babemocni1988 said: That is my opinion as i sad and i would like that someone can do to change my mind... Expand
All my life experience tells me that almost always an attempt to change someone's mind is just a waste of time so I won't do that.
Some people believe that aliens in charge of everything on the Earth. Some people believe that SI releases patches with some secret/undocumented changes to screw up their tactics. Some people believe that you get much better results when you play matches in the 2D mode instead of the 3D mode...
I'd prefer leaving people alone and allowing them to believe in what they want to believe
https://www.mediafire.com/file/nhb78nvig55t1nv/Ivan+Barbic+-+West+Ham.fm/file this was my first 11 dominated first season Buyed left back to replace creswell,BPD to replace Ogbona,right back to replace Fridricks,and added replacement for one shadow by Nikola Vlasic amazing Shadow... and my results was awfull... Expand
I've looked into your save and found that your team is predicted to finish the 8th place so in the second season your team is still nothing special, it's just a mid table team. I don't get... what's your expectation? Are you expecting to get 110 pts?
Have you thought that the crazy results you got in the first season could be due to being extremely lucky?
And in the second season the extreme luck is gone and the results will be less crazy but still they will be better than your your media prediction.
It looks like some people just don't understand that sometimes in this game you can be very lucky/unlucky but that's the way the game works.
Marck said: after having problems with my pc, and downloaded fm again, I think this tactic will fit perfectly with liverpool, how will you say the best start 11 looks Expand
ZaZ said: Wow, this is by far the worst tactic of this patch. I am trying to understand what makes it so bad, if the Libero, Stay On Feet, Hold Shape or Inverted Wingers. Expand
This tactic has a record of 2.425 conceded goals per match in the test and it's almost the worst record... obviously, tactics with only 3 defenders work very poorly in FM21.
Bogeyman said: I think for Central Defenders Jumping Reach, Positioning and Anticipating are more important than Dribbling and Vision. Expand
ZaZ said: Maybe you are right for vision. However, I think Dribbling is still important, since removing dribble more from defenders (changing to CD) make them perform worse.
P.S.: To be honest, ignoring tiers B and down would be ok, since the difference is only big enough for the other 4 top attributes. You can use other tiers for tiebreaking. Expand
As the testing revealed the Dribbling attribute is an important attribute but I'm sure its importance varies for different positions.
I don't believe Dribbling is very important for Central Defenders or it's more important than Jumping Reach for them.
It had a significant impact on the result in the testing because there are still 8 positions in the tactic(except Central Defenders) that depend on Dribbling attributes and I'm sure all that also apply to Vision attribute.
ZaZ said: I think they tried to discredit the results. One guy said "that proves you can't just plug and play and push holiday button", which is clearly a way of minimizing his methodology. The other guy said the difference of 4% was too small to mean anything and it was just RNG factors, while another was saying you can't say there is a clear winner, when there is clear statistical relevance to the results.
What I mean is that more people appeared to say something negative than to compliment the effort. Expand
I think if you aren't ready to hear any criticism or a different opinion then you shouldn't post anything on the internet
Constructive criticism is a good thing, it helps evaluating and improving.
ZaZ said: It's funny how it became something about Blue 2.0, when we should be appreciating all effort he put there. Expand
Pal, you're exaggerating here. I really don't see anyone tries "demotivate" Mark or saying anything negative about your Blue 2.0.
Guys were just pointing the weak and strong sides of different testing methods and that's all. I'm sure that such discussion can help people to improve their testing methods.
You don't need to be lucky in every match of the season.
Against weaker opponents it's enough just not to be unlucky and you win due to having better players and using a better tactic.
Against stronger or equal opponents you need some luck to win, especially playing away.
How many teams in the league are stronger than your team? About 7 teams? So you need to be lucky in 10-12 matches during the season.
All my life experience tells me that almost always an attempt to change someone's mind is just a waste of time so I won't do that.
Some people believe that aliens in charge of everything on the Earth. Some people believe that SI releases patches with some secret/undocumented changes to screw up their tactics. Some people believe that you get much better results when you play matches in the 2D mode instead of the 3D mode...
