I have based this on the leading Knap tactic called EF 424 IF P105 AC.
The PF moves back to an AM Attack and the right hand DM Support moves forward to a CM Support. I have used the PIs for the AM Attack from the Final Shot Akutak Mk5, and the CM Support from the 4114 T Rex.
Other than that it is as per the original. So a big thanks to the creators of those 3 tactics.
I have used my standard test approach, testing the tactics across 3 Divisions with 2 teams in each.
Predictions at the start of the season were as follows:
Vanarama National Bromley 18th Kidderminster 23rd
League One Wycombe 9th Exeter 16th
EPL Manchester City 1st Wolves 11th
Unfortunately the Wolves Manager got sacked, but the others were all impressive. Man City won just about everything, Exeter won L1 from Wycombe, and Bromley won VNL with Kidderminster 4th and taking out the FA Trophy.
Give it a go and let me know your thoughts. It seems to work well for me.
Clash3r said: So I created this tactic in an attempt to recreate Kompany's 4231 (3241) tactical setup vs Spurs. Idk if the tactic is just going through a purple patch or if I just cooked up a storm. I've been doing an FC Bayern sim with it. Expand
You will need to read the info at this link and meet these requirements to get your tactic tested on this site
The third season and performed well above the relegation battle expectation going through unbeaten winning the League and picking up the Bristol Street Motors Trophy along the way.
I was looking to get young players who could make it to the rating I would need for the following season. For L2 I was looking for players around the 65-66. I tried to find players with potential at 72% mark or higher so I had them for a few years, hoping we could continue our promotion through the leagues.
We started with a team rating of 63.7% and potential of 74.9%. By season’s end our rating was 67.9% and potential at 76.8%. Our odds at the start of the season were 20/1.
In November I looked at international sides and ended up Managing Niger. I must admit I thought it was Nigeria. Nope. The nation was ranked 142 when I took over and they had struggled over the last 12 months. I thought I would get them playing at every friendly window and take on sides that were slightly better to see if we could move up the rankings a bit.
Prior to me taking over the role
Post taking the role
The first 2 games were solid wins but then lost to South Africa who were rated in the top 50. Ranking moved up a little to 136.
All in all a good season. And at the end of it I was offered interviews at Millwall and Middlesborough in the Sky Championship. I decided to accept both and hoped to get Middlesborough. I ended up with Millwall. Hoping to get to the EPL quicker than sticking with Scunthorpe.
My approach is to give PI Ease Off Tackles to any player that gets a Yellow Card through the game. After the first team yellow card I remove TI Get Stuck In. After the second team yellow card I put TI Stay on Feet, and put all defensive players on Ease Off Tackles PI - this includes Full Backs, Central Defenders and DMs.
If I get a Red Card I would generally remove a Striker. If we are chasing a win I would remove a DM and put the other DM on Defend, and probably the Full Backs on Support.
R1N4 said: Hello I'm trying to create a face using NewGANmanager but it doesn't work like the picture I attached, I tried reinstalling and changing the in-game language but it didn't change, can you fix this? and i use NewGANmanager 1.4.0 Expand
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Ravnica said: This is very good suggestion, thanks. If at 75 minute we are loosing or draw with weaker team we still should apply Drop Tempo and Trigger Press by 1 notch and Defensive Shape back to Mid Block? Or maybe different instructions? Expand
If you want to chase a goal go to Attacking and be more expressive
Stuaret said: Hi, I'm also trying to understand how to manage the advantage in the second half of the game, I hate conceding a goal in the 90th minute on a counterattack when we are winning 1-0.
I tried to set "waste time", "low pace", lower the defensive line, but I'm afraid of how the FM engine works, it could be instructions that don't work and make me lose the game.
Any news from the tests?
Thank you! Expand
I have tried match plans and it ended with players I wanted on the pitch being substituted in the first half. My testing of the options in the original post were terrible so I have given up on that.
