CBP87 said: No worries mate, could you give me an example of what you would look for based on them weightings in say a ball playing defender please? Expand
Here is a quick and dirty attempt. Search only players interested in coming to your team. Start with something like this:
Pace and Acceleration 14, Composure 13, Jumping Reach 12, Marking, Passing, Positioning, Work Rate and Heading 10.
And then scale up or down by a point each time until you get the field to a reasonable size. Cap the numbers at 16 when you increase, and maybe 7 when you decrease.
I honestly don't like the approach. But give it a go.
CBP87 said: @Mark Do you have filters based on the weightings? Expand
Unfortunately not. I use Genie Scout ratings. I have said before a few times that filters are a lot harder, as it depends on the League you are playing in. For a single rating it is quite easy to see what rating you need for a League/Division. But to do the same going through all the attributes you might want to consider would be very hard.
rcoughtrey said: I even tried added ID before and still failed. I clear the cache in game still failed I went into appData delete preferences and caches and still failed Expand
Pellekanino said: Thank you so much!! I couldn't upload the xml file but here or in a message but are the screen dumps for the config file and the folder. Ive moved the rtf. file to this folder as well, did try to place it in Documents/Sports Interactive/Football Manager 2024 too. That always worked in the past. Ofc there are more playser in the config file (around 12 000 I think) Expand
I apologise. There was a typo in my original post. If you now replace "/picture/" with "/pictures/" and reload the skin it should fix it. I have updated my original post if you want to start from scratch.
Pellekanino said: Appreciate the tips but I cant get it to work at all. Edited the config, saved, redid the whole process with Newgan manager and reloaded skin, still nothing. What have I missed? Expand
You need to re-edit the config file if you run Newgan Manager again
keithb said: You may have missed the point? What is their jumping reach? I also play lower leagues - FM23 was Ringmer and 24 I am Truro. Quansah is nowhere near as good in the air as centre backs shorter than him by a few inches. Expand
I will look to test it. I have had tall players with bad jumping reach that have been great fill ins for my better DCs. Lets see how it plays out in tests
keithb said: I think you mean jumping reach? Quansah is 6'6 or 6'7 with only 14/15 jumping reach but my shorter defender with higher jumping reach are better. Expand
I play lower leagues and can have very bad rated DCs who are over 1.95m and they rate seriously well. But that is just anecdotal.
ocarty said: So basically, a defender with 5 marking and 15 pace is better than a defender with 15 marking and 5 pace. Damn. Expand
I am unsure whether you can draw that conclusion from the data we have with the Attribute testing. The starting point is different for each attribute for each position in the test league. We do not have data down to position. We do not know what combinations work etc. I do know that if you get fast players across the pitch it will work. I also know that very tall DCs work.
Take the data you get and think about it and work with it. The attribute testing is there to give us hints for how we play the game not to solve the game for us.
dzek said: I agree @Mark. It would be good to have a constructive dialogue, to hear everyone's opinion but everyone can see where some people are going with their words. Expand
My suggestion is to focus on the positive and let go of the negative. I am not taking sides. Many of your comments in other topics have been very positive. @Delicious work and analysis has been exceptional over the last few years. Work together to improve the experience for the community not against it.
@Delicious and @dzek. Lads I appreciate your work on this site. It is mostly positive and helpful. I am a retired grandfather of 9. I live in a country that has 3 football games that have a bigger following than football (what we call soccer). I spend my time doing a fair bit of voluntary work and trying to get my grandkids to understand respect and enjoy the more simple things in life like bush walks.
I have been playing FM since it was CM. I honestly think you should both stop now. There is nothing to be gained in pursuing this debate.
All the regens have had their ID changed to have "r-" in front of the ID number under the FM24.2.0 update. This means that the file that linked their face to their ID no longer works and will revert back to FM24 regen picture.
To fix this you can go to the folder that holds your NewGan faces, usually under C:\Users\"Your User Name"\Documents\Sports Interactive\Football Manager 2024\graphics. For those using the recommended face pack it is DF11 Newgan.
