Such matches is the reason why you always want to have the best team in the game because as you can see with your current team you got only 2.0 xG and that wasn't enough to score more than 1 goal and win the match but if you were Barca or Man City then probably you got 5.0 xG and your team scored 3 or more goals and you easily won it.
The game isn't only about having the most effective tactic but it's also about having the best players.
You focus too much on having the best tactic and you expect too much from having it but having the best players is no less important. Just try using any average tactic with Barcelona, Man City, Liverpool or PSG and you find yourself wining everything most of time even using an average tactic.
To get The Ring of Eternal Power in this game it requires having both ingredients: the most effective tactic and the best players. As you can see having only one of the ingredients doesn't give you The Ring of Eternal Power.
babemocni1988 said: I am trying to change my mentality and try to be happy whenever i get positive results against top 5 teams even if i get 20 shoots on goal and they got 5 Expand
You are on the right track, pal.
When you play against stronger opponents you always want to have some luck on your side.
Imagine, you are West Ham(pred. 10th) and you play vs Leeds(pred. 15th) and let's assume that with West Ham you can create 3 scoring chances in a match vs Leeds and if you are unlucky then your team might not score because 3 scoring chances isn't that many.
Now imagine, you are Man City(pred. 1st) and you play vs Leeds(pred. 15the) and let's assume that with Man City you can create 10 scoring chances in a match vs Leeds and if you are unlucky then probably your team still score 1-2 goals because 10 scoring chances is quite a lot.
So having a better team always has benefits because with a better team you can still win matches where you are quite unlucky.
babemocni1988 said: and starting thinking like you guys just i can not understand who should be unlucky here me or Arsenal or I should be lucky to get a draw agains them Expand
I see Alex Telles was sent off due to receiving the 2nd yellow card and after that Arsenal scored the 2nd goal but that could be prevented by reducing his tackling aggression or subbing him.
@babemocni1988, in FM nothing is predetermined and there are only probabilities and when you understand that the game becomes much more enjoyable.
Even with the strongest team and the most effective tactic there's still a very small probability of not wining the league and there's still a very small probability of doing that with the weakest team and the lest effective tactic.
Having a stronger team and using a more effective tactic just increases the probability of winning matches and it doesn't guarantee anything... sadly
babemocni1988 said: Perfect,then explane me why i couldnt win on the start against Leeds,Everton Bournemouth and Wolves...ahh i needed lucky even there,come on pal! Expand
Your team media prediction is 8th. Wolves media prediction is 10th. Bournemouth media prediction is 13th.
Those teams aren't much worse than your team and if you are a bit unlucky in matches against them then you can lose.
But all that really doesn't matter because at the end of the season you'll find your team's sitting above your media prediction before the season and that's the only what matters.
babemocni1988 said: That is my opinion as i sad and i would like that someone can do to change my mind... Expand
All my life experience tells me that almost always an attempt to change someone's mind is just a waste of time so I won't do that.
Some people believe that aliens in charge of everything on the Earth. Some people believe that SI releases patches with some secret/undocumented changes to screw up their tactics. Some people believe that you get much better results when you play matches in the 2D mode instead of the 3D mode...
I'd prefer leaving people alone and allowing them to believe in what they want to believe
https://www.mediafire.com/file/nhb78nvig55t1nv/Ivan+Barbic+-+West+Ham.fm/file this was my first 11 dominated first season Buyed left back to replace creswell,BPD to replace Ogbona,right back to replace Fridricks,and added replacement for one shadow by Nikola Vlasic amazing Shadow... and my results was awfull... Expand
I've looked into your save and found that your team is predicted to finish the 8th place so in the second season your team is still nothing special, it's just a mid table team. I don't get... what's your expectation? Are you expecting to get 110 pts?
Have you thought that the crazy results you got in the first season could be due to being extremely lucky?
And in the second season the extreme luck is gone and the results will be less crazy but still they will be better than your your media prediction.
It looks like some people just don't understand that sometimes in this game you can be very lucky/unlucky but that's the way the game works.
Marck said: after having problems with my pc, and downloaded fm again, I think this tactic will fit perfectly with liverpool, how will you say the best start 11 looks Expand
ZaZ said: Wow, this is by far the worst tactic of this patch. I am trying to understand what makes it so bad, if the Libero, Stay On Feet, Hold Shape or Inverted Wingers. Expand
This tactic has a record of 2.425 conceded goals per match in the test and it's almost the worst record... obviously, tactics with only 3 defenders work very poorly in FM21.
Bogeyman said: I think for Central Defenders Jumping Reach, Positioning and Anticipating are more important than Dribbling and Vision. Expand
ZaZ said: Maybe you are right for vision. However, I think Dribbling is still important, since removing dribble more from defenders (changing to CD) make them perform worse.
P.S.: To be honest, ignoring tiers B and down would be ok, since the difference is only big enough for the other 4 top attributes. You can use other tiers for tiebreaking. Expand
As the testing revealed the Dribbling attribute is an important attribute but I'm sure its importance varies for different positions.
I don't believe Dribbling is very important for Central Defenders or it's more important than Jumping Reach for them.
It had a significant impact on the result in the testing because there are still 8 positions in the tactic(except Central Defenders) that depend on Dribbling attributes and I'm sure all that also apply to Vision attribute.
Such matches is the reason why you always want to have the best team in the game because as you can see with your current team you got only 2.0 xG and that wasn't enough to score more than 1 goal and win the match but if you were Barca or Man City then probably you got 5.0 xG and your team scored 3 or more goals and you easily won it.
The game isn't only about having the most effective tactic but it's also about having the best players.
