Cityzens said: Which tactic is stronger: plug-and-play tactics or the one with the highest overall score in the tactics table? What is the difference between them? Expand
Plug and play you should be able to use with most squads. Other tactics might require you to retrain positions or or buy in players to match the tactic.
As per the Opening Post I didnt use any PIs only default ones where I was unable to delete them. I was only using this process to see the diference between the Mentalities.
EternalBlizzard said: Hi I have an interesting question! If I were doing a moneyball save where I look at statistics rather than purely attributes, what statistics should I be looking at for each position? Things like dribbles/90, goals expected/90 things like that. Thank you! Expand
Look up MustermannFM on youtube. He has a number of moneyball saves and talks through how to download key information to Excel and gives examples of usage.
Some more tweaks to the defensive tactic to try and get it possession based and focussed on not conceding goals.
Still no PIs.
I am using the same testing structure as my previous tests, 1 unfancied team from each English Division from Enterprise South through to EPL. These are holiday tests with no transfers.
My results for this version were promising with 5 League winners, one sixth and Burnley finished 16th in EPL. This time showing Derby as Shrewsbury were a failure.
Hoping to still get around the 76 points but have less goals conceded.
I typed the wrong thing into the tactic name. Anyhow this is trying to improve the goal scoring on the Very Attacking tactic from my Mentality testing tactic. I used it as the base and made some tweaks with inspiration from the 325 OCB tactic. Left the front 3 but moved the WBs to Wingers, so right wide attacking midfielder changed to IF, and changed the midfielders to CMs. Stuck to no PIs.
I am using the same testing structure as my previous tests, 1 unfancied team from each English Division from Enterprise South through to EPL. These are holiday tests with no transfers.
My results for this version were 4 League winners, one second, one fourth and Burnley finished 7th in EPL.
An extension of my Mentality testing, with the original Defensive version of my Mentality testing tactic using a striker tactic based on Argus without PIs. I am looking to get a park the bus tactic by improving the Defensive version incorporating some of the team instructions from Bread's tactic without using PIs and trying to stick close to the original tactic.
Seems to be pretty solid at the back, hoping we will concede less goals than the 37 from my original defensive tactic and no lose to much in terms of points (76 pts).
I am using the same testing structure as my previous tests, 1 unfancied team from each English Division from Enterprise South through to EPL. These are holiday tests with no transfers.
My results for this version were 4 League winners, 2 seconds and Burnley very disappointing and relegated after finishing 19th in EPL. Burnley did however perform pretty well defensively.
I find it interesting that Attacking seems to dominate in the top tactics at the moment. I am having great results with the balanced version of this tactic
I think it would be interesting to see how the top tactics would go as Positive or Very Attacking.
I might yet try some variations on this tactic at a later date, but will now get back to my save.
Hopefully this has made a few people think about mentality.
This is the Positive version of my Mentality testing of a striker tactic based on Argus without PIs.
So far tested have been Very Defensive (72 pts), Defensive (76 pts), Cautious (74 pts), Balanced (78 pts), Attacking (77 pts) and Very Attacking (80 pts).
I am using the same testing structure as my previous tests, 1 unfancied team from each English Division from Enterprise South through to EPL. These are holiday tests with no transfers.
My results for this version were 4 League winners, one second, one fifth and Burnley finished 10th in EPL.
This is the best defensive tactic so far. only 37 goals against for the season. 76 pts so a long way better than Very Defensive or Cautious. Lets see how our last one goes tomorrow
This is the Cautious version of my Mentality testing of a striker tactic based on Argus without PIs.
So far tested have been Very Defensive (72 pts), Balanced (78 pts), Attacking (77 pts) and Very Attacking (80 pts).
I am using the same testing structure as my previous tests, 1 unfancied team from each English Division from Enterprise South through to EPL. These are holiday tests with no transfers.
My results for this version were 3 League winners, one second, one 4th, one 5th and Burnley finished 8th in EPL. This is my worst result so far.
