DoubleR said: Would you guys say Pace and acceleration are still the most OP stats? Like is it 'safe' to just have my whole team focus on those 2 for individual training? (together with the player role so other stats increase too of course) Expand
You need to be very careful when add too much physical training, not every player will be happy with that, also, it might cause a high probability of injuries and tiredness.
From my experience it's quite difficult to improve physical attributes.
Btw, if you look at the table - https://fm-arena.com/table/9-important-attributes/ other attributes such as Agility, Balance Dribbling and Vision are also very important and they should not be ignored.
Asstem said: When you play without rotation it helps to pass the season without injuries. But players get "rst" Expand
On the screenshots you posted I see that the players don't have their morale and conditions at 100% which means something is wrong with the FMRTE freezing, also, players never get "rst" if FMRTE freezing is done properly.
Asstem said: agree. after 1st round all players get "rest". Results without rotation was bad Expand
That's why a testing without FMRTE makes no sense...
Also, what if some of the best players in your team or in the AI teams get a long term injury during a test? Something like that will greatly affect the result of the test.
ZaZ said: By the way, look what happened to my run with Leamington. I was in 5th, dreaming about a spot in the Euro Cup. However, my team started crumbling and won only one in the last ten matches. Does that mean the tactic stopped working? Absolutely not. My team is really weak, since no good player wants to join due to low reputation. It was predicted to be relegated. We are already overachieving by a lot, meaning either they started getting complacent for achieving their objective, or they cracked under pressure because of fighting for a spot in Euro Cup. In the end, I was incompetent in holding their spirits high and they don't have the right mentality for fighting there. Yet, I'm 8th place, better than last year when I finished 14th. I have high hopes for next year since my team is only getting stronger as time passes. Expand
Yup... and that's how the game works.
SI always will be tying to keep FM somehow realistic, which means when you play in one of the most challenging leagues in the game such as EPL and you manage a mid-table team or a bottom-table team then you can't expect to win the league title for granted even using the best tactic, of course, it might happen but the probability of it is very low.
I've been noticing that in EPL you start getting a really high chance on winning the league only when your team in the top 5-7 and I find that's how it should be if we want FM to be somehow realistic.
The purpose of this thread is to help beginner players make a basic analysis of their results and guide them in the right direction.
I've been noticing that almost all beginner players when they are unhappy about their results start to blame their tactics for that, they don't understand that the quality of their tactics is only one of the many factors(and not the biggest one) that determine the results. Here are some of the other factors:
- The quality of your players, this factor has an even bigger influence on the result than the quality of your tactic. Don't believe me? Just try using different tactics with such clubs as Barcelona, Man City, Liverpool, PSG and you'll see that with these clubs almost any tactic(even a poor one) gives you an opportunity of winning trophies. It's important to understand that even the best tactics don't guarantee winning trophies, it just helps you overachieving and to do better than your media prediction ( the quality of your players ) but that overachieving has its limits, for example, if you play in EPL ( the most challenging league in the world ) and your team has 10th prediction then you should not expect easily winning the title even using the best tactic in the game and finishing somewhere in the top 5 would a good result.
- The morale level of your players, this factor also has a significant impact on the results. If you don't know how to properly handle 'Team Meetings', 'Team Talks', 'Individual Conversations(Praise Player/Warn Player)' then your results always will be worse than they could be.
- A proper handling of the 'Touchline Instructions' is another important factor which also has a significant impact on the results. If you don't handle the 'Touchline Instructions' properly then your results always will be worse than they could be.
- A proper team rotation during the season also has a great impact on the results. You need to properly rotate your team during the season in order to keep all your players fit and fresh as possible. If you don't rotate your team and you use only your 11 best plyers to play the matches then they will get tired very fast and your results will be poor.
Another common mistake that many beginner players make is thinking that their results are poor when actually their results are OK. In order to avoid making this mistake I suggest always checking the media prediction table before the start of the season and always finishing the season before making any conclusions about your results.
IMPORTANT: You should always finish the season before making any conclusion! - making any conclusions before finishing the season is a big mistake!