In the NewGan Faces folder there should be a config.xml file. TIP: You can make a copy of this file to another location in case something goes wrong. You need to open this file (it should open in Notepad) and then highlight all the records by using Control A. Next use Control H to find and replace. In the Find section type "pictures/person/" without the " and in the Replace section type "pictures/person/r-" without the ". Click on Replace All. This should put "r-" in front of all the IDs which will then attach the picture to the correct record again.
Finally you will need to go to Preferences in the game and reload the skin. This will reload the faces using the correct new IDs.
I hope this works for you. It did for me after a bit of playing to figure out what had happened.
Also, this is the same problem for putting your own picture against your profile. Mine disappeared after the FM24.2 update. Copy your picture to the folder that holds your faces, I use DF 11 so it is the DF 11 folder under Graphics. Then update the config.xml file in that directory to link your ID to the file you have put in the directory.
SUPPORT
In the event of any bugs or issues please follow this protocol:
1. Go to the following folder: Windows: Head to %localappdata%\Programs\NewGAN-Manager\app\newganmanager\newgan.log Mac: Head to /Applications/NewGAN-Manager.app/Contents/Resources/app_packages/newgan.log 2. Save that logfile 3. Gather your generated config.xml and the .rtf file from your Sports Interactive\Football Manager 20XX\ folder 4. Email all 3 of those files to SAGKRZealandReport@gmail.com
Just so you all know, the starting point isn't 10 for all attributes. See post from Zippo. Player starting attributes for Attribute Testing. So things like Pace and acceleration move to 20 for forwards with the plus 5.
And here is the FM Scout Definitive Guide to CA. This does seem to indicate some tapering off for over 16 and under 5.
NandaldiaN said: i think we can ask @Mark what training schedule is using this year Expand
I haven't had a chance to test any yet. I have been using an adaptation of Max's EBFM training from last year. Had a few injuries so have now tweaked it.
I took the great work done by @sponsorkindest with his QuadroWave X-4 tactic and tried to apply some of the approaches used by @A Smile with his deformation II tactic. I moved the AML back to ML as an IW Support and used focus attack down right flank and overlap left.
The testing used 2 sides in the EPL (Man City and Wolves), League One (Exeter and Wycombe) and VNL (Bromley and Kidderminister). Results were the best I have had with any tactic I have looked at. I am tempted to retry with a DW at ML to try and get better defence. See how this one goes first.
drake87 said: Why this is better ranked than 424 deformation II??? same points and lower goal difference Expand
Goal difference doesn't count. The FM Arena tests only go by points. They do 1200 games and convert it to points for 38 games. Obviously they are rounded to get to the points, so this tactic will have a fraction of a point more.
dzek said: Just selected them all (click on a player and then Ctrl + A) and then copy(Ctrl + C) them and paste them to an excel file. Let me know if it works or not! Expand
Yes it does. I hadnt realised how long it takes the program to put the data into the clipboard, so was was trying to paste before it had loaded. This is very helpful
Here is a quick and dirty attempt. Search only players interested in coming to your team. Start with something like this:
Pace and Acceleration 14, Composure 13, Jumping Reach 12, Marking, Passing, Positioning, Work Rate and Heading 10.
And then scale up or down by a point each time until you get the field to a reasonable size. Cap the numbers at 16 when you increase, and maybe 7 when you decrease.
I honestly don't like the approach. But give it a go.
Unfortunately not. I use Genie Scout ratings. I have said before a few times that filters are a lot harder, as it depends on the League you are playing in. For a single rating it is quite easy to see what rating you need for a League/Division. But to do the same going through all the attributes you might want to consider would be very hard.
So I have never bothered.
Glad I could help
rcoughtrey said: I even tried added ID before and still failed.
