Delicious said: i was going next to it but iwb is doing under perfoming on 4231, i tried iwb/iw on balance,but not on offensive i mean i tried them 100% but at the time my personal test didn't were acceptable. Gonna test it later Expand
Delicious said: It should works with SS as well, i wanted an option that was minimize the impact on the tactic at all but to give something back and .-. As you see on 4141 is working better because there are actually 2 SS. But if you don't have low wings i guess it's still a bit useless Expand
Wonder if u have tried IWB with IF/IW with stay wide PI... did u?
Losing the battles(test),like no toworrow but once again here am i standing still. The arena test is asking for mercy,the computing power already used is already over 9000(won't even calculate mine because imma get an headache.
Changelog:
Spoiler
-Stuck-in= i don't really understand why it's working for others tactics but the poor innocent 4231 can't... -Overlaps over underlaps,maybe one SS isn't enough for it... -GK on (DEF) guess it's self-explanotory after all of those test. -Changed the pass distruibuition,standard over all expect WBs/IFs/SS/AF -Sit Narrowed only for IF(i will think if is the case to put even on WB) -Add Focus play down the left and right (because on positive test it gave some results and because i want to give some colors as well to the istructions :woot
The vacation test went decent even tho the wild beast haaland got injuried and didn't play like 11-12 games and the mini-gnome Alverez tried to do his job...
City:
Spoiler
Bournemouth:
Spoiler
-Arena's server machine... in a while
Spoiler Expand
Underlaps are not for forwards, but to enhance IWB. Do u have roaming for the SS?
Base Tactic: Senjutsu III + feedbacks from today by the testers
Changes made to the base tactic:
- run at defense restaured - be more expressive - alot of little tweaks on PIs (changed the logic behind supporting roles and attacking ones) - low crosses added - passing shorter added - distribute to the flanks removed - SK on Attacking now
Leontin said: Hi guys, can you please help with advice on training schedule routine and OI opposition instrions. Can I leave the assistant manager dealing with them or? Expand
I deliever my OI to ass man with huge tactical knowledge and JPA. About trainning I use Daljit (Bust the net) schedule routine.
- run at defense removed (tried to cfg certain roles with drible more instead) - iwb on support - passing it shorter/shoot less often removed from everyone (work ball into box added)
- changing in the roles making the tactic assymetrical - changing in overall PI's (I would to like highlight SS tweak roam from position, I feel like this may a PI that will improve things up once it may allow this role to be more useful in attacking transitions).
I was comparing the tests logs of the 2 tactics on the top of the table (Xmas and Useless). I've noticed that XMas defends way better while Useless scores way more. So I thought, why do not bring the best of the two worlds?
Ty Expand
maybe the IWB on defensive role was too agressive, lmao my tests the support role are performing way better
CBP87 said: I would normally agree considering the test results, however just tested overlap with IWB and got my best results thus far Expand
XMas was a 53 score tactic before underlap, but fore sure will be nice see what IWB with overlap brings to the table. Is something we are all missing, lets see... ty!
- changing in the roles making the tactic assymetrical - changing in overall PI's (I would to like highlight SS tweak roam from position, I feel like this may a PI that will improve things up once it may allow this role to be more useful in attacking transitions).
I was comparing the tests logs of the 2 tactics on the top of the table (Xmas and Useless). I've noticed that XMas defends way better while Useless scores way more. So I thought, why do not bring the best of the two worlds?
Delicious said: unlikely yes, the only thing can be compared to a DM is the regista but i am not pretty sure if you can put it on def(tried only on (SU) way)and still you need to make a setup for it,if i were you i would have tried regista on this kind of tactic,since you protect him with iwb and dw.
But still,i have a league setuped similar to Arena,but it's not giving the same results,so if we trying to measure things with different parametrers it's just gonna lead it on a wrong direction,i might be wrong,i mean to be "sure" you should just change piece by piece, test piece by piece. That's what i am doing but without the leading (arena test) it would be like nosense. Expand
Yeah, sometimes I feel like it just a math sheet. If u put a regista (s) instead a dm (d) u should changing something out there like iwb (s) to compensate something... sometimes im just lost and losing direction, im getting kinda tired. I ll try to improve my methods b4 put stuff into test.