Look at the picture below, it shows the EPL media prediction table, how things stand at the begging of the 1st season, the teams are order by the quality of their players:
Let's assume you picked Leeds(pred. 10th) and finished in the 9th place. Of course, such result isn't an outstanding result but still you did better than your media prediction so it can be consider as a positive result. If you used a more effective tactic and had more luck then you could finish in a higher place or even you could win the league but it's very important to understand that having the best tactic isn't the only what requires for winning in FM and there's no such tactic that gets you the EPL title with Leeds in the 1st season for granted and if there was such tactic then SI would fixed it immediately because it would made other important parts of the game irrelevant, for instance, why someone would want to get Messi or Ronaldo for his team if there's no any problem to win everything without such players in your team. I'm not saying that in FM it's impossible to win everything without Messi or Ronaldo in your team, I'm just saying that with such players in your team the probability of winning is much higher so having the best players in your team always will be giving benefits. So if you want to turn your club into an unstoppable force and become undefeatable then finding the best tactic won't be enough, it would also require bringing the best players into your club.
If you don't have time to play 3-5 seasons to build a strong team then I suggest using the 'Instant Result' to play some matches, it greatly speeds up the game processes.
I really hope this post will help beginner players to better understand the way the game works.
@babemocni1988, imagine... you pick West Ham, plug some cheating tactic and BOOM you've got 100pts at the end of the season.
Do you really think SI would allowed something like that?
If something like that was possible then what was the point in having such players as Messi or Ronaldo in your team? Or what was the point in trying to develop such players for your team? Or what was the point in becoming the richest club?
Many important areas in the game would be irrelevant in that case but SI spends a lot of its resources to develop those areas so they will never allow you to dominate the best leagues with mid-table clubs even using the most effective tactics.
Of course, you can get 100pts with West Ham but such result should be consider as a very lucky result and should not be expected and taken for granted.
babemocni1988 said: Sure nice explaned,so lets everybody play with Liverpool Barca and City and then maybe we dont need so lucky in every match Expand
I'm just saying that if you want to dominate the most challenging leagues in the game such as English Premier League, La Liga and some other leagues then your team must be as strong as Barca, Man City or Liverpool.
Do you think SI doesn't test things at all?
If it was possible to dominate English Premier League with West Ham using some cheating tactic then SI would fixed that immediately because in that case one of the most important part of the game was irrelevant, I'm talking about buying/developing the best players for your team.
You should never expect to dominate the best leagues in the with a mid table club even using the most effective tactics because something like that would be very unrealistic and SI will never allow that, of course, it's still possible to win those leagues with a mid table club or even a bottom table club but the probability of doing that is quite low.
Such matches is the reason why you always want to have the best team in the game because as you can see with your current team you got only 2.0 xG and that wasn't enough to score more than 1 goal and win the match but if you were Barca or Man City then probably you got 5.0 xG and your team scored 3 or more goals and you easily won it.
The game isn't only about having the most effective tactic but it's also about having the best players.
You focus too much on having the best tactic and you expect too much from having it but having the best players is no less important. Just try using any average tactic with Barcelona, Man City, Liverpool or PSG and you find yourself wining everything most of time even using an average tactic.
To get The Ring of Eternal Power in this game it requires having both ingredients: the most effective tactic and the best players. As you can see having only one of the ingredients doesn't give you The Ring of Eternal Power.
babemocni1988 said: I am trying to change my mentality and try to be happy whenever i get positive results against top 5 teams even if i get 20 shoots on goal and they got 5 Expand
You are on the right track, pal.
When you play against stronger opponents you always want to have some luck on your side.
Imagine, you are West Ham(pred. 10th) and you play vs Leeds(pred. 15th) and let's assume that with West Ham you can create 3 scoring chances in a match vs Leeds and if you are unlucky then your team might not score because 3 scoring chances isn't that many.
Now imagine, you are Man City(pred. 1st) and you play vs Leeds(pred. 15the) and let's assume that with Man City you can create 10 scoring chances in a match vs Leeds and if you are unlucky then probably your team still score 1-2 goals because 10 scoring chances is quite a lot.
