ZaZ said: I am still going on with Leamington. Won Vanarama North and the Trophy in first year, and now I am leading Vanarama National, but got kicked out of the Trophy already. Finances are great since I got lots of money from FA Cup against Manchester United. I lost, but got 1.5m from gate receipts. Now I have over 2m in projected balance and I am upgrading training and youth facilities. However, the board asked me to become stabilished before becoming professional. We can afford it, but the president is not ambitious enough.
P.S.: As a tip, always remove all clauses and bonuses when renewing contracts. You can pay less in a year if you remove those bonus for picked or unused sub. Some clauses and bonus allow to pay less in the long run, but I just remove everything anyway. Expand
I somehow ended up with too many left wingers. The young one I had came good and was faster than the ones I had signed. So the older ones not playing are upsetting the squad and are unhappy. Cant seem to get rid of them. I will use the tip as I am just about to start looking for players for next season. I have $260k, but am just under the wage budget and have just $20k transfer budget. Really hard managing the workload of the players in the middle of the season. Mainly all young players
Smashed by Burton (L1) in round 1 of FA Cup and just about to play our first FA Trophy game.
ZaZ said: I just started collecting data. I set Blue with Play For Set Pieces and will do five runs of each set piece, collecting data like points, goals scored, goals conceded, assists from corners, free kicks and throw ins, goals from free kicks and goals conceded from the same things. Then I will pick the median (3rd best) from each stat to decide the best. This will give me a base setup for the set pieces, which I will then try to improve with experiments, trying to understand why it works well. Expand
I didn't think about setting to play for set pieces, great idea. I might progress my current save with Blue 2.0 and Motion and keep an eye out for your results. I am in my second season with St Albans and won the South comp last year and now leading the Vanarama National League in early December. Very tight at the top though. Finances aren't great, no likelihood of turning pro and cant attract decent players or staff. Going to need every advantage I can get from Blue and set pieces just to stay up if I get through to League 2
@ZaZ I tried two hybrid versions of set pieces and neither advanced the Motion or Void set pieces. So I think I am now down to just testing those 2 and the Phoenix one in ZaZ Blue 2. Might also try the two hybrids as well - MDW above and another.
The hybrids seem to be working ok in my save game though
Fair enough. I looked up their current role abilities on FM Scout. I might revert back to the standard Blue if the positional changes dont make much difference.
I will be interested to see how you go with set piece experiments.
ta2199 said: I think I have tried that but It doesn't make much diff with Winger and CD Expand
My squad has very much higher ratings for roles for those positions. But you are probably right.
ZaZ said: I didn't know my set pieces were that bad. I mean, it's not bad, but the set pieces from Void, Phoenix and Motion seem much better. Are you making extra experiments on those three to avoid statistical noise? I am just waiting for your final results to update my tactics and give you credits. Expand
I am not sure whether there is that much certainty in this stuff. The tests seem to be quite variable. I will see how it plays in my save using the modified version and then test later in the week. Was just a bit of fun looking at it all and then comparing the ones that seemed better against the ones that appeared not to be good. Didnt pay much attention to the ones in the middle.
And here is my modified version of set pieces that I am using with my modified version of ZaZ Blue 2.0 where I have changed the Central Defenders to CD Defend and the Wingers to Wingers Support to suit my team. Working well so far
Only 3 set piece routines worth looking at to be honest, Motion, Void and Phoenix. I am running with Void with a few modifications, I think statistically it looks more solid. Wont get a chance to test it all more for a week or so so wont post an update until then.
I wont be doing Knap or Killer as they look too similar to some of the other set piece routines. I have added the FM19 one suggested by Madundwa, because I loved FM19 so much. That makes it ten routines. SP God is done, TFF last run is just going, and I should get through Void tonight. Havent downloaded the results yet but will probably do that depending on how exciting the Australian Open tennis is. It is not easy being an Aussie all round sportsman. That will leave FM19, and the best 3 tactics of ZaZ Blue, rerun Phoenix under this set up and Viola.
Just a quick update. Might have some more initial results tomorrow.
ZaZ said: Team Report -> Analyst Report -> Scoring/Conceding -> Assists. You need a performance analyst, though. The lower teams probably don't have and didn't collect that data. Expand
I think I can access this info for most if not all the teams but cant download the data - so will have to be a manual process at the end. I agree that his info is definitely of interest in the analysis and may allow a mix and match of best types of set pieces.
ZaZ said: Make sure to divide the table in assists from throw ins, corners and free kicks, as well as direct goals from free kicks. If possible, do so for both goals scored and conceded, so we can analyze attack and defense. Some set piece can be better for corners but worse for free kicks, for example.
P.S.: Instead of using absolute number of assists by set pieces, it's probably better to use the % of total goals, to make it more precise. Expand
Where can I source this information. I have all the game saves from the end of each season
I have done 10 test runs so far, all across 5 Divisions. I am doing 3 test runs across 5 Divisions for each Set Piece Routine, only using the Set Piece Routine on the lowest ranked team of each Division. I have definitely ruled out using Lie Cheat Steal as it returned 20% less points per game than the current leader. Also going to exclude Fireball which 8% below current leader. Motion is the current leader and sits 5% above the base Phoenix results. The tests continue.