You focus too much on having the best tactic and you expect too much from having it but having the best players is no less important. Just try using any average tactic with Barcelona, Man City, Liverpool or PSG and you find yourself wining everything most of time even using an average tactic.
To get The Ring of Eternal Power
You are on the right track, pal.
When you play against stronger opponents you always want to have some luck on your side.
Imagine, you are West Ham(pred. 10th) and you play vs Leeds(pred. 15th) and let's assume that with West Ham you can create 3 scoring chances in a match vs Leeds and if you are unlucky then your team might not score because 3 scoring chances isn't that many.
Now imagine, you are Man City(pred. 1st) and you play vs Leeds(pred. 15the) and let's assume that with Man City you can create 10 scoring chances in a match vs Leeds and if you are unlucky then probably your team still score 1-2 goals because 10 scoring chances is quite a lot.
So having a better team always has benefits because with a better team you can still win matches where you are quite unlucky.
As I can see no one was lucky/unlucky in that match everyone got what they deserved and you could win it if you prevented the departure of Alex Telles
or I should be lucky to get a draw agains them
I see Alex Telles was sent off due to receiving the 2nd yellow card and after that Arsenal scored the 2nd goal but that could be prevented by reducing his tackling aggression or subbing him.
Even with the strongest team and the most effective tactic there's still a very small probability of not wining the league and there's still a very small probability of doing that with the weakest team and the lest effective tactic.
Having a stronger team and using a more effective tactic just increases the probability of winning matches and it doesn't guarantee anything... sadly
Your team media prediction is 8th. Wolves media prediction is 10th. Bournemouth media prediction is 13th.
Those teams aren't much worse than your team and if you are a bit unlucky in matches against them then you can lose.
But all that really doesn't matter because at the end of the season you'll find your team's sitting above your media prediction before the season and that's the only what matters.
You don't need to be lucky in every match of the season.
Against weaker opponents it's enough just not to be unlucky and you win due to having better players and using a better tactic.
Against stronger or equal opponents you need some luck to win, especially playing away.
How many teams in the league are stronger than your team? About 7 teams? So you need to be lucky in 10-12 matches during the season.
All my life experience tells me that almost always an attempt to change someone's mind is just a waste of time so I won't do that.
Some people believe that aliens in charge of everything on the Earth. Some people believe that SI releases patches with some secret/undocumented changes to screw up their tactics. Some people believe that you get much better results when you play matches in the 2D mode instead of the 3D mode...
I'd prefer leaving people alone and allowing them to believe in what they want to believe
The luck is present in every match and in every area of the game.
With a weaker team you need more luck to win than with a stronger team.
With a less effective tactic you need more luck to win than with a more effective tactic.
Generally speaking, 50 matches is nothing in the scale of FM.
You don't need be very lucky in all matches during the season, you just need to lucky in some matches against stronger opponents.
Just check one of the recent FM-Arena tests - https://fm-arena.com/tactic/990-lsplaysfm-s-4-1-2-1-2-unbreakable-diamond-2-0/
Test #3
Both teams got 261 pts( the 1st place and the 3rd place )
Test #6
Both teams got 230 pts( the 2nd place and the 5th places)
https://www.mediafire.com/file/nhb78nvig55t1nv/Ivan+Barbic+-+West+Ham.fm/file
this was my first 11 dominated first season
Buyed left back to replace creswell,BPD to replace Ogbona,right back to replace Fridricks,and added replacement for one shadow by Nikola Vlasic amazing Shadow...
and my results was awfull...
I've looked into your save and found that your team is predicted to finish the 8th place so in the second season your team is still nothing special, it's just a mid table team. I don't get... what's your expectation? Are you expecting to get 110 pts?
Have you thought that the crazy results you got in the first season could be due to being extremely lucky?
And in the second season the extreme luck is gone and the results will be less crazy but still they will be better than your your media prediction.
It looks like some people just don't understand that sometimes in this game you can be very lucky/unlucky but that's the way the game works.
I wouldn't say it fits perfectly and I'd better go with Inquisitor - https://fm-arena.com/tactic/957-inquisitor-v-1/
But you can try this:
A strikerless tactic fits Everton very poorly, it requires completely rebuilding the team.
I suggest trying Inquisitor instead. It fits Everton perfectly - https://fm-arena.com/tactic/957-inquisitor-v-1/
a strikerless tactic fits poorly Arsenal so you'd better go with this tactic - https://fm-arena.com/tactic/953-fanatic/
and when you'll get players that can play the shadow strikers then you can use this tactic
Hi,
Are those results for the 21.4 patch?
I agree, I'm getting very similar results with both tactics and if it feels that you concede more or score more with one them then it's just RNG
Is there any info available about 21.3 path release date?
The 20.3 patch for FM20 was released on 20 February so I think the 21.3 patch for FM21 should be available this week or the next week.
This tactic has a record of 2.425 conceded goals per match in the test and it's almost the worst record... obviously, tactics with only 3 defenders work very poorly in FM21.
ZaZ said: Maybe you are right for vision. However, I think Dribbling is still important, since removing dribble more from defenders (changing to CD) make them perform worse.
P.S.: To be honest, ignoring tiers B and down would be ok, since the difference is only big enough for the other 4 top attributes. You can use other tiers for tiebreaking.
As the testing revealed the Dribbling attribute is an important attribute but I'm sure its importance varies for different positions.
I don't believe Dribbling is very important for Central Defenders or it's more important than Jumping Reach for them.
It had a significant impact on the result in the testing because there are still 8 positions in the tactic(except Central Defenders) that depend on Dribbling attributes and I'm sure all that also apply to Vision attribute.