This is the Defensive version of my Mentality testing of a striker tactic based on Argus without PIs.
So far tested have been Very Defensive (72 pts), Balanced (78 pts), Attacking (77 pts) and Very Attacking (80 pts).
I am using the same testing structure as my previous tests, 1 unfancied team from each English Division from Enterprise South through to EPL. These are holiday tests with no transfers.
My results for this version were 4 League winners, one second, one third and Burnley finished 6th in EPL.
This is the best so far and not far off the top of the single striker tactics.
I have so far managed to get 4 mentalities tested with 3 to go. Couldn't get the last ones done until late last night so the next 2 wont be until Friday morning and then the last one Saturday hopefully. Results to date:
They seem to be very much indicating that the higher the mentality the more points and goals for, the lower the mentality the less points and the less goals against.
This is the Very Attacking version of my Mentality testing of a striker tactic based on Argus without PIs.
So far tested have been Balanced (78 pts) and Attacking (77 pts).
I am using the same testing structure as my previous tests, 1 unfancied team from each English Division from Enterprise South through to EPL. These are holiday tests with no transfers.
My results for this version were 4 League winners, one second, one third and Burnley finished 7th in EPL.
This is the Very Defensive version of my Mentality testing of a striker tactic based on Argus without PIs.
So far tested have been Balanced (78 pts) and Attacking (77 pts).
I am using the same testing structure as my previous tests, 1 unfancied team from each English Division from Enterprise South through to EPL. These are holiday tests with no transfers.
My results for this version were 5 League winners, one second and Burnley finished 10th in EPL. Best results to date.
A continuation of the mentality testing using a striker version of Argus. This time it is Attacking.
I am using the same testing structure as my previous tests, 1 unfancied team from each English Division from Enterprise South through to EPL. These are holiday tests with no transfers.
Results werent too bad again, slightly better. Won 4 leagues again with 2 seconds and Burnley finishing 14th.
Hopefully this version wont be too far off the top of the striker tactics. Hoping for around 78.
I really dont like playing with strikerless tactics, so have been moving the AM SS forward to an ST CHF. This tactic is based on the leading Argus one. I have also stripped out all the PIs other than the ones that you cant because they relate to the role. I generally play in lower divisions so prefer less complicated tactics. Using this as the base I am going to put up tests with all the different mentalities find out the difference in performance and the impact on goals for and against.
This is the Balanced version, the middle mentality, so it will be the baseline. Next one will be Attacking as it appears to be the one that is rating best in the FM Arena testing environment.
I am using the same testing structure as my previous tests, 1 unfancied team from each English Division from Enterprise South through to EPL. These are holiday tests with no transfers.
Results werent too bad. The bottom 4 leagues were all easy winners. L1 finished 6th, Championship finishes 2nd and Burnley finished 15th in EPL.
I decided to use Shrewsbury who won L2 by 13 points and scored 113 goals for with just 39 against in 46 matches.
Plug and play you should be able to use with most squads. Other tactics might require you to retrain positions or or buy in players to match the tactic.
As per the Opening Post I didnt use any PIs only default ones where I was unable to delete them. I was only using this process to see the diference between the Mentalities.
As it says in the OP no PIs. Only the compulsory ones that I couldnt get rid of. The whole point was testing mentality
Look up MustermannFM on youtube. He has a number of moneyball saves and talks through how to download key information to Excel and gives examples of usage.
Unfortunately I dont think i will get the time to do it this year
Still no PIs.
I am using the same testing structure as my previous tests, 1 unfancied team from each English Division from Enterprise South through to EPL. These are holiday tests with no transfers.
My results for this version were promising with 5 League winners, one sixth and Burnley finished 16th in EPL. This time showing Derby as Shrewsbury were a failure.
Hoping to still get around the 76 points but have less goals conceded.
I am using the same testing structure as my previous tests, 1 unfancied team from each English Division from Enterprise South through to EPL. These are holiday tests with no transfers.