I have settled on using the following:
First 15 minutes Drop Tempo and Trigger Press by 1 notch Defensive Shape back to Mid Block
At 75 minutes Drop Tempo and Trigger Press by 1 notch Defensive Shape back to Mid Block
At 85 minutes if winning Drop Tempo and Trigger Press by another notch Remove Prevent Short GK Distribution Stay on Feet Remove Counter-Press and Counter Remove Distribute Quickly Remove Pass Into Space and Run at Defence Mentality to Cautious
These are the exceptions:
If they Score use the following for the next 10 minutes: Attacking Mentality Be More Expansive
If we Score use the following for the next 10 minutes: Cautious Mentality Drop Tempo and Trigger Press by 1 notch Defensive Shape back to Mid Block
This is a much simpler approach than the one in the opening post and all seems to be working. Should also include Praise whole team when we score but only after the first 15 minutes.
And here is the rather complex flow chart for those interested.
Here is the simplified match mentality progression line for those not interested in the complexity of the flow chart. Although this misses a lot of important decisions, it does give a bit of a road map for playing the match.
I am currently playing with the two main plug and play tactics, 424 Problem Solver and 4231 One Shot. So I wondered how the CTRL and SUS versions of these would test in FM24. I will now go about testing these and maybe a slightly more attacking one of each when you are chasing goals.
Here is a summary of the changes I am looking at for each tactic for testing.
I doubt these versions of the tactic will challenge the original for points, but hoping they can be competitive and provide the results we are after, CTRL maybe a few points behind and more solid in defence, SUS limiting scoring from opponents and ATT slightly better goals for and probably weaker in defence. Time will tell.
Most people seem to recommend training to positions and not roles. I certainly do.
In terms of loading training files that you have downloaded, you need to place the downloaded file in the schedule folder in your game files. For Windows this is generally at C:\Users\[User Name]\Documents\Sports Interactive\Football Manager 2024\schedules. Once the file is there the process is as follows:
In FM24 in your loaded save go to Training, then Schedules. Then click on the drop down for New Schedule. Select Custom Schedules, then Select Import Schedule. The folder indicated should be where you saved the Training Schedule you want to use. Select the Schedule you want to import and then click on Load. The schedule will then come up. Click on Save As and then give the schedule a name. You can then go to Calendar and select your Schedule for each week by clicking on the drop down then Custom Schedule and whatever you named the schedule.
Got through the second season and performed well above the mid table expectation winning the League and picking up the FA Trophy along the way.
I needed to strengthen the centre back position and strikers. For VNL I was looking for players around the 60% rating and thought I would need 64-65% for L2 and 68-70% for League 1. I tried to find players with potential at the 68-70% mark so I had them for a few years, hoping we could continue our promotion through the leagues.
I settled on a monster of a DC in Agbontohoma 64-72% (current-potential) and then grabbed George Nunn 60-66% as striker. I followed that up by loaning in Gabriel Overton 66-74% hoping I could bring him in permanently at the end of the season. Unfortunately he ended up not wanting to come and struck a few injuries so not that reliable.
I also grabbed a DM late in the season who looked like the real deal in Dan Sheppard 60-80%. I had a heap of young promising players that weren't quite up to the standard we needed for VNL so loaned a few of them out hoping they would come along with a bit more first grade opportunities.
We strengthened the squad again at the end of the season using the same approach, trying to weed out the players who wouldn't be up to scratch next season and bringing in players who could straight away be competitive and stay with us if we got promoted again. I also started tracking improvement of players to make sure the players I was looking to the future with were improving enough to be valuable in coming seasons.
Looks like we are expected to fight to avoid relegation next season in League 2.
Veertien said: Hello! Impressive results and dedication into describing all your thought processes. I've downloaded your MDW24 rating but I have a question: do you look only at "general roles" (CB, CM, ST, etc.) or at the "specific roles" (BPD, RPM, IW, etc.) in your ratings? Thank you!!! Expand
I always stick with what you are calling general role eg DR, DL, DC, DM etc.
