieces routine from this and run it in Phoenix like the other tests or just run it as is?
@Mark, what set pieces worked better for you for attacking free kicks and defending corners?
Not much between Motion and Void in scoring from free kicks and Fireball was easily the best for defending corners.
Great work mate
In the middle of the season, I usually lower everyone's agrees play time to minimum, then try to increase until they drop their worry. That makes them expect as least playtime as possible.
P.S.: I also took some time to get rid of players other than those 28. I managed to sell some, loan some, but one stayed and didn't want to leave, so I just terminated his contract paying the full salary. I will show my team later, but now there are some experiments running. I am using only one player from the youth category, one reserve striker. I also hired more scouts, so I know my players even without a scouting package, and convinced the board to add two more coaches.
P.S.2: My defensive set pieces suck so bad...
Do you equal out the 2 sides or play an A Team and a B Team. Equal out might involve best left winger and 2nd best right winger, best SS and 4th best SS in one side, then 2nd and 3rd best SS and best right winger and 2nd best left winger in the other?
I tested Motion and Viola. Motion is our best so far and cant seem to beat it. Viola wasnt far off. If they are the same it could be the structural change into Phoenix tactic that differed. I tried to adjust the ones that had a different structure.