juliius said: Another thing i'd like to mention, is this combination of traits Adama has. They are basically perfect for getting him to just dribble down the line. I've lost count now how many times i've seen him stand just inside the opponents half, wait for the ball into feet, and just turning on the turbo as soon as he gets the ball. Just as i write this he just assisted a goal after running 40 meters with the ball against Chelsea.
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Them traits make absolute sense. I didn't even think about runs with ball down right, nice work pal, cheerrs
juliius said: It's funny i decided to try the tactic i've been using with Arsenal at West Ham because i wanted to see Adama. He's basically turned into Gareth Bale.
So the worse teams less dribbles might be not always be true. The thing i'm noticing is because i'm a lesser team, we are more often given space to work with. Expand
What tactic are you using? do you fancy sharing it?
ZaZ said: I made a quick test using Spring (lower WBs) and Autumn (higher AWBs), and the results confirm what I said before. When wingbacks are more advanced, players dribble less because they have a passing option closer to them.
Two players with most dribbles per 90 minutes Autumn (AWB): 3.67 and 3.29 Spring (WB lower): 6.26 and 4.71
Autumn / Spring
Those results were with Burnley, so you should expect more dribbles with a better team. Expand
Sorry pal, I didn't see this yesterday. Thanks for testing. I think the pretty much confirms our thoughts around the space needed between full back and winger. I also wondering if its better to change CHM to AM. To me, it appears the more isolated the winger is the more they will look to dribble.
juliius said: I've had some success. So I've straight up nabbed Maresca's formation, not that it's revolutionary. Here are the instructions.
Here are the results after 19 games in the league.
One instruction that seemed to instantly improve the dribbles per 90 numbers, was removing the progress play instruction. When i've had it on balanced it produces more dribbles per 90 than both focus flanks and focus middle did. Expand
Interesting, a fantastic output from Saka and Martinelli, did you use any PIs?
ZaZ said: Looking at the input from Julius, it might be that players dribble more when winger and wingbacks are further apart from each other. I guess the problem is that AWBs used in your tactic play too close to IFs, promoting passes instead of dribbles. I will test here a tactic with AWB vs a similar one with WB in the back to see if there is a huge difference. Expand
I've just ran a test with the AWB dropping back to FB and the dribbles per 90 increased, but not by much. I am starting to think it has something to with the IF role but I also agree, I think the AWB and CHM are getting close enough to the IF that he is choosing to pass rather than dribble
juliius said: I know we can see the roles the AI manager uses, is there a way to see instructions somehow? The only thing i can think of is the ingame commentary where you might be able to decipher some instructions.
At least from the season i've run here, every single player in the premier league that finished with a higher dribbles/90 than Martinelli and Madueke were playing as a winger. Expand
I've tried with winger too, sorry I don't want it to come across that I am dismissing what you saying because I genuinely am not. I looked at Brighton and Chelsea's formation and they play a 4231, Mitoma playing on the left as a winger and Neto on the right as a winger, both of them playing on the side of their weakest foot and both have pretty poor weak foots. On watching them though, they weren't cutting inside at all which you would probably expect due to them being on the wrong foot side
juliius said: I added the pass into feet midway through the season as the only change from earlier. The numbers got closer to 7 dribbles per 90. Expand
I've added that but unfortunately it didn't help when testing. Although its a improvement what you've got, I am still seeing players averaging over 10 dribbles per game. I've watched full games and I literally for the life of me figure out what Mitoma is doing different to Doku. Both are hugging the line, both are pretty much isolated, but Doku passes and Mitoma runs
juliius said: So i've done a little experimenting trying to get more dribbles per 90. Here's the tactic nothing special.
First of all i tried to have my players as the role wingers to emphasize the wide positioning. Below are the player instructions.
The idea is keep them wide. Make fewer runs because i want the ball in feet so they can make their dribbles, and fewer risks because i want them to focus on attempting dribbles not passes. Byline to try and get that knock past and just run towards the byline. Also played left footed on the left and right footed on the right to encourage the down the line dribbles. Another thing to keep in mind is, most tactics i see have underlaps on both sides, i've found underlaps again encourages the wide player to pass, which is what i didn't want, so i've on purpose not had that instruction on.
