GeorgeFloydOverdosed said: ... and no DM-as-AML positional exploits (though I have in the end, made certain players dual position such as DR/L and AMR/L which has 0 CA cost). Expand
@Zippo is there an update on the "Precision of Test" numbers. This tactic was tested at 5400 matches and the precision numbers are the same as tactics tested at 1350 matches ie +/- 2 PTS | +/- 2 GF | +/- 2 GA.
Based on the top rated Argus tactic. Tried to give the defence a bit more rigidity by moving from one CB staying back to 2. This is through changing the OCBs to BCBs and the BCB to a ACB. Now the middle CB goes forward and the other 2 remain. OOP I have moved the Wingers to WCMs.
Used my normal testing League with one side from all the English Leagues. 6 won their Leagues comfortably and Burnley finished 6th. Probably the best results I have had in my test league.
Based on the current best Argus tactic. Moved the SS forward to Striker. Tried to give the defence a bit more rigidity by moving from one CB staying back to 2. This is through changing the OCBs to BCBs and the BCB to a ACB. Now the middle CB goes forward and the other 2 remain. OOP I have moved the Wingers to WCMs.
Used my normal testing League with one side from all the English Leagues. 6 were promoted (2 wins, 2 seconds, a 4th and a 7th) and Burnley finished 12th.
Mark said: I took a striker version of the meta tactic and removed the PIs, where possible. Then had the tactic tested using all the mentalities.
The following are the results:
Most Points was Positive, most goals was Very Attacking, least goals conceded was Defensive, most goal difference was Very Attacking.
In the words of Roy and HG, take from that what you will. Expand
Mark said: I took a striker version of the meta tactic and removed the PIs, where possible. Then had the tactic tested using all the mentalities.
The following are the results:
Most Points was Positive, most goals was Very Attacking, least goals conceded was Defensive, most goal difference was Very Attacking.
In the words of Roy and HG, take from that what you will. Expand
After a fair bit of time testing and thinking about my strategy I have settled on the following 3 tactics for this save:
I am looking for 3 tactics that are different but easily interchangeable and adaptable. Slot 1 is Closer v95. This will be the only non striker formation so will be in this slot to get the most training/familiarisation but wont be used very often.
The main tactic will be the most used and will be based on my MDW 343 Standard Pos tactic but using Closer v95 with no PIs. This means the only real change outside of the PIs will be AM SS to ST CHF. ST will quickly learn the AM role.
The 3rd tactic will a version of the main tactic will standardise TIs to drop the amount of fatigue. So no positional change from the main tactic.
All of these tactics will allow you easily to change from Positive to Vaery Attacking or Balance or Defensive depending on what you are after.
I have looked to make a tactic that I can use when I get a decent lead that will not fatigue the players and not concede many goals. This based on my MDW 343 Standard Bal tactic with no PIs and has reduced most of the TIs back to standard.
I dont expect it to rate at the top but I am hoping it wont drop too far below the base tactic.
I am using the same testing structure as my previous tests, 1 unfancied team from each English Division from Enterprise South through to EPL. These are holiday tests with no transfers.
Results were better than I had expected. The 2 league winners, 2 2nd placings, 2 4th placings and Burnley finished 10th in EPL. Defensively it seemed to be pretty solid, which is what I was after. Results below are from Burnley.
RMHenry said: I want to know if the current best tactic on the tactics testing results is also the best tactic for the women's game or if the engine makes women play different to the men? Expand
My save is Ebbsfleet mens plus Canberra United womens. I am using the same hiring strategy and tactics for both and they are both unbeaten this season. I cant see substantial difference. They are both beating sides rated well above them.
Cityzens said: Thank you for the answers. I have one more question: How correct is it to play a player in a position other than their best position? Will their performance decrease significantly? For example, if their skill level in that position is less than 20 Expand
There is around a 2.5% cost in performance per point below 20/20 position. But if you play them there they will increase their position rating. You can play a striker as and AM SS for example. They will get competent reasonably quickly.