Zippo said: For the previous FM versions we uploaded game saves for each test but we found people weren't too interest in that so we it isn't worth bothering.
But if you're interested in some player data I can upload game saves for you.
If we see there's a great demand for game saves then we can start uploading them again. Expand
I have one question, can we run small changing things here? Like for example, XMas_twkd3 with just a BWM alteration. Then XMas_twkd3 without passing shorter PI's and just working ball into the box. Etc...
Delicious said: I tried BWM alot ._. and it's not even near to a normal pivot (def),you can't really assume something from vacation,that run doesn't mean nothing,maybe was mega bad run you don't know that, but you can just compare your data (from the previous test) with this one. Would be great if we could see, player stats and team stats from the results! Expand
Yeah, we need to create our own metrics too. BWM is that way worse? @Delicious
- shorter passing for the attacking roles exchanged by shoot less often - BWM (D) instead of DM (D) - nobody tried this - AF's player swap like the Corsair tactic that endured so long at the #1 spot of the table - FM arena set pieces routine added
As u guys may see by the results Chelsea underperformed along the season. So I may assume that the shoot less often PI weakens the tactic or the ball winning midfielder roaming and pressing around.
CBP87 said: Thanks mate, appreciate that and also appreciate that there are some similarities with your XMAS tactics but I can assure you this is just an update of the FM21 tactic Expand
I know, Im just curious to see how ur tactic is going to perform. There ll be huge feedback from this.
camcaio said: will do, sorry so translating: what is the type of playerd needed for the role of defensive winger? those players need to be good on defense (having high marking, tackling etc) or being just good offensivelly (like most wingers) its still effective? Wondering because is really rare to find players that can play on that role on the field and that are good on both ends, usually only LBs or RBs fits that Expand
any spicy trait will be good with some acc and pace, In the tests I used Sterling as DW (L) and Ziech as DW (R)
Gonna test it later
Did u ever tried TREQ in SS place?
As you see on 4141 is working better because there are actually 2 SS. But if you don't have low wings i guess it's still a bit useless
Wonder if u have tried IWB with IF/IW with stay wide PI... did u?
4231 Nurmagomedov
Losing the battles(test),like no toworrow but once again here am i standing still. The arena test is asking for mercy,the computing power already used is already over 9000(won't even calculate mine because imma get an headache.
Changelog:
Spoiler -Stuck-in= i don't really understand why it's working for others tactics but the poor innocent 4231 can't...
-Overlaps over underlaps,maybe one SS isn't enough for it...
-GK on (DEF) guess it's self-explanotory after all of those test.
-Changed the pass distruibuition,standard over all expect WBs/IFs/SS/AF
-Sit Narrowed only for IF(i will think if is the case to put even on WB)
-Add Focus play down the left and right (because on positive test it gave some results and because i want to give some colors as well to the istructions :woot
The vacation test went decent even tho the wild beast haaland got injuried and didn't play like 11-12 games and the mini-gnome Alverez tried to do his job...
City:
Spoiler
Bournemouth:
Spoiler
-Arena's server machine... in a while Spoiler
Underlaps are not for forwards, but to enhance IWB. Do u have roaming for the SS?
Base Tactic: Senjutsu III + feedbacks from today by the testers
Changes made to the base tactic:
- run at defense restaured
- be more expressive
- alot of little tweaks on PIs (changed the logic behind supporting roles and attacking ones)
- low crosses added
- passing shorter added
- distribute to the flanks removed
- SK on Attacking now
Spoiler
I deliever my OI to ass man with huge tactical knowledge and JPA. About trainning I use Daljit (Bust the net) schedule routine.