Here's the numbers through 10 games:
Madueke plays on the left and Martinelli on the right. Nwaneri has been subbed on for Madueke.
Here's an example of what i at least think it is you wanted to happen. I replied on the SI forum aswell, there's a GIF of what i assume you are looking for. Expand
Good work and thank you for your input, I'll give that a whirl and see how it gets on
Changes-
Removed tackle harder from GK
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OOP role changed from GK to SK
Them traits make absolute sense. I didn't even think about runs with ball down right, nice work pal, cheerrs
So the worse teams less dribbles might be not always be true. The thing i'm noticing is because i'm a lesser team, we are more often given space to work with.
What tactic are you using? do you fancy sharing it?
Two players with most dribbles per 90 minutes
Autumn (AWB): 3.67 and 3.29
Spring (WB lower): 6.26 and 4.71
Autumn / Spring
Those results were with Burnley, so you should expect more dribbles with a better team.
Sorry pal, I didn't see this yesterday. Thanks for testing. I think the pretty much confirms our thoughts around the space needed between full back and winger. I also wondering if its better to change CHM to AM. To me, it appears the more isolated the winger is the more they will look to dribble.
Thanks pal, appreciate the advice and the effort, I'll give it a whirl
Here are the instructions.
Here are the results after 19 games in the league.
One instruction that seemed to instantly improve the dribbles per 90 numbers, was removing the progress play instruction. When i've had it on balanced it produces more dribbles per 90 than both focus flanks and focus middle did.
Interesting, a fantastic output from Saka and Martinelli, did you use any PIs?
ZaZ said: Looking at the input from Julius, it might be that players dribble more when winger and wingbacks are further apart from each other. I guess the problem is that AWBs used in your tactic play too close to IFs, promoting passes instead of dribbles. I will test here a tactic with AWB vs a similar one with WB in the back to see if there is a huge difference.
I've just ran a test with the AWB dropping back to FB and the dribbles per 90 increased, but not by much. I am starting to think it has something to with the IF role but I also agree, I think the AWB and CHM are getting close enough to the IF that he is choosing to pass rather than dribble
At least from the season i've run here, every single player in the premier league that finished with a higher dribbles/90 than Martinelli and Madueke were playing as a winger.
I've tried with winger too, sorry I don't want it to come across that I am dismissing what you saying because I genuinely am not. I looked at Brighton and Chelsea's formation and they play a 4231, Mitoma playing on the left as a winger and Neto on the right as a winger, both of them playing on the side of their weakest foot and both have pretty poor weak foots. On watching them though, they weren't cutting inside at all which you would probably expect due to them being on the wrong foot side
I've added that but unfortunately it didn't help when testing. Although its a improvement what you've got, I am still seeing players averaging over 10 dribbles per game. I've watched full games and I literally for the life of me figure out what Mitoma is doing different to Doku. Both are hugging the line, both are pretty much isolated, but Doku passes and Mitoma runs
First of all i tried to have my players as the role wingers to emphasize the wide positioning.
Below are the player instructions.
The idea is keep them wide. Make fewer runs because i want the ball in feet so they can make their dribbles, and fewer risks because i want them to focus on attempting dribbles not passes. Byline to try and get that knock past and just run towards the byline. Also played left footed on the left and right footed on the right to encourage the down the line dribbles.
Another thing to keep in mind is, most tactics i see have underlaps on both sides, i've found underlaps again encourages the wide player to pass, which is what i didn't want, so i've on purpose not had that instruction on.
Here's the numbers through 10 games:
Madueke plays on the left and Martinelli on the right. Nwaneri has been subbed on for Madueke.
Here's an example of what i at least think it is you wanted to happen.
I replied on the SI forum aswell, there's a GIF of what i assume you are looking for.
Good work and thank you for your input, I'll give that a whirl and see how it gets on