Cityzens said: Should I play plug-and-play or the Hall of Fame top-rated team? I'm torn if I have to choose between them; they're similar except one doesn't have a striker. Expand
I think any tactic within 5 or so points of the top tactic will still be overpowering. I still using my 343 striker tactic with positive mentality and have gone 60% through the season unbeaten. I combine it with the top rated tactic which only moves the striker back to AM SS when I go behind and want to claw baqck a goal, and move to a light balanced version of the striker tactic to save player fatigue if I go a couple of goals up.
Cityzens said: Which tactic is stronger: plug-and-play tactics or the one with the highest overall score in the tactics table? What is the difference between them? Expand
Plug and play you should be able to use with most squads. Other tactics might require you to retrain positions or or buy in players to match the tactic.
As per the Opening Post I didnt use any PIs only default ones where I was unable to delete them. I was only using this process to see the diference between the Mentalities.
EternalBlizzard said: Hi I have an interesting question! If I were doing a moneyball save where I look at statistics rather than purely attributes, what statistics should I be looking at for each position? Things like dribbles/90, goals expected/90 things like that. Thank you! Expand
Look up MustermannFM on youtube. He has a number of moneyball saves and talks through how to download key information to Excel and gives examples of usage.
Some more tweaks to the defensive tactic to try and get it possession based and focussed on not conceding goals.
Still no PIs.
I am using the same testing structure as my previous tests, 1 unfancied team from each English Division from Enterprise South through to EPL. These are holiday tests with no transfers.
My results for this version were promising with 5 League winners, one sixth and Burnley finished 16th in EPL. This time showing Derby as Shrewsbury were a failure.
Hoping to still get around the 76 points but have less goals conceded.
I typed the wrong thing into the tactic name. Anyhow this is trying to improve the goal scoring on the Very Attacking tactic from my Mentality testing tactic. I used it as the base and made some tweaks with inspiration from the 325 OCB tactic. Left the front 3 but moved the WBs to Wingers, so right wide attacking midfielder changed to IF, and changed the midfielders to CMs. Stuck to no PIs.
I am using the same testing structure as my previous tests, 1 unfancied team from each English Division from Enterprise South through to EPL. These are holiday tests with no transfers.
My results for this version were 4 League winners, one second, one fourth and Burnley finished 7th in EPL.
An extension of my Mentality testing, with the original Defensive version of my Mentality testing tactic using a striker tactic based on Argus without PIs. I am looking to get a park the bus tactic by improving the Defensive version incorporating some of the team instructions from Bread's tactic without using PIs and trying to stick close to the original tactic.
Seems to be pretty solid at the back, hoping we will concede less goals than the 37 from my original defensive tactic and no lose to much in terms of points (76 pts).
I am using the same testing structure as my previous tests, 1 unfancied team from each English Division from Enterprise South through to EPL. These are holiday tests with no transfers.
My results for this version were 4 League winners, 2 seconds and Burnley very disappointing and relegated after finishing 19th in EPL. Burnley did however perform pretty well defensively.
I find it interesting that Attacking seems to dominate in the top tactics at the moment. I am having great results with the balanced version of this tactic
I think it would be interesting to see how the top tactics would go as Positive or Very Attacking.
I might yet try some variations on this tactic at a later date, but will now get back to my save.
Hopefully this has made a few people think about mentality.
What is the DM as AMl exploit?
Used my normal testing League with one side from all the English Leagues. 6 won their Leagues comfortably and Burnley finished 6th. Probably the best results I have had in my test league.
Holiday mode no transfers.
Defence was pretty solid.
Used my normal testing League with one side from all the English Leagues. 6 were promoted (2 wins, 2 seconds, a 4th and a 7th) and Burnley finished 12th.
Holiday mode no transfers.
Defence was pretty solid.
The following are the results:
Most Points was Positive, most goals was Very Attacking, least goals conceded was Defensive, most goal difference was Very Attacking.
In the words of Roy and HG, take from that what you will.
Mark said: I took a striker version of the meta tactic and removed the PIs, where possible. Then had the tactic tested using all the mentalities.
The following are the results:
Most Points was Positive, most goals was Very Attacking, least goals conceded was Defensive, most goal difference was Very Attacking.
In the words of Roy and HG, take from that what you will.