I'd prefer leaving people alone and allowing them to believe in what they want to believe
The luck is present in every match and in every area of the game.
With a weaker team you need more luck to win than with a stronger team.
With a less effective tactic you need more luck to win than with a more effective tactic.
Generally speaking, 50 matches is nothing in the scale of FM.
You don't need be very lucky in all matches during the season, you just need to lucky in some matches against stronger opponents.
Just check one of the recent FM-Arena tests - https://fm-arena.com/tactic/990-lsplaysfm-s-4-1-2-1-2-unbreakable-diamond-2-0/
Test #3
Both teams got 261 pts( the 1st place and the 3rd place )
Test #6
Both teams got 230 pts( the 2nd place and the 5th places)
https://www.mediafire.com/file/nhb78nvig55t1nv/Ivan+Barbic+-+West+Ham.fm/file
this was my first 11 dominated first season
Buyed left back to replace creswell,BPD to replace Ogbona,right back to replace Fridricks,and added replacement for one shadow by Nikola Vlasic amazing Shadow...
and my results was awfull...
I've looked into your save and found that your team is predicted to finish the 8th place so in the second season your team is still nothing special, it's just a mid table team. I don't get... what's your expectation? Are you expecting to get 110 pts?
Have you thought that the crazy results you got in the first season could be due to being extremely lucky?
And in the second season the extreme luck is gone and the results will be less crazy but still they will be better than your your media prediction.
It looks like some people just don't understand that sometimes in this game you can be very lucky/unlucky but that's the way the game works.
I wouldn't say it fits perfectly and I'd better go with Inquisitor - https://fm-arena.com/tactic/957-inquisitor-v-1/
But you can try this:
A strikerless tactic fits Everton very poorly, it requires completely rebuilding the team.
I suggest trying Inquisitor instead. It fits Everton perfectly - https://fm-arena.com/tactic/957-inquisitor-v-1/
a strikerless tactic fits poorly Arsenal so you'd better go with this tactic - https://fm-arena.com/tactic/953-fanatic/
and when you'll get players that can play the shadow strikers then you can use this tactic
Hi,
Are those results for the 21.4 patch?
I agree, I'm getting very similar results with both tactics and if it feels that you concede more or score more with one them then it's just RNG
Is there any info available about 21.3 path release date?
The 20.3 patch for FM20 was released on 20 February so I think the 21.3 patch for FM21 should be available this week or the next week.
This tactic has a record of 2.425 conceded goals per match in the test and it's almost the worst record... obviously, tactics with only 3 defenders work very poorly in FM21.
ZaZ said: Maybe you are right for vision. However, I think Dribbling is still important, since removing dribble more from defenders (changing to CD) make them perform worse.
P.S.: To be honest, ignoring tiers B and down would be ok, since the difference is only big enough for the other 4 top attributes. You can use other tiers for tiebreaking.
As the testing revealed the Dribbling attribute is an important attribute but I'm sure its importance varies for different positions.
I don't believe Dribbling is very important for Central Defenders or it's more important than Jumping Reach for them.
It had a significant impact on the result in the testing because there are still 8 positions in the tactic(except Central Defenders) that depend on Dribbling attributes and I'm sure all that also apply to Vision attribute.
Just look at the Salah and Mane attributes, they both have 18 Acceleration and 18 Pace
No wonder, Liverpool is the strongest team in FM21
What I mean is that more people appeared to say something negative than to compliment the effort.
I think if you aren't ready to hear any criticism or a different opinion then you shouldn't post anything on the internet
Constructive criticism is a good thing, it helps evaluating and improving.
Pal, you're exaggerating here. I really don't see anyone tries "demotivate" Mark or saying anything negative about your Blue 2.0.
Guys were just pointing the weak and strong sides of different testing methods and that's all. I'm sure that such discussion can help people to improve their testing methods.
Yup. No changes for me too.
Could you please try this tactic for me? It is my tactic that was very efficient on FM20, maybe it still is in FM21
I think it's been tested for FM21 already - https://fm-arena.com/tactic/617-4222-moyibi/