Milakus said: @CBP87, I guess the AM acts as a support unit, I mean you should not expect he scores a lot? Expand
For me the AP is the creator, initially when I was looking at that role for the 4231, I imagined Bruno Fernandes there and although he scores quite a fair amount of goals, he is more of a creator. He had 32 goal contributions from playing that role, well mostly playing that role from what I can tell in the holiday test
Tested with Atalanta, predicted 7th, finished 4th with 83 points. Could've been higher but dropped 8 points from the last 5 games which if we didnt, would've been a 3rd place with 91 points. Scoring 69 goals (4th best) and conceding just 23 (3rd best). Managed to win the Coppa Italia. players ratings were good with a lot around the 7 marker or higher, again beating the league averages according to the team report
I have been working on this tactic for a few days, it initially started out as a 4231 as I was trying to replicate the way I believe Man United line up, however it didn't seem solid enough and no matter what I changed in terms of roles/duties/instructions it didn't improve the solidity of the 4231. In sheer frustration I reverted it to a 4411, moving the LW to LM and RW to RM and the results have astounded me.
The Tactic
As always, I holiday test my tactics, leaving AM in charge of training and team selection. Editor was used but this was only to make the test manager unsackable. Injuries/Fitness etc are enabled as you will be able to see from the squad screenshots.
I tested initially with United as it was the United tactic I was trying to replicate and the results were very very good, it won the league and all cups. The vast majority of the squad achieved a rating of 7 or higher, only 4 players didn't achieve this (Cavani, Lingard, Heaton and Grant). We scored 100 goals in the league and conceded only 13!! Ronaldo scored 58 in 57 games. The team report shows that in all but 1 area we were better than the league average. (It was narrowly under the shots on target average) but as you can see from the results below, the tactic smashed the league.
I then tested with my usual single elite team test, Liverpool. The team achieved a double (PL and CL) . Scoring 107 in the league and conceding very little again, 14! Mo Salah top scored with 43 in 49 games. Beating the league average in all areas according to the team report. Again over half squad achieved a rating of 7 or more
I then tested with PSG, I know it's easy testing using PSG but they have a very good team and its good to compare against other elite tests. The league and French cups were won whilst we got knocked out of the CL in the semi's by Liverpool. We achieved 106 points in the league, scoring 113 and conceding just 19! Mbappe was top scorer with 47 in 56 games. Beating all the league averages on team report and again over half the squad achieving a rating of 7 or higher.
As part of the PSG test, I also test with Villa. I use Villa as they aren't in any of the competitions PSG are in so it avoids them clashing. Well what can I say about this test. They only went and won the league. 84 points achieved scoring 72 (5th best) and conceding 34(3rd best), that is Villa conceding less than 1 goal per game Danny Ings top scored with 20 in 42 and just shy of half the team that played achieving a rating of 7 or more. Now this Villa team according to the team selection at the start of the game are predicted to finish 18th. Above all but 1 average on team report, shots on target is slightly less again.
I also tested with Atletico Madrid and Forest, A. Madrid are predicted and narrowly missed out on winning the league, didnt do too well in the other cups. Team scored 101 goals and conceded 26. In terms of ratings there were only 5 with a rating of 7 or higher, however a lot of players were close to a 7 rating. Suarez was top scorer with 22 in 27, so seems he missed a lot of games through injuries. Again beating all league averages in team report bar 1, shots on target.
Forest I believe are predicted 12th, however we manage to go up automatically with 99 points scoring 84 goals (4th best) and conceding just 35 (3rd best). Lewis Grabban top scored with 31 in 51 games. beating all league averages in team report bar 1, shots on target. (reading that this statistic seems to be the one falling under the league average, maybe I should take a look at who is actually taking the shots and adding shoot less often to them). Ratings wise, I wasn't expecting a lot of greens because of the quality of the players but looking at the ratings, they surpassed my expectations, a lot of players around the 7 mark or higher.
I think overall the tactic is very solid, it scores goals and concedes very little. It also seems to get the best out of the majority of the squad, especially with elite teams
I think the biggest shock for me was how much the tac fam increases when training the tactic roles, you could potentially do that for a month, play a few games then hand individual training back over to your AM if that's your preference and your team will be fully familiar before the season starts
I don't know if this has been posted here before, but wanted to share something with you in the hope that it might help people speed up the tactical familiarity for their team.
