I will look into it at the first opportunity. Although you don't have to make the changes yourself, all I would ask is that you write down in bullet points the changes you'd like me to look at, although with what you've said so far, I think I've got a rough idea of what you saw and what you've found strange.
I'll wait for you to tell me, I'll look at them and then I'll tell you. Also these are the feedbacks that help me to develop the testing league.
Thank you very much! Expand
here is my updated save file. I do note that there is still a discrepancy in CA even where all the stats are the same
@dzek I have found a few anomalies in the positional setup. I will fix it tonight and send an updated link that you can use to replace the existing one with. Rather than talking you through it and making more work for you I thought I would help out. Please let me know if that is ok. All defenders look fine. Some of the DMs either don't have MC or AMC and have ST instead. Some of the wingers don't have both sides or ST. Some of the ST don't have wingers. Some of the attributes are marginally different.
As the title says, is there anyone who wants to download my test league since I haven't been testing tactics as much as I'd like lately? My goal has always been to help the community, not necessarily to be the first and best.
If there are enough people interested I will post the link here publicly for anyone who wants to download it.
I had a bit of a play with my first go at it and moved the left AM out to an IF. The Mez stayed but the DM Sup moved to DM Def. Also changed the CF to a PF Sup.
Also removed Get Stuck In and Pass into Space TIs.
The same test league and teams as the first tactic
I have been a bit keen for a while to try and come up with a reasonable 4222 tactic. I was glad to see one get up there with the Box Levante tactic by @Chris.
Fundamentally I moved the the IF to a second AM and one of the DMs forward to a CM Mez Sup.
I used my standard 3 divisions with 2 sides in each. I will show all the data from Man City and you can see the tables from the other Divisions. In summary, 2 winners, 2 seconds and 2 fifths. Not bad from the likes of Kidderminster and Wolves finishing 5th.
For what it is worth both ykykyky and MDW22 rate Odrizola as the better of the two assuming their DR positional ratings are both 20/20. Calculating them manually using ykykyky I have Odrizola 78.77% and Wembangomo 75.75%, and using MDW22 I make it Odrizola 78.60% and Wembangomo 73.73%.
This tactic owes a lot to the RedGen tactic by @CSTG KANE. I thought I would try and transform it into a 343 asymmetrical tactic. Unfortunately I forgot to change the name so it still says 424.
I moved one of the ST back to AM Att, the right winger back to MR IW Sup and the left back up to WB WB Att. To cover for the loss of a defender I placed one of the DMs to DM Def in the hope that he would cover when the WB went forward. I changed the other DM to Vol Su to try and get more attacking chances.
I used my normal testing teams. Highlights were Man City going close to winning everything and scoring 117 goals and 103 points. Missed out on CL by going down to PSG in the semi.
Even Bromley scored 132 goals and 111 points in the VNL.
Defensively seemed ok as well but not as good as RedGeneral.
Just in case you missed it, the Newgan guys have issued an update to Newgan Manager that fixes the "r-" issue and a few more.
If you are interested there are two videos that will help you install the update. Priisek has one and Zealand's old video on how to update and not lose you Newgan profiles.
You are not listening mate. Have a look at the best tactics that have been tested and make sure you have the same screenshots as them in the opening post. For example, all the results for a season, all the player stats for the season including goals and assists and how many matches played.
NandaldiaN said: @Mark this is so interesting, i started using your table with tactics yesterday, and i must say its working pretty good. Munchen 1860 no transfers. Winning every match. Im using analyst report to see what formations work against the opponent if their tactic is not 433/4321/532. But would love to have a better table against more formations Expand
I have been working on ways of doing this. It might take a bit of time though
crazyfmguy93 said: For lower leagues MDW22 and ykykyk is difference a lot. When I change calculations they recommend different players for positons in FM23. It is confusing. Expand
You don't have all the right screenshots. Have a look at the best tactics that have been tested and make sure you have the same screenshots as them in the opening post. For example, all the results for a season, all the player stats for the season including goals and assists and how many matches played.