So having a better team always has benefits because with a better team you can still win matches where you are quite unlucky.
babemocni1988 said: and starting thinking like you guys just i can not understand who should be unlucky here me or Arsenal or I should be lucky to get a draw agains them Expand
I see Alex Telles was sent off due to receiving the 2nd yellow card and after that Arsenal scored the 2nd goal but that could be prevented by reducing his tackling aggression or subbing him.
@babemocni1988, in FM nothing is predetermined and there are only probabilities and when you understand that the game becomes much more enjoyable.
Even with the strongest team and the most effective tactic there's still a very small probability of not wining the league and there's still a very small probability of doing that with the weakest team and the lest effective tactic.
Having a stronger team and using a more effective tactic just increases the probability of winning matches and it doesn't guarantee anything... sadly
babemocni1988 said: Perfect,then explane me why i couldnt win on the start against Leeds,Everton Bournemouth and Wolves...ahh i needed lucky even there,come on pal! Expand
Your team media prediction is 8th. Wolves media prediction is 10th. Bournemouth media prediction is 13th.
Those teams aren't much worse than your team and if you are a bit unlucky in matches against them then you can lose.
But all that really doesn't matter because at the end of the season you'll find your team's sitting above your media prediction before the season and that's the only what matters.
babemocni1988 said: That is my opinion as i sad and i would like that someone can do to change my mind... Expand
All my life experience tells me that almost always an attempt to change someone's mind is just a waste of time so I won't do that.
Some people believe that aliens in charge of everything on the Earth. Some people believe that SI releases patches with some secret/undocumented changes to screw up their tactics. Some people believe that you get much better results when you play matches in the 2D mode instead of the 3D mode...
I'd prefer leaving people alone and allowing them to believe in what they want to believe
https://www.mediafire.com/file/nhb78nvig55t1nv/Ivan+Barbic+-+West+Ham.fm/file this was my first 11 dominated first season Buyed left back to replace creswell,BPD to replace Ogbona,right back to replace Fridricks,and added replacement for one shadow by Nikola Vlasic amazing Shadow... and my results was awfull... Expand
I've looked into your save and found that your team is predicted to finish the 8th place so in the second season your team is still nothing special, it's just a mid table team. I don't get... what's your expectation? Are you expecting to get 110 pts?
Have you thought that the crazy results you got in the first season could be due to being extremely lucky?
And in the second season the extreme luck is gone and the results will be less crazy but still they will be better than your your media prediction.
It looks like some people just don't understand that sometimes in this game you can be very lucky/unlucky but that's the way the game works.
Nice one
You need to be very careful when add too much physical training, not every player will be happy with that, also, it might cause a high probability of injuries and tiredness.
From my experience it's quite difficult to improve physical attributes.
Btw, if you look at the table - https://fm-arena.com/table/9-important-attributes/ other attributes such as Agility, Balance Dribbling and Vision are also very important and they should not be ignored.
On the screenshots you posted I see that the players don't have their morale and conditions at 100% which means something is wrong with the FMRTE freezing, also, players never get "rst" if FMRTE freezing is done properly.
I suggest checking the FMRTE freezing settings.
That's why a testing without FMRTE makes no sense...
Also, what if some of the best players in your team or in the AI teams get a long term injury during a test? Something like that will greatly affect the result of the test.
Hi,
Do you use FMRTE to freeze the conditions and morale?
Yup... and that's how the game works.
SI always will be tying to keep FM somehow realistic, which means when you play in one of the most challenging leagues in the game such as EPL and you manage a mid-table team or a bottom-table team then you can't expect to win the league title for granted even using the best tactic, of course, it might happen but the probability of it is very low.
I've been noticing that in EPL you start getting a really high chance on winning the league only when your team in the top 5-7 and I find that's how it should be if we want FM to be somehow realistic.
This thread is inspired by Rince's thread - https://fm-arena.com/thread/1074-mythbusters-the-ai-learns-your-tactic-tactics-only-work-for-one-season/
The purpose of this thread is to help beginner players make a basic analysis of their results and guide them in the right direction.