I was having a discussion on a discord channel in regards to putting the same tactic in to all 3 slots on the tactic screen to speed up the tac fam, however I wasn't really convinced as for years I have only put my tactic in 1 slot and played away.
So this got my curiosity juices flowing and I decided to perform some tests. I used Villa for the test. I was then going on holiday for a month and then checking the difference. I used the same tactic each time and selected the same 11 for consistency.
The familiarity when the team was selected -
Test 1 - Tactic in 1 slot, holiday for 1 month. AM in charge of training.
Test 2 - Tactic in all slots, holiday for 1 month. AM in charge of training.
So as you can hopefully see, the margins are different, putting it in 3 slots does slightly increase the familiarity quicker, but not by much.
Test 3 - Added tactic to 3 slots, however this time, I set the individual training to the role the player had been quick picked for in the tactic. General training again was left to AM
Test 4 - Added tactic to 3 slots, I set the individual training to the role the player had been quick picked for in the tactic. General training again was left to AM. This time I set friendlies to be played every 4 days within that month as Villa normally only play 2 pre season friendlies within the first month
I tested the parameters on test 3 over and over again, I must have tested it at least 10 times and I got the same result each time.
So my conclusion is by putting the tactic into all 3 slots and setting the individual training to the roles on the tactic seems to pretty much max out the tac fam bar.
Villa team tac fam before kicking 1 month test off
Individual roles set
Villa team tac fam after 1 month
Only 2 games played
Now I know others may have a different opinion, but I thought that I would share this incase anyone is struggling to get a team familiar with a tactic
On behalf of Brommers1992, Hybrid 424 Winger IF, all screenshots provided are from Brommers1992, tested with United, Angers and RC Lens. United and Angers won the league. RC Lens finished 3rd.
A devastating 4231 that will get you lots of goals but will also remain solid in defence. Tested with numerous teams. Holiday test with AM in charge of training and team selection.
PSG, won the treble scoring 133 goals in the league and conceding just 19. Mbappe scored 47 goals in all comps.
Villa finished 4th scoring 81 (3rd best) and conceding 41 (6th best)
Atletico Madrid, won the league scoring 102 goals, conceding 24. Suarez scored 45 goals.
Forest, finished 2nd, auto promotion, scored 77 goals and conceded 44 (less than 1 goal per goal)
Metal said: I can confirm Waves V3 with dw is complete utter domination. Better than blue imo since your players don't get overworked and fried plus the ss scores bucklet loads on this won
Defence is a beast, midfield is ferocious, attack is unstoppable
The only gripe I have is the corner set piece s seem a bit more watered down, not scoring as much from there but the goals from open play is enough
I mean check out some of the ridiculous score lines 6-0, 7-0, 8-0 and hardly conceding Expand
Granny Poison WBsupp, a tweaked version of the original. Please see results below. (7 tests, all ran separately, editor used to become unsackable NOTHING ELSE!) As always, holiday tested with AM in charge of team selection and training **SPOILER ALERT - VILLA WON THE LEAGUE** I wanted to test Elite, Subtop and Underdog across different leagues so hopefully these results show that it can work across multiple leagues with different types of teams
Main Changes in V2,
Left FB changed to WB support with some PI changes
Tactic is still very strong defensively, Forest conceded 31 goals in 46 games.
Dortmund Test completed. 91 points in the league. 11 points dropped. Ranked 1st for goals scored and conceded. Haaland 51 goals in all comps. Got the semi's of the UCL before being knocked out by A.Madrid. Defeated in the DFB-Pokal final and won the DFB-Supercup. So achieved a double, but didnt expect to get above 85 points in the league.
The teams general performance is above the league average
Tested with Liverpool, Villa and PSG. As always team selection and training left to AM. Editor only used to make Test Manager un-sackable during the holiday test.
Ill start with PSG as the test was unbelievable, 38 games, 36 wins, 2 draws, 0 defeats. 122 goals scored and just 5 conceded. Yes ONLY 5 CONCEDED. Conceded 17 in all competitions, 5 of which came away against Man United in the CL. All Cups PSG entered, they won. 30 games in all comps without conceding a goal. 47 clean sheets in all comps, 34 in the league.
Even managed to unlock a couple of achievements on steam too
Mbappe was top scorer with 38 from 55 games, contributed 17 assists too. From what I can see he was mostly played on the right wing.