Yarema said: 5 points for a "single" setting? I'd say it's quite a big effect. Probably more than almost any other buttons you can change in a tactic. Expand
That is less than 2 wins in a season. I also pay attention to the referee stats and change to it earlier if I am expecting the ref to go hard. I generally ease off tackles for the PI of players getting yellows, and then after two team yellows drop Get Stuck In to neutral and put ease off tackles on all the defensive players. If I get a third yellow I go Stay On Feet. Seems to work. Still dominating XG and still winning most games. 62 points is still very respectable
Stevenel said: So i see that best set pieces comes from Han 106 Bests Hits (best Goals from Corner, and Best Goal against from corner) Where could i find these set pieces ?
End of season 1 and we easily win promotion to the Vanarama National League. A quick analysis and our players are looking pretty good for a mid table finish next year.
I feel like if some of our young players fulfill their potential we will have a few of them for quite a few years as we move up through the Divisions. Analysis currently indicates the ratings required for mid field positions is around 62% in VNL, 66% in L2, 70% in L1 and 75% in Sky Championship.
Some of the players I have picked up look like they can get through to at least League One.
I will need to fill a few places before the season starts especially Centre Backs
It is the view for my data download. It has potential ratings for all positions as well and the Unique ID so that I can link these to all the attributes I download from FMRTE
kvasir said: Great post! Thanks for all your hard work over the years, I've been a big fan.
I have a question about Genie Scout ratings that's been on my mind. They consider all attributes, right? But something I don't quite understand is your preference for strikers with higher pace even if their overall rating is lower. For example, picking an 88% striker with 17 pace/acc over a 93% striker with 14 pace/acc. Isn't pace already factored into the overall rating?
On another note, totally agree about center backs. My save has tons rated over 90% but with jumping reach below 14-15, which seems low for set pieces.
Also, could you please explain the logic behind the individual focus training? I was following Zaz's recommendations from a couple of years ago with Quickness for everybody, except the DMs and FBs which were assigned Endurance. Expand
Thanks for your support.
I tend to use pace as a decider not preferring players with lower ratings. But yes i do like fast strikers. Similarly i prefer centre backs with good jumping reach. Again i use it as a decider.
In the end i go with the ratings.
I did research the best additional focus by position a few years back. I looked at the attributes that would make the best impact for the cheapest attribute cost. And the ones above are the ones.
Halfway through the first season in VNN. My transfers start on 3 July 2023.
The side is going well with us leading the comp well.
Finances are suffering but I think with promotion we can get that back under control.
We have relied mostly on 2 tactics through the first half of the season.
We have a good mix of youth and experience and morale is high.
We have plenty of potential and squad is close to what we need to be competitive next season in the Vanarama National League. Very please with the progress so far.
The PF moves back to an AM Attack and the right hand DM Support moves forward to a CM Support. I have used the PIs for the AM Attack from the Final Shot Akutak Mk5, and the CM Support from the 4114 T Rex.
Other than that it is as per the original. So a big thanks to the creators of those 3 tactics.
I have used my standard test approach, testing the tactics across 3 Divisions with 2 teams in each.
Predictions at the start of the season were as follows:
Vanarama National
Bromley 18th
Kidderminster 23rd
League One
Wycombe 9th
Exeter 16th
EPL
Manchester City 1st
Wolves 11th
Unfortunately the Wolves Manager got sacked, but the others were all impressive. Man City won just about everything, Exeter won L1 from Wycombe, and Bromley won VNL with Kidderminster 4th and taking out the FA Trophy.
Give it a go and let me know your thoughts. It seems to work well for me.
You will need to read the info at this link and meet these requirements to get your tactic tested on this site
Hope this helps
I was looking to get young players who could make it to the rating I would need for the following season. For L2 I was looking for players around the 65-66. I tried to find players with potential at 72% mark or higher so I had them for a few years, hoping we could continue our promotion through the leagues.
We started with a team rating of 63.7% and potential of 74.9%. By season’s end our rating was 67.9% and potential at 76.8%. Our odds at the start of the season were 20/1.
In November I looked at international sides and ended up Managing Niger. I must admit I thought it was Nigeria. Nope. The nation was ranked 142 when I took over and they had struggled over the last 12 months. I thought I would get them playing at every friendly window and take on sides that were slightly better to see if we could move up the rankings a bit.