My results for this version were 4 League winners, one second, one fourth and Burnley finished 7th in EPL.
Seems to be pretty solid at the back, hoping we will concede less goals than the 37 from my original defensive tactic and no lose to much in terms of points (76 pts).
I am using the same testing structure as my previous tests, 1 unfancied team from each English Division from Enterprise South through to EPL. These are holiday tests with no transfers.
My results for this version were 4 League winners, 2 seconds and Burnley very disappointing and relegated after finishing 19th in EPL. Burnley did however perform pretty well defensively.
Results:
I find it interesting that Attacking seems to dominate in the top tactics at the moment. I am having great results with the balanced version of this tactic
I think it would be interesting to see how the top tactics would go as Positive or Very Attacking.
I might yet try some variations on this tactic at a later date, but will now get back to my save.
Hopefully this has made a few people think about mentality.
This is the Positive version of my Mentality testing of a striker tactic based on Argus without PIs.
So far tested have been Very Defensive (72 pts), Defensive (76 pts), Cautious (74 pts), Balanced (78 pts), Attacking (77 pts) and Very Attacking (80 pts).
I am using the same testing structure as my previous tests, 1 unfancied team from each English Division from Enterprise South through to EPL. These are holiday tests with no transfers.
My results for this version were 4 League winners, one second, one fifth and Burnley finished 10th in EPL.
So far tested have been Very Defensive (72 pts), Balanced (78 pts), Attacking (77 pts) and Very Attacking (80 pts).
I am using the same testing structure as my previous tests, 1 unfancied team from each English Division from Enterprise South through to EPL. These are holiday tests with no transfers.
My results for this version were 3 League winners, one second, one 4th, one 5th and Burnley finished 8th in EPL. This is my worst result so far.
So far tested have been Very Defensive (72 pts), Balanced (78 pts), Attacking (77 pts) and Very Attacking (80 pts).
I am using the same testing structure as my previous tests, 1 unfancied team from each English Division from Enterprise South through to EPL. These are holiday tests with no transfers.
My results for this version were 4 League winners, one second, one third and Burnley finished 6th in EPL.
I have so far managed to get 4 mentalities tested with 3 to go. Couldn't get the last ones done until late last night so the next 2 wont be until Friday morning and then the last one Saturday hopefully. Results to date:
They seem to be very much indicating that the higher the mentality the more points and goals for, the lower the mentality the less points and the less goals against.
Lets see if that continues.
So far tested have been Balanced (78 pts) and Attacking (77 pts).
I am using the same testing structure as my previous tests, 1 unfancied team from each English Division from Enterprise South through to EPL. These are holiday tests with no transfers.
My results for this version were 4 League winners, one second, one third and Burnley finished 7th in EPL.
So far tested have been Balanced (78 pts) and Attacking (77 pts).
I am using the same testing structure as my previous tests, 1 unfancied team from each English Division from Enterprise South through to EPL. These are holiday tests with no transfers.
My results for this version were 5 League winners, one second and Burnley finished 10th in EPL. Best results to date.
I am using the same testing structure as my previous tests, 1 unfancied team from each English Division from Enterprise South through to EPL. These are holiday tests with no transfers.
Results werent too bad again, slightly better. Won 4 leagues again with 2 seconds and Burnley finishing 14th.
Hopefully this version wont be too far off the top of the striker tactics. Hoping for around 78.
This is the Balanced version, the middle mentality, so it will be the baseline. Next one will be Attacking as it appears to be the one that is rating best in the FM Arena testing environment.
I am using the same testing structure as my previous tests, 1 unfancied team from each English Division from Enterprise South through to EPL. These are holiday tests with no transfers.
Results werent too bad. The bottom 4 leagues were all easy winners. L1 finished 6th, Championship finishes 2nd and Burnley finished 15th in EPL.
I decided to use Shrewsbury who won L2 by 13 points and scored 113 goals for with just 39 against in 46 matches.