The Liverpool was not as devastating but still impressive as they won all the trophies on offer just as did PSG, 96 points in the league with only 2 defeats. Ranked top for goals scored and conceded. Only 18 conceded in the league.
The Villa test proved that this tactic also works for underdogs, Villa are predicted 18th but managed to finish 4th. Only 1 point behind Man United in 3rd. Ollie Watkins scoring 36 goals. Villa were ranked 3rd for goals scored and 4th for goals conceded.
As you can see from the general performance screenshot, Villa out performed all the league averages which for a team who are predicted 18th, is very impressive.
I will run more tests as I normally do and show the results in the comments
I just want to let you know that If you want the new version you uploaded were considered as a candidate for the testing then you should added it through the tactic upload manager
In case you don't then you can leave it as an attachment. Expand
Thanks Zippo,
I have updated the post and added the tactic through the upload manager
For me the AP is the creator, initially when I was looking at that role for the 4231, I imagined Bruno Fernandes there and although he scores quite a fair amount of goals, he is more of a creator. He had 32 goal contributions from playing that role, well mostly playing that role from what I can tell in the holiday test
I have been working on this tactic for a few days, it initially started out as a 4231 as I was trying to replicate the way I believe Man United line up, however it didn't seem solid enough and no matter what I changed in terms of roles/duties/instructions it didn't improve the solidity of the 4231. In sheer frustration I reverted it to a 4411, moving the LW to LM and RW to RM and the results have astounded me.
The Tactic
As always, I holiday test my tactics, leaving AM in charge of training and team selection. Editor was used but this was only to make the test manager unsackable. Injuries/Fitness etc are enabled as you will be able to see from the squad screenshots.
I tested initially with United as it was the United tactic I was trying to replicate and the results were very very good, it won the league and all cups. The vast majority of the squad achieved a rating of 7 or higher, only 4 players didn't achieve this (Cavani, Lingard, Heaton and Grant). We scored 100 goals in the league and conceded only 13!! Ronaldo scored 58 in 57 games. The team report shows that in all but 1 area we were better than the league average. (It was narrowly under the shots on target average) but as you can see from the results below, the tactic smashed the league.
I then tested with my usual single elite team test, Liverpool. The team achieved a double (PL and CL) . Scoring 107 in the league and conceding very little again, 14! Mo Salah top scored with 43 in 49 games. Beating the league average in all areas according to the team report. Again over half squad achieved a rating of 7 or more
I then tested with PSG, I know it's easy testing using PSG but they have a very good team and its good to compare against other elite tests. The league and French cups were won whilst we got knocked out of the CL in the semi's by Liverpool. We achieved 106 points in the league, scoring 113 and conceding just 19! Mbappe was top scorer with 47 in 56 games. Beating all the league averages on team report and again over half the squad achieving a rating of 7 or higher.
As part of the PSG test, I also test with Villa. I use Villa as they aren't in any of the competitions PSG are in so it avoids them clashing. Well what can I say about this test. They only went and won the league. 84 points achieved scoring 72 (5th best) and conceding 34(3rd best), that is Villa conceding less than 1 goal per game
I also tested with Atletico Madrid and Forest, A. Madrid are predicted and narrowly missed out on winning the league, didnt do too well in the other cups. Team scored 101 goals and conceded 26. In terms of ratings there were only 5 with a rating of 7 or higher, however a lot of players were close to a 7 rating. Suarez was top scorer with 22 in 27, so seems he missed a lot of games through injuries. Again beating all league averages in team report bar 1, shots on target.
Forest I believe are predicted 12th, however we manage to go up automatically with 99 points scoring 84 goals (4th best) and conceding just 35 (3rd best). Lewis Grabban top scored with 31 in 51 games. beating all league averages in team report bar 1, shots on target. (reading that this statistic seems to be the one falling under the league average, maybe I should take a look at who is actually taking the shots and adding shoot less often to them). Ratings wise, I wasn't expecting a lot of greens because of the quality of the players but looking at the ratings, they surpassed my expectations, a lot of players around the 7 mark or higher.
I think overall the tactic is very solid, it scores goals and concedes very little. It also seems to get the best out of the majority of the squad, especially with elite teams
First off, sorry for the small images
I don't know if this has been posted here before, but wanted to share something with you in the hope that it might help people speed up the tactical familiarity for their team.
I was having a discussion on a discord channel in regards to putting the same tactic in to all 3 slots on the tactic screen to speed up the tac fam, however I wasn't really convinced as for years I have only put my tactic in 1 slot and played away.