Base Tactic: Senjutsu II
Changes made to the base tactic:
- run at defense removed (tried to cfg certain roles with drible more instead)
- iwb on support
- passing it shorter/shoot less often removed from everyone (work ball into box added)
Here my results with Nott Forest:
Spoiler
your player traits generates very good interactions, gj
Base Tactic:
It's XMAS_twkd3 - https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/16759/
Useless_4-4-2 - https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/16897/
Changes made to the base tactic:
- changing in the roles making the tactic assymetrical
- changing in overall PI's (I would to like highlight SS tweak roam from position, I feel like this may a PI that will improve things up once it may allow this role to be more useful in attacking transitions).
I was comparing the tests logs of the 2 tactics on the top of the table (Xmas and Useless). I've noticed that XMas defends way better while Useless scores way more. So I thought, why do not bring the best of the two worlds?
Ty
maybe the IWB on defensive role was too agressive, lmao
my tests the support role are performing way better
XMas was a 53 score tactic before underlap, but fore sure will be nice see what IWB with overlap brings to the table. Is something we are all missing, lets see... ty!
Base Tactic:
It's XMAS_twkd3 - https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/16759/
Useless_4-4-2 - https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/16897/
Changes made to the base tactic:
- changing in the roles making the tactic assymetrical
- changing in overall PI's (I would to like highlight SS tweak roam from position, I feel like this may a PI that will improve things up once it may allow this role to be more useful in attacking transitions).
I was comparing the tests logs of the 2 tactics on the top of the table (Xmas and Useless). I've noticed that XMas defends way better while Useless scores way more. So I thought, why do not bring the best of the two worlds?
Ty
Spoiler
But still,i have a league setuped similar to Arena,but it's not giving the same results,so if we trying to measure things with different parametrers it's just gonna lead it on a wrong direction,i might be wrong,i mean to be "sure" you should just change piece by piece, test piece by piece.
That's what i am doing but without the leading (arena test) it would be like nosense.
Yeah, sometimes I feel like it just a math sheet. If u put a regista (s) instead a dm (d) u should changing something out there like iwb (s) to compensate something... sometimes im just lost and losing direction, im getting kinda tired. I ll try to improve my methods b4 put stuff into test.
But if you're interested in some player data I can upload game saves for you.
If we see there's a great demand for game saves then we can start uploading them again.
I have one question, can we run small changing things here? Like for example, XMas_twkd3 with just a BWM alteration. Then XMas_twkd3 without passing shorter PI's and just working ball into the box. Etc...
Yeah, we need to create our own metrics too. BWM is that way worse? @Delicious
Senjutsu I
Base Tactic: It's XMAS_twkd3 - https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/16759/
Changes made to the base tactic:
- shorter passing for the attacking roles exchanged by shoot less often
- BWM (D) instead of DM (D) - nobody tried this
- AF's player swap like the Corsair tactic that endured so long at the #1 spot of the table
- FM arena set pieces routine added
As u guys may see by the results Chelsea underperformed along the season. So I may assume that the shoot less often PI weakens the tactic or the ball winning midfielder roaming and pressing around.
Ty once again ^^
Spoiler
Senjutsu II - https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/17286/
Senjutsu III- https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/17311/
Senjutsu IV - https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/17345/
Senjutsu V - https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/17374/
Senjutsu VI (RIP SS) - https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/17378/
Senjutsu VII - https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/17606/
Senjutsu VIII - https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/17639/
Senjutsu VIX - https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/17655/
Senjutsu X - https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/17658/
Senjutsu XI - https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/17702/
I know, Im just curious to see how ur tactic is going to perform. There ll be huge feedback from this.
so translating: what is the type of playerd needed for the role of defensive winger? those players need to be good on defense (having high marking, tackling etc) or being just good offensivelly (like most wingers) its still effective? Wondering because is really rare to find players that can play on that role on the field and that are good on both ends, usually only LBs or RBs fits that
any spicy trait will be good with some acc and pace, In the tests I used Sterling as DW (L) and Ziech as DW (R)
PF(D) seemed to work in a attack trio in terms of score