I clear the cache in game still failed
I went into appData delete preferences and caches and still failed
See the update above
I couldn't upload the xml file but here or in a message but are the screen dumps for the config file and the folder. Ive moved the rtf. file to this folder as well, did try to place it in Documents/Sports Interactive/Football Manager 2024 too. That always worked in the past. Ofc there are more playser in the config file (around 12 000 I think)
I apologise. There was a typo in my original post. If you now replace "/picture/" with "/pictures/" and reload the skin it should fix it. I have updated my original post if you want to start from scratch.
Can you please send me the config file and a screen dump of the folder that has your newgan facepack and I will have a look
You need to re-edit the config file if you run Newgan Manager again
I will look to test it. I have had tall players with bad jumping reach that have been great fill ins for my better DCs. Lets see how it plays out in tests
I play lower leagues and can have very bad rated DCs who are over 1.95m and they rate seriously well. But that is just anecdotal.
I am unsure whether you can draw that conclusion from the data we have with the Attribute testing. The starting point is different for each attribute for each position in the test league. We do not have data down to position. We do not know what combinations work etc. I do know that if you get fast players across the pitch it will work. I also know that very tall DCs work.
Take the data you get and think about it and work with it. The attribute testing is there to give us hints for how we play the game not to solve the game for us.
My suggestion is to focus on the positive and let go of the negative. I am not taking sides. Many of your comments in other topics have been very positive. @Delicious work and analysis has been exceptional over the last few years. Work together to improve the experience for the community not against it.
I have been playing FM since it was CM. I honestly think you should both stop now. There is nothing to be gained in pursuing this debate.
To fix this you can go to the folder that holds your NewGan faces, usually under C:\Users\"Your User Name"\Documents\Sports Interactive\Football Manager 2024\graphics. For those using the recommended face pack it is DF11 Newgan.
In the NewGan Faces folder there should be a config.xml file. TIP: You can make a copy of this file to another location in case something goes wrong. You need to open this file (it should open in Notepad) and then highlight all the records by using Control A. Next use Control H to find and replace. In the Find section type "pictures/person/" without the " and in the Replace section type "pictures/person/r-" without the ". Click on Replace All. This should put "r-" in front of all the IDs which will then attach the picture to the correct record again.
Finally you will need to go to Preferences in the game and reload the skin. This will reload the faces using the correct new IDs.
I hope this works for you. It did for me after a bit of playing to figure out what had happened.
Also, this is the same problem for putting your own picture against your profile. Mine disappeared after the FM24.2 update. Copy your picture to the folder that holds your faces, I use DF 11 so it is the DF 11 folder under Graphics. Then update the config.xml file in that directory to link your ID to the file you have put in the directory.
SUPPORT
In the event of any bugs or issues please follow this protocol:
1. Go to the following folder:
Windows: Head to %localappdata%\Programs\NewGAN-Manager\app\newganmanager\newgan.log
Mac: Head to /Applications/NewGAN-Manager.app/Contents/Resources/app_packages/newgan.log
2. Save that logfile
3. Gather your generated config.xml and the .rtf file from your Sports Interactive\Football Manager 20XX\ folder
4. Email all 3 of those files to SAGKRZealandReport@gmail.com
And here is the FM Scout Definitive Guide to CA. This does seem to indicate some tapering off for over 16 and under 5.
Hoping this helps inform some of your views.
My ratings came out before the machine learning ratings and are slightly different.
I haven't had a chance to test any yet. I have been using an adaptation of Max's EBFM training from last year. Had a few injuries so have now tweaked it.
No guarantees, but seems to be going alright now.
Here is the file
The testing used 2 sides in the EPL (Man City and Wolves), League One (Exeter and Wycombe) and VNL (Bromley and Kidderminister). Results were the best I have had with any tactic I have looked at. I am tempted to retry with a DW at ML to try and get better defence. See how this one goes first.
Goal difference doesn't count. The FM Arena tests only go by points. They do 1200 games and convert it to points for 38 games. Obviously they are rounded to get to the points, so this tactic will have a fraction of a point more.
ykykyky balanced ratings file link
Yes it does. I hadnt realised how long it takes the program to put the data into the clipboard, so was was trying to paste before it had loaded. This is very helpful
Thanks