I've been noticing that almost all beginner players when they are unhappy about their results start to blame their tactics for that, they don't understand that the quality of their tactics is only one of the many factors(and not the biggest one) that determine the results. Here are some of the other factors:
- The quality of your players, this factor has an even bigger influence on the result than the quality of your tactic. Don't believe me? Just try using different tactics with such clubs as Barcelona, Man City, Liverpool, PSG and you'll see that with these clubs almost any tactic(even a poor one) gives you an opportunity of winning trophies. It's important to understand that even the best tactics don't guarantee winning trophies, it just helps you overachieving and to do better than your media prediction ( the quality of your players ) but that overachieving has its limits, for example, if you play in EPL ( the most challenging league in the world ) and your team has 10th prediction then you should not expect easily winning the title even using the best tactic in the game and finishing somewhere in the top 5 would a good result.
- The morale level of your players, this factor also has a significant impact on the results. If you don't know how to properly handle 'Team Meetings', 'Team Talks', 'Individual Conversations(Praise Player/Warn Player)' then your results always will be worse than they could be.
- A proper handling of the 'Touchline Instructions' is another important factor which also has a significant impact on the results. If you don't handle the 'Touchline Instructions' properly then your results always will be worse than they could be.
- A proper team rotation during the season also has a great impact on the results. You need to properly rotate your team during the season in order to keep all your players fit and fresh as possible. If you don't rotate your team and you use only your 11 best plyers to play the matches then they will get tired very fast and your results will be poor.
Another common mistake that many beginner players make is thinking that their results are poor when actually their results are OK. In order to avoid making this mistake I suggest always checking the media prediction table before the start of the season and always finishing the season before making any conclusions about your results.
IMPORTANT: You should always finish the season before making any conclusion! - making any conclusions before finishing the season is a big mistake!
Look at the picture below, it shows the EPL media prediction table, how things stand at the begging of the 1st season, the teams are order by the quality of their players:
Let's assume you picked Leeds(pred. 10th) and finished in the 9th place. Of course, such result isn't an outstanding result but still you did better than your media prediction so it can be consider as a positive result. If you used a more effective tactic and had more luck then you could finish in a higher place or even you could win the league but it's very important to understand that having the best tactic isn't the only what requires for winning in FM and there's no such tactic that gets you the EPL title with Leeds in the 1st season for granted and if there was such tactic then SI would fixed it immediately because it would made other important parts of the game irrelevant, for instance, why someone would want to get Messi or Ronaldo for his team if there's no any problem to win everything without such players in your team. I'm not saying that in FM it's impossible to win everything without Messi or Ronaldo in your team, I'm just saying that with such players in your team the probability of winning is much higher so having the best players in your team always will be giving benefits. So if you want to turn your club into an unstoppable force and become undefeatable then finding the best tactic won't be enough, it would also require bringing the best players into your club.
If you don't have time to play 3-5 seasons to build a strong team then I suggest using the 'Instant Result' to play some matches, it greatly speeds up the game processes.
I really hope this post will help beginner players to better understand the way the game works.
Cheers.
Do you really think SI would allowed something like that?
If something like that was possible then what was the point in having such players as Messi or Ronaldo in your team? Or what was the point in trying to develop such players for your team? Or what was the point in becoming the richest club?
Many important areas in the game would be irrelevant in that case but SI spends a lot of its resources to develop those areas so they will never allow you to dominate the best leagues with mid-table clubs even using the most effective tactics.
Of course, you can get 100pts with West Ham but such result should be consider as a very lucky result and should not be expected and taken for granted.
I'm just saying that if you want to dominate the most challenging leagues in the game such as English Premier League, La Liga and some other leagues then your team must be as strong as Barca, Man City or Liverpool.
Do you think SI doesn't test things at all?
If it was possible to dominate English Premier League with West Ham using some cheating tactic then SI would fixed that immediately because in that case one of the most important part of the game was irrelevant, I'm talking about buying/developing the best players for your team.
You should never expect to dominate the best leagues in the with a mid table club even using the most effective tactics because something like that would be very unrealistic and SI will never allow that, of course, it's still possible to win those leagues with a mid table club or even a bottom table club but the probability of doing that is quite low.
Such matches is the reason why you always want to have the best team in the game because as you can see with your current team you got only 2.0 xG and that wasn't enough to score more than 1 goal and win the match but if you were Barca or Man City then probably you got 5.0 xG and your team scored 3 or more goals and you easily won it.