Prior to me taking over the role
Post taking the role
The first 2 games were solid wins but then lost to South Africa who were rated in the top 50. Ranking moved up a little to 136.
All in all a good season. And at the end of it I was offered interviews at Millwall and Middlesborough in the Sky Championship. I decided to accept both and hoped to get Middlesborough. I ended up with Millwall. Hoping to get to the EPL quicker than sticking with Scunthorpe.
My approach is to give PI Ease Off Tackles to any player that gets a Yellow Card through the game. After the first team yellow card I remove TI Get Stuck In. After the second team yellow card I put TI Stay on Feet, and put all defensive players on Ease Off Tackles PI - this includes Full Backs, Central Defenders and DMs.
If I get a Red Card I would generally remove a Striker. If we are chasing a win I would remove a DM and put the other DM on Defend, and probably the Full Backs on Support.
and i use NewGANmanager 1.4.0
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If you want to chase a goal go to Attacking and be more expressive
I tried to set "waste time", "low pace", lower the defensive line, but I'm afraid of how the FM engine works, it could be instructions that don't work and make me lose the game.
Any news from the tests?
Thank you!
I have tried match plans and it ended with players I wanted on the pitch being substituted in the first half. My testing of the options in the original post were terrible so I have given up on that.
I have settled on using the following:
First 15 minutes
Drop Tempo and Trigger Press by 1 notch
Defensive Shape back to Mid Block
At 75 minutes
Drop Tempo and Trigger Press by 1 notch
Defensive Shape back to Mid Block
At 85 minutes if winning
Drop Tempo and Trigger Press by another notch
Remove Prevent Short GK Distribution
Stay on Feet
Remove Counter-Press and Counter
Remove Distribute Quickly
Remove Pass Into Space and Run at Defence
Mentality to Cautious
These are the exceptions:
If they Score use the following for the next 10 minutes:
Attacking Mentality
Be More Expansive
If we Score use the following for the next 10 minutes:
Cautious Mentality
Drop Tempo and Trigger Press by 1 notch
Defensive Shape back to Mid Block
This is a much simpler approach than the one in the opening post and all seems to be working. Should also include Praise whole team when we score but only after the first 15 minutes.
Hope this helps
Here is the article
And here is the rather complex flow chart for those interested.
Here is the simplified match mentality progression line for those not interested in the complexity of the flow chart. Although this misses a lot of important decisions, it does give a bit of a road map for playing the match.
I am currently playing with the two main plug and play tactics, 424 Problem Solver and 4231 One Shot. So I wondered how the CTRL and SUS versions of these would test in FM24. I will now go about testing these and maybe a slightly more attacking one of each when you are chasing goals.
Here is a summary of the changes I am looking at for each tactic for testing.
I doubt these versions of the tactic will challenge the original for points, but hoping they can be competitive and provide the results we are after, CTRL maybe a few points behind and more solid in defence, SUS limiting scoring from opponents and ATT slightly better goals for and probably weaker in defence. Time will tell.
Hopefully this helps someone.
I don't think it matters much
and how to load training files into the game?
many thanks
Most people seem to recommend training to positions and not roles. I certainly do.
In terms of loading training files that you have downloaded, you need to place the downloaded file in the schedule folder in your game files. For Windows this is generally at C:\Users\[User Name]\Documents\Sports Interactive\Football Manager 2024\schedules. Once the file is there the process is as follows:
In FM24 in your loaded save go to Training, then Schedules. Then click on the drop down for New Schedule. Select Custom Schedules, then Select Import Schedule. The folder indicated should be where you saved the Training Schedule you want to use. Select the Schedule you want to import and then click on Load. The schedule will then come up. Click on Save As and then give the schedule a name. You can then go to Calendar and select your Schedule for each week by clicking on the drop down then Custom Schedule and whatever you named the schedule.