Because I've checked our DB and here's what I got:
Red General 4231 v1.0
424 CF Cabuloso
433 Tsukyomi I
According to your table, "Red General 4231 v1.0" tactic is ranked "8th" and "424 CF Cabuloso" tactic is ranked "1st" when it come to 4-3-3 formation but according to our numbers the difference is about 1.5 points which could be just "statistical noise".
If you ask me then I think it makes sense to "rank" tactics only when there's a meaningful difference between them, I'd say it should be at least 10-15 points difference but when the difference is just 1-2 points then it can be easily "statistical noise".
Also, according to your table "433 Tsukyomi I" tactic is ranked "1st" when it comes to 5-3-2 formation but that's not true. Expand
Thanks for you feedback, as always I appreciate it. I accept some of your commentary. There was a minor error in my calculation Which I have now fixed. I have also moved the scale back to the 38 games that you guys use. I have checked the calculation and I still calculate Tsukyomi as ranked first. As I said, I only used the first 6 tests, so is your data showing the average from all tests where you have tested 4000 matches or only the first 2400 matches?
I accept the statistical noise for less than 2 points. I was just trying to look at how I can use a combination of tactics through the season to my advantage.
So here are my results from the first 3 games of the new season. We are expected to be mid table.
Genie Scout Team Ratings and Odds for the season.
Game 1 we are playing against a 433 side who are slight favourites. I think this formation is slightly weaker in defence so I went with Deformation as it is most attacking of the formations that work against 433. We led 2 Nil and hit the woodwork 3 times so we probably should have won by more.
Game 2 up against a 442, with us slight favourites. Tossed up between 424 and 4231. Ended up with the 424 CF Cabuloso because of its defensive advantage. We went down a goal but had a huge win.
Game 3 against 442 Diamond, with us again very slight favourites. I went with the 433 Tsukyomi I. We totally outplayed them but led 2 to 1 when they scored against the run of play. Scored another 2 quick goals to lead 4 to 1 and then swapped to 424 to shut the game down and scored twice late to smash them.
Does this approach work. Still too early to say but seems promising.
dzek said: I think this is a good test and so we will know which formation performs better against the 3 formations used by the FM-Arena tactic testing league. This would be even better if we tested it on the other formations that the game has too.
For the AI formations that haven't been tested by FM Arena I am using the reverse approach eg if I play against a 442 diamond I look at the worst result for the only HOF 442 diamond and go for the worst performance against it by the AI formation. In this case either 523 or 433. So I will play with the 433 Tsukyomi I as my squad is better suited to this formation than a 523.
If I was playing against a 4222 or 424 I would use a 4231.
I hope this makes sense.
What would be more interesting would be a home and away split.
I will look into it at the first opportunity. Although you don't have to make the changes yourself, all I would ask is that you write down in bullet points the changes you'd like me to look at, although with what you've said so far, I think I've got a rough idea of what you saw and what you've found strange.
I'll wait for you to tell me, I'll look at them and then I'll tell you. Also these are the feedbacks that help me to develop the testing league.
Thank you very much!
here is my updated save file. I do note that there is still a discrepancy in CA even where all the stats are the same
Test League V2
Have a look and change your link in OP if you think it is worthwhile. I checked the data through Genie Scout and amended through FMRTE.
Hope this helps
As the title says, is there anyone who wants to download my test league since I haven't been testing tactics as much as I'd like lately? My goal has always been to help the community, not necessarily to be the first and best.
If there are enough people interested I will post the link here publicly for anyone who wants to download it.
Thanks!
I am definitely interested
Also removed Get Stuck In and Pass into Space TIs.
The same test league and teams as the first tactic
Man City and EPL
League One
VNL
Fundamentally I moved the the IF to a second AM and one of the DMs forward to a CM Mez Sup.
I used my standard 3 divisions with 2 sides in each. I will show all the data from Man City and you can see the tables from the other Divisions. In summary, 2 winners, 2 seconds and 2 fifths. Not bad from the likes of Kidderminster and Wolves finishing 5th.