So this got my curiosity juices flowing and I decided to perform some tests. I used Villa for the test. I was then going on holiday for a month and then checking the difference. I used the same tactic each time and selected the same 11 for consistency.
The familiarity when the team was selected -
Test 1 - Tactic in 1 slot, holiday for 1 month. AM in charge of training.
Test 2 - Tactic in all slots, holiday for 1 month. AM in charge of training.
So as you can hopefully see, the margins are different, putting it in 3 slots does slightly increase the familiarity quicker, but not by much.
Test 3 - Added tactic to 3 slots, however this time, I set the individual training to the role the player had been quick picked for in the tactic. General training again was left to AM
Test 4 - Added tactic to 3 slots, I set the individual training to the role the player had been quick picked for in the tactic. General training again was left to AM. This time I set friendlies to be played every 4 days within that month as Villa normally only play 2 pre season friendlies within the first month
I tested the parameters on test 3 over and over again, I must have tested it at least 10 times and I got the same result each time.
So my conclusion is by putting the tactic into all 3 slots and setting the individual training to the roles on the tactic seems to pretty much max out the tac fam bar.
Villa team tac fam before kicking 1 month test off
Individual roles set
Villa team tac fam after 1 month
Only 2 games played
Now I know others may have a different opinion, but I thought that I would share this incase anyone is struggling to get a team familiar with a tactic
Cheers mate, just noticed the Angers screenshot has 2 IFs, Ill get him to send me the correct version
Uploaded the one Brommers sent me, you got a screenshot of it please pal?
PSG, won the treble scoring 133 goals in the league and conceding just 19. Mbappe scored 47 goals in all comps.
Villa finished 4th scoring 81 (3rd best) and conceding 41 (6th best)
Atletico Madrid, won the league scoring 102 goals, conceding 24. Suarez scored 45 goals.
Forest, finished 2nd, auto promotion, scored 77 goals and conceded 44 (less than 1 goal per goal)
Defence is a beast, midfield is ferocious, attack is unstoppable
The only gripe I have is the corner set piece s seem a bit more watered down, not scoring as much from there but the goals from open play is enough
I mean check out some of the ridiculous score lines 6-0, 7-0, 8-0 and hardly conceding
DW on support? any PIs?
Brilliant, love it
Everyone seems to be raving about V2, to be fair it is very good
Can you please test this tactic? Its a 4231 by Brommers1992 and it smashed the Kippa test.
Here is a link to the video on which the tactic was reviewed. Fantastic results
Thanks
Main Changes in V2,
Left FB changed to WB support with some PI changes
Tactic is still very strong defensively, Forest conceded 31 goals in 46 games.
Liverpool
PSG
Villa
A.Madrid
Forest
Atalanta
Dortmund
The teams general performance is above the league average
Ill start with PSG as the test was unbelievable, 38 games, 36 wins, 2 draws, 0 defeats. 122 goals scored and just 5 conceded. Yes ONLY 5 CONCEDED. Conceded 17 in all competitions, 5 of which came away against Man United in the CL. All Cups PSG entered, they won. 30 games in all comps without conceding a goal. 47 clean sheets in all comps, 34 in the league.
Even managed to unlock a couple of achievements on steam too
Mbappe was top scorer with 38 from 55 games, contributed 17 assists too. From what I can see he was mostly played on the right wing.
The Liverpool was not as devastating but still impressive as they won all the trophies on offer just as did PSG, 96 points in the league with only 2 defeats. Ranked top for goals scored and conceded. Only 18 conceded in the league.
The Villa test proved that this tactic also works for underdogs, Villa are predicted 18th but managed to finish 4th. Only 1 point behind Man United in 3rd. Ollie Watkins scoring 36 goals. Villa were ranked 3rd for goals scored and 4th for goals conceded.
As you can see from the general performance screenshot, Villa out performed all the league averages which for a team who are predicted 18th, is very impressive.
I will run more tests as I normally do and show the results in the comments
As always, enjoy and feedback is always welcome
Come on now, don't be a tool. Not seen you comment when others have posted review videos in the other tactic threads
I just want to let you know that If you want the new version you uploaded were considered as a candidate for the testing then you should added it through the tactic upload manager
In case you don't then you can leave it as an attachment.
Thanks Zippo,
I have updated the post and added the tactic through the upload manager