Good luck
I needed to strengthen the centre back position and strikers. For VNL I was looking for players around the 60% rating and thought I would need 64-65% for L2 and 68-70% for League 1. I tried to find players with potential at the 68-70% mark so I had them for a few years, hoping we could continue our promotion through the leagues.
I settled on a monster of a DC in Agbontohoma 64-72% (current-potential) and then grabbed George Nunn 60-66% as striker. I followed that up by loaning in Gabriel Overton 66-74% hoping I could bring him in permanently at the end of the season. Unfortunately he ended up not wanting to come and struck a few injuries so not that reliable.
I also grabbed a DM late in the season who looked like the real deal in Dan Sheppard 60-80%. I had a heap of young promising players that weren't quite up to the standard we needed for VNL so loaned a few of them out hoping they would come along with a bit more first grade opportunities.
We strengthened the squad again at the end of the season using the same approach, trying to weed out the players who wouldn't be up to scratch next season and bringing in players who could straight away be competitive and stay with us if we got promoted again. I also started tracking improvement of players to make sure the players I was looking to the future with were improving enough to be valuable in coming seasons.
Looks like we are expected to fight to avoid relegation next season in League 2.
All in all a good season.
Finances
Squad
Genie Scout Squad
Competitions
Vision
Results
Transfers
Next season expectations
I've downloaded your MDW24 rating but I have a question: do you look only at "general roles" (CB, CM, ST, etc.) or at the "specific roles" (BPD, RPM, IW, etc.) in your ratings? Thank you!!!
I always stick with what you are calling general role eg DR, DL, DC, DM etc.
I find the specific role is irrelevant
That is less than 2 wins in a season. I also pay attention to the referee stats and change to it earlier if I am expecting the ref to go hard. I generally ease off tackles for the PI of players getting yellows, and then after two team yellows drop Get Stuck In to neutral and put ease off tackles on all the defensive players. If I get a third yellow I go Stay On Feet. Seems to work. Still dominating XG and still winning most games. 62 points is still very respectable
Where could i find these set pieces ?
Thanks for your work
All the set pieces tested are uploaded under their own threads in the Set Piece Sharing Section
That is just the base, ie no set piece loaded.
I feel like if some of our young players fulfill their potential we will have a few of them for quite a few years as we move up through the Divisions. Analysis currently indicates the ratings required for mid field positions is around 62% in VNL, 66% in L2, 70% in L1 and 75% in Sky Championship.
Some of the players I have picked up look like they can get through to at least League One.
I will need to fill a few places before the season starts especially Centre Backs
Competition results
Fixture results from 1 January
Finances
Transfers
Board vision
Squad
VNL expectations
Would you mind sharing your GS view? I only found the one u use back in 2022 but that doesnt work anymore!
The link is here
It is the view for my data download. It has potential ratings for all positions as well and the Unique ID so that I can link these to all the attributes I download from FMRTE
I have a question about Genie Scout ratings that's been on my mind. They consider all attributes, right? But something I don't quite understand is your preference for strikers with higher pace even if their overall rating is lower. For example, picking an 88% striker with 17 pace/acc over a 93% striker with 14 pace/acc. Isn't pace already factored into the overall rating?
On another note, totally agree about center backs. My save has tons rated over 90% but with jumping reach below 14-15, which seems low for set pieces.
Also, could you please explain the logic behind the individual focus training? I was following Zaz's recommendations from a couple of years ago with Quickness for everybody, except the DMs and FBs which were assigned Endurance.
Thanks for your support.
I tend to use pace as a decider not preferring players with lower ratings. But yes i do like fast strikers. Similarly i prefer centre backs with good jumping reach. Again i use it as a decider.
In the end i go with the ratings.
I did research the best additional focus by position a few years back. I looked at the attributes that would make the best impact for the cheapest attribute cost. And the ones above are the ones.
The side is going well with us leading the comp well.
Finances are suffering but I think with promotion we can get that back under control.
We have relied mostly on 2 tactics through the first half of the season.
We have a good mix of youth and experience and morale is high.
We have plenty of potential and squad is close to what we need to be competitive next season in the Vanarama National League. Very please with the progress so far.