The game isn't only about having the most effective tactic but it's also about having the best players.
You focus too much on having the best tactic and you expect too much from having it but having the best players is no less important. Just try using any average tactic with Barcelona, Man City, Liverpool or PSG and you find yourself wining everything most of time even using an average tactic.
To get The Ring of Eternal Power
You are on the right track, pal.
When you play against stronger opponents you always want to have some luck on your side.
Imagine, you are West Ham(pred. 10th) and you play vs Leeds(pred. 15th) and let's assume that with West Ham you can create 3 scoring chances in a match vs Leeds and if you are unlucky then your team might not score because 3 scoring chances isn't that many.
Now imagine, you are Man City(pred. 1st) and you play vs Leeds(pred. 15the) and let's assume that with Man City you can create 10 scoring chances in a match vs Leeds and if you are unlucky then probably your team still score 1-2 goals because 10 scoring chances is quite a lot.
So having a better team always has benefits because with a better team you can still win matches where you are quite unlucky.
As I can see no one was lucky/unlucky in that match everyone got what they deserved and you could win it if you prevented the departure of Alex Telles
or I should be lucky to get a draw agains them
I see Alex Telles was sent off due to receiving the 2nd yellow card and after that Arsenal scored the 2nd goal but that could be prevented by reducing his tackling aggression or subbing him.
Even with the strongest team and the most effective tactic there's still a very small probability of not wining the league and there's still a very small probability of doing that with the weakest team and the lest effective tactic.
Having a stronger team and using a more effective tactic just increases the probability of winning matches and it doesn't guarantee anything... sadly
Your team media prediction is 8th. Wolves media prediction is 10th. Bournemouth media prediction is 13th.
Those teams aren't much worse than your team and if you are a bit unlucky in matches against them then you can lose.
But all that really doesn't matter because at the end of the season you'll find your team's sitting above your media prediction before the season and that's the only what matters.
You don't need to be lucky in every match of the season.
Against weaker opponents it's enough just not to be unlucky and you win due to having better players and using a better tactic.
Against stronger or equal opponents you need some luck to win, especially playing away.
How many teams in the league are stronger than your team? About 7 teams? So you need to be lucky in 10-12 matches during the season.
All my life experience tells me that almost always an attempt to change someone's mind is just a waste of time so I won't do that.
Some people believe that aliens in charge of everything on the Earth. Some people believe that SI releases patches with some secret/undocumented changes to screw up their tactics. Some people believe that you get much better results when you play matches in the 2D mode instead of the 3D mode...
I'd prefer leaving people alone and allowing them to believe in what they want to believe
The luck is present in every match and in every area of the game.
With a weaker team you need more luck to win than with a stronger team.
With a less effective tactic you need more luck to win than with a more effective tactic.
Generally speaking, 50 matches is nothing in the scale of FM.
You don't need be very lucky in all matches during the season, you just need to lucky in some matches against stronger opponents.
Just check one of the recent FM-Arena tests - https://fm-arena.com/tactic/990-lsplaysfm-s-4-1-2-1-2-unbreakable-diamond-2-0/
Test #3
Both teams got 261 pts( the 1st place and the 3rd place )
Test #6
Both teams got 230 pts( the 2nd place and the 5th places)
https://www.mediafire.com/file/nhb78nvig55t1nv/Ivan+Barbic+-+West+Ham.fm/file
this was my first 11 dominated first season
Buyed left back to replace creswell,BPD to replace Ogbona,right back to replace Fridricks,and added replacement for one shadow by Nikola Vlasic amazing Shadow...
and my results was awfull...
I've looked into your save and found that your team is predicted to finish the 8th place so in the second season your team is still nothing special, it's just a mid table team. I don't get... what's your expectation? Are you expecting to get 110 pts?
Have you thought that the crazy results you got in the first season could be due to being extremely lucky?
And in the second season the extreme luck is gone and the results will be less crazy but still they will be better than your your media prediction.
It looks like some people just don't understand that sometimes in this game you can be very lucky/unlucky but that's the way the game works.