Madundwa said: Sorry to go off-topic boss, I don't know whether it was a fluke, or have you tested on this fm21, your pyramid long-throw setup from fm19? I just managed to score 3 goals in one match using the Rego long throw, the first time I tried it on the latest fm21 patch. Expand
ZaZ said: The more the players get affinity to this tactic, the worse they play. They won matches with @Mark because they didn't know the tactic yet. Expand
I am back to playing Blue and working on finding the best set piece to go with it
Ok, I think I will try them in the save I had testing lower league management. All the Set Pieces are coming from the successful tactics for FM21 on FM Arena. The are very much all similar with most being 4-1-3-2 strikerless and a few 4-1-2-3 strikerless. Mainly MC moving to AMC. I will adjust where positioning/roles are substantially different. I understand the complexities on role and duties but will see what it throws up and then test the winner in my real save or against the lower league management save I had with Viola and ZaZ Blue. On the comments from @ZaZ, I think have the same team means these things would even out. Anyhow, still keen to see if any of the set pieces deliver a dominant result after 3 runs in 5 divisions for each routine versus the original Phoenix v3.0 results. Let me know if you want to know the results
Zippo said: I find that testing Set Pieces is a highly complicated thing to do. You can't just take one tactic set pieces and put them into some other tactic and expect to see it works the same in both tactics. I can tell you it doesn't work this way and if you try to do that then you'll end up with a complete mess because Set Pieces are tied to the formation/roles/duties so you have to tune them for every tactic and you must be good at doing that and understand what are you doing so it requires a lot of efforts and knowledge. Expand
Fair enough. I thought it was worth a punt as there really are no forums on this around, unlike my last game which was FM19 which had a set piece flaw with throw ins
All rated pretty highly. Put Knap in as the first non strikerless tactic.
Also included TFF as many used his set pieces early on, and one that claimed to have the best set pieces on FM Scout (Lie Cheat Steal) plus my interpretation of the set pieces from SP God.
P.S.: As a tip, always remove all clauses and bonuses when renewing contracts. You can pay less in a year if you remove those bonus for picked or unused sub. Some clauses and bonus allow to pay less in the long run, but I just remove everything anyway.
I somehow ended up with too many left wingers. The young one I had came good and was faster than the ones I had signed. So the older ones not playing are upsetting the squad and are unhappy. Cant seem to get rid of them. I will use the tip as I am just about to start looking for players for next season. I have $260k, but am just under the wage budget and have just $20k transfer budget. Really hard managing the workload of the players in the middle of the season. Mainly all young players
Smashed by Burton (L1) in round 1 of FA Cup and just about to play our first FA Trophy game.
I didn't think about setting to play for set pieces, great idea. I might progress my current save with Blue 2.0 and Motion and keep an eye out for your results. I am in my second season with St Albans and won the South comp last year and now leading the Vanarama National League in early December. Very tight at the top though. Finances aren't great, no likelihood of turning pro and cant attract decent players or staff. Going to need every advantage I can get from Blue and set pieces just to stay up if I get through to League 2
The hybrids seem to be working ok in my save game though
I will be interested to see how you go with set piece experiments.
My squad has very much higher ratings for roles for those positions. But you are probably right.
ZaZ said: I didn't know my set pieces were that bad. I mean, it's not bad, but the set pieces from Void, Phoenix and Motion seem much better. Are you making extra experiments on those three to avoid statistical noise? I am just waiting for your final results to update my tactics and give you credits.
I am not sure whether there is that much certainty in this stuff. The tests seem to be quite variable. I will see how it plays in my save using the modified version and then test later in the week. Was just a bit of fun looking at it all and then comparing the ones that seemed better against the ones that appeared not to be good. Didnt pay much attention to the ones in the middle.
UPDATE: Did not test well
Only 3 set piece routines worth looking at to be honest, Motion, Void and Phoenix. I am running with Void with a few modifications, I think statistically it looks more solid. Wont get a chance to test it all more for a week or so so wont post an update until then.
Just a quick update. Might have some more initial results tomorrow.
I think I can access this info for most if not all the teams but cant download the data - so will have to be a manual process at the end. I agree that his info is definitely of interest in the analysis and may allow a mix and match of best types of set pieces.
P.S.: Instead of using absolute number of assists by set pieces, it's probably better to use the % of total goals, to make it more precise.
Where can I source this information. I have all the game saves from the end of each season
https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/3307/ Ca
Not yet but it has been added to the list
Can you upload the throw in tactic from FM19?
I am back to playing Blue and working on finding the best set piece to go with it
Fair enough. I thought it was worth a punt as there really are no forums on this around, unlike my last game which was FM19 which had a set piece flaw with throw ins
Phoenix 3.0
ZaZ Blue 2.0
Viola V1
Fireball Stepback
Killer
Motion
Void
Knap Holy Ghost
All rated pretty highly. Put Knap in as the first non strikerless tactic.
Also included TFF as many used his set pieces early on, and one that claimed to have the best set pieces on FM Scout (Lie Cheat Steal) plus my interpretation of the set pieces from SP God.