Man City and EPL
League One
VNL
I moved one of the ST back to AM Att, the right winger back to MR IW Sup and the left back up to WB WB Att. To cover for the loss of a defender I placed one of the DMs to DM Def in the hope that he would cover when the WB went forward. I changed the other DM to Vol Su to try and get more attacking chances.
I used my normal testing teams. Highlights were Man City going close to winning everything and scoring 117 goals and 103 points. Missed out on CL by going down to PSG in the semi.
Even Bromley scored 132 goals and 111 points in the VNL.
Defensively seemed ok as well but not as good as RedGeneral.
Please let me know your thoughts.
Man City
Bromley
If you are interested there are two videos that will help you install the update. Priisek has one and Zealand's old video on how to update and not lose you Newgan profiles.
Priisek
Priisek on Newgan Update and how to install
Zealand
Zealand on keeping your Newgan profile when upgrading Newgan Manager
You are not listening mate. Have a look at the best tactics that have been tested and make sure you have the same screenshots as them in the opening post. For example, all the results for a season, all the player stats for the season including goals and assists and how many matches played.
I have been working on ways of doing this. It might take a bit of time though
Yep they are different.
Player stats aren't there
Are you sure your numbers are correct?
Because I've checked our DB and here's what I got:
Red General 4231 v1.0
424 CF Cabuloso
433 Tsukyomi I
According to your table, "Red General 4231 v1.0" tactic is ranked "8th" and "424 CF Cabuloso" tactic is ranked "1st" when it come to 4-3-3 formation but according to our numbers the difference is about 1.5 points which could be just "statistical noise".
If you ask me then I think it makes sense to "rank" tactics only when there's a meaningful difference between them, I'd say it should be at least 10-15 points difference but when the difference is just 1-2 points then it can be easily "statistical noise".
Also, according to your table "433 Tsukyomi I" tactic is ranked "1st" when it comes to 5-3-2 formation but that's not true.
Thanks for you feedback, as always I appreciate it. I accept some of your commentary. There was a minor error in my calculation Which I have now fixed. I have also moved the scale back to the 38 games that you guys use. I have checked the calculation and I still calculate Tsukyomi as ranked first. As I said, I only used the first 6 tests, so is your data showing the average from all tests where you have tested 4000 matches or only the first 2400 matches?
I accept the statistical noise for less than 2 points. I was just trying to look at how I can use a combination of tactics through the season to my advantage.
do you use MDW22 or ykykyk files in genie scout 23? or are there any rating file fit better for 23?
Both are good. I have been using my MDW22 and still am
Genie Scout Team Ratings and Odds for the season.
Game 1 we are playing against a 433 side who are slight favourites. I think this formation is slightly weaker in defence so I went with Deformation as it is most attacking of the formations that work against 433. We led 2 Nil and hit the woodwork 3 times so we probably should have won by more.
Game 2 up against a 442, with us slight favourites. Tossed up between 424 and 4231. Ended up with the 424 CF Cabuloso because of its defensive advantage. We went down a goal but had a huge win.
Game 3 against 442 Diamond, with us again very slight favourites. I went with the 433 Tsukyomi I. We totally outplayed them but led 2 to 1 when they scored against the run of play. Scored another 2 quick goals to lead 4 to 1 and then swapped to 424 to shut the game down and scored twice late to smash them.
Does this approach work. Still too early to say but seems promising.
Good idea @Mark!
For the AI formations that haven't been tested by FM Arena I am using the reverse approach eg if I play against a 442 diamond I look at the worst result for the only HOF 442 diamond and go for the worst performance against it by the AI formation. In this case either 523 or 433. So I will play with the 433 Tsukyomi I as my squad is better suited to this formation than a 523.
If I was playing against a 4222 or 424 I would use a 4231.
I hope this makes sense.
What would be more interesting would be a home and away split.
That is correct