After a fair bit of time testing and thinking about my strategy I have settled on the following 3 tactics for this save:
I am looking for 3 tactics that are different but easily interchangeable and adaptable. Slot 1 is Closer v95. This will be the only non striker formation so will be in this slot to get the most training/familiarisation but wont be used very often.
The main tactic will be the most used and will be based on my MDW 343 Standard Pos tactic but using Closer v95 with no PIs. This means the only real change outside of the PIs will be AM SS to ST CHF. ST will quickly learn the AM role.
The 3rd tactic will a version of the main tactic will standardise TIs to drop the amount of fatigue. So no positional change from the main tactic.
All of these tactics will allow you easily to change from Positive to Vaery Attacking or Balance or Defensive depending on what you are after.
I am now using this structure successfully.
I dont expect it to rate at the top but I am hoping it wont drop too far below the base tactic.
I am using the same testing structure as my previous tests, 1 unfancied team from each English Division from Enterprise South through to EPL. These are holiday tests with no transfers.
Results were better than I had expected. The 2 league winners, 2 2nd placings, 2 4th placings and Burnley finished 10th in EPL. Defensively it seemed to be pretty solid, which is what I was after. Results below are from Burnley.
The following are the results:
Most Points was Positive, most goals was Very Attacking, least goals conceded was Defensive, most goal difference was Very Attacking.
In the words of Roy and HG, take from that what you will.
My save is Ebbsfleet mens plus Canberra United womens. I am using the same hiring strategy and tactics for both and they are both unbeaten this season. I cant see substantial difference. They are both beating sides rated well above them.
How to get your tactic tested
There is around a 2.5% cost in performance per point below 20/20 position. But if you play them there they will increase their position rating. You can play a striker as and AM SS for example. They will get competent reasonably quickly.
Cityzens said: Should I play plug-and-play or the Hall of Fame top-rated team? I'm torn if I have to choose between them; they're similar except one doesn't have a striker.
I think any tactic within 5 or so points of the top tactic will still be overpowering. I still using my 343 striker tactic with positive mentality and have gone 60% through the season unbeaten. I combine it with the top rated tactic which only moves the striker back to AM SS when I go behind and want to claw baqck a goal, and move to a light balanced version of the striker tactic to save player fatigue if I go a couple of goals up.
Plug and play you should be able to use with most squads. Other tactics might require you to retrain positions or or buy in players to match the tactic.
As per the Opening Post I didnt use any PIs only default ones where I was unable to delete them. I was only using this process to see the diference between the Mentalities.
As it says in the OP no PIs. Only the compulsory ones that I couldnt get rid of. The whole point was testing mentality
Look up MustermannFM on youtube. He has a number of moneyball saves and talks through how to download key information to Excel and gives examples of usage.
Unfortunately I dont think i will get the time to do it this year
Still no PIs.
I am using the same testing structure as my previous tests, 1 unfancied team from each English Division from Enterprise South through to EPL. These are holiday tests with no transfers.
My results for this version were promising with 5 League winners, one sixth and Burnley finished 16th in EPL. This time showing Derby as Shrewsbury were a failure.
Hoping to still get around the 76 points but have less goals conceded.
I am using the same testing structure as my previous tests, 1 unfancied team from each English Division from Enterprise South through to EPL. These are holiday tests with no transfers.
My results for this version were 4 League winners, one second, one fourth and Burnley finished 7th in EPL.
Seems to be pretty solid at the back, hoping we will concede less goals than the 37 from my original defensive tactic and no lose to much in terms of points (76 pts).
I am using the same testing structure as my previous tests, 1 unfancied team from each English Division from Enterprise South through to EPL. These are holiday tests with no transfers.
My results for this version were 4 League winners, 2 seconds and Burnley very disappointing and relegated after finishing 19th in EPL. Burnley did however perform pretty well defensively.
Results:
I find it interesting that Attacking seems to dominate in the top tactics at the moment. I am having great results with the balanced version of this tactic
I think it would be interesting to see how the top tactics would go as Positive or Very Attacking.
I might yet try some variations on this tactic at a later date, but will now get back to my save.
Hopefully this has made a few people think about mentality.