kjordafen said: Have there been any testing of counter tactics to the best 424 tactics? In away games, I would guess a more defensive counter attaching style of play could be good? Maybe something like this tactic Expand
About this you need to actually testing something like that :
Go to EPL take City and Pool; To one put this one and to the other the 424 go to (Clarity Shield day match) and run the game without doing nothing at all... Run it like 30-50 times and write your results somewhere and you can come up for some conclusion. As you understand is really slow process and time consuming but if you want really know how to "counter" thats the way.
For example i am running a game test (i am playing it) and Osimhen can't really that much even being focused on corners and the taker was Politano feels like it depends how the taker trown it
Floppyaams said: i think high corner does matter. I just experimented by giving Dilrosun 20 in corners and he is racking assists. Expand
Ofc it does matter if you want focus on that direction, but sometimes in order to get a free-kick/corner kings you might lose something else on the pitch, for me the best example of king of midfield is Prowse, i will try to test him as well :P
1) Lets say you submit a tactic with an Advanced forward, low crosses, and passing into space. The teams in the test league are well suited for this because all the striker have high pace/dribbling/finishing. This means that the tactic will be tested under conditions that allows the tactic to work as intended.
2) You submit a tactic with a Target Forward. You want him to win aerial duels both for link up play and in the box to score goals. This will not work in the test league because all the strikers have 9 jumping reach, 11 strength and all the CBs have 15 jumping reach/strength. This means that the tactic will not be able to work as intended, and thus not be tested properly.
This is based on the save file that was available for download in this thread. Unless the file has been changed I see this as a major flaw. Expand
Doesn't work like that, i am might be wrong but why here the height of attackers are 1.75 could be multiple reason: -Exploit crosses (Strikers tend to be better then DCL on corners for some reason? idk) -To let Tactician/assembler call us w/e you want to make a fluid tactic and not something based on long passes or random long things.
With that doesn't mean that TF,DLP,Poacher,CF,PF,F9 doesn't work, point is relative simple, you want to maximixe the OUTPUT of your tactic? You need to play the called "META" roles, you want to play the tactic you want on your way?
You can do that, but it means that you gonna lose something on tactic output and "maybe" gain on something else based on RNG or that actually fit better your players. Some roles are less perfoming because of their passive and hidden passives. That's why there is a Volt (IF/WB/CWB/IWB roles) they full of passive and hidden passives and roles undervolt (IW/FB/CM/AM) that doesn't have much passive or hidden passives at all and can be adapted to the majorities of players in the game.
About low crosses, i am pretty sure is another cosmetic thing since i see my players on my Wrexham's story to do alot of High crosses as well, long passes as well, i guess those option are relative like "try to do this more" but isn't like castrate the players at all like work ball into box does.
I tested all of those roles even on my test league and i have a big boy (scamacca) that perfomence way less that as he does on AF roles. We can't really rely on 38 games vacation or 38 games randomly made to enstablish with tactic is better, but if we know over 2190 same tactic with different role perfome -15 points average you do understand your self that isn't about the height or stuff is about other hidden stuff
Imagine i am using a 433 with big boys on the front like :
He might be "only" 1.84 but he still jump like a Grasshopper and if you follow this thread : https://fm-arena.com/thread/4455-433-hall-of-fame/ you can see i was using Hugill a guy tall 1.90+ Hope this give you some help to understand how it works.
tomer4321 said: last season I was in confernce league and I went against fiorentina in semi finals and they destroyed me, so I dont think that I can make problems to real or arsenal even if my attack is very good I prefer to switch to a defensive tactic... Expand
You can drop mentality to caution or defensive for example if you take diamond or 424 still the tactic works but your players will focus on other stuff I did tried with 433 but if your players are really bad compared to opponents you lose some fluidity etc but you can scam the game with set pieces etc..
Yarema said: Rest screen is the default settings for training intensity, when it's set to automatic. Like double intensity at full condition. Expand
I didn't touch those stuff on previous I was putting double intensity if they were full green or last option, on this one seem not really necessary, I am checking even how their CA is increasing with low facilities and normal coaches
TommyToxic said: Hello, I have a question regarding the testing league. I downloaded it to do some testing of my own and noticed something. All the strikers options are short, pacy, technical players, and the CBs of all the teams have a good mixture of pace/strength/height. Won't this make it close to impossible to test the how good a tactic is if it uses Target forwards, mixed/lofted crosses, or direct passes? Seeing that the strikers can only challenge CBs with pace, and not strength or jumping reach? Expand
What kind of test you did? The save is starting a league at a point? Regarding the role doesn't really matter their height.. Some roles won't work because of their passive and hidden ones. FM test league this year kickass in any aspect imho about attendency.
Changingman said: Odd one this, for me the tactic seems to perform better before full familiarity. Starts well with plenty of goals and clean sheets but over time most games finish 3-3, 5-4 etc. Anyone else noticed this? Expand
Most likely IA starting to be aware about you, so you need to change things up and fit-up the best player to fit the tactic
Now the hard part coming up... already trying to do market for next season, things are a bit broken, players ask tons of moneys and i am really "strict player"... Plan is to sell like them all and buy regens or good players with a good PA.
Interesting too how the low quality facilities will impact on their in-growth
3 Times in a row we went strike on to Champion of the league,playing atm season 4 on CH and it's going very well :P. Gonna post a season 4 part I later! If we go to to EPL i will try to combo 433 (2 volantes) and 4231 XIX
Hugill he is quite young,Man UTD school, really tall (what we likes!) and we needed a new Palmer since he is gonna retire and i didn't want to re-new his contract. Magic Poveda (managed to get him for quite good wage as well) Midfield is mostly like of the previous year added from the free agent pool Powell and Saville (just 1 year contract) Defense where we totaly lack, unluckily they took all my objectives from the market, IA likes to offer to the same players i do(**** you IA) GK is a good prospect let's see if he can actually grow for next year
For now we facing a bit of trouble because new players need to learn the tactic and duties...
About this you need to actually testing something like that :
Go to EPL take City and Pool;
To one put this one and to the other the 424 go to (Clarity Shield day match) and run the game without doing nothing at all... Run it like 30-50 times and write your results somewhere and you can come up for some conclusion.
As you understand is really slow process and time consuming but if you want really know how to "counter" thats the way.
https://bit.ly/3jYx7HI I've did a resume of all those tactics test (just the one that did scored good) through FM-Arena
Ofc it does matter if you want focus on that direction, but sometimes in order to get a free-kick/corner kings you might lose something else on the pitch, for me the best example of king of midfield is Prowse, i will try to test him as well :P
We've re-tested your tactic with adjusted attributes for the Target Forward.
Adjusted Attributes - https://fm-arena.com/tactic/4647-442-dycheball-adjusted-attributes/
Default Attributes - https://fm-arena.com/thread/4482-442-dycheball/
Acceleration 15->13
Pace 15->13
Jumping Reach 9->15
Strength 11->16
Height 175cm->190cm
Default Attributes of Target Forward
Adjusted attributes of Target Forward
From the Screen the Height seem the same btw :P
1) Lets say you submit a tactic with an Advanced forward, low crosses, and passing into space. The teams in the test league are well suited for this because all the striker have high pace/dribbling/finishing. This means that the tactic will be tested under conditions that allows the tactic to work as intended.
2) You submit a tactic with a Target Forward. You want him to win aerial duels both for link up play and in the box to score goals. This will not work in the test league because all the strikers have 9 jumping reach, 11 strength and all the CBs have 15 jumping reach/strength. This means that the tactic will not be able to work as intended, and thus not be tested properly.
This is based on the save file that was available for download in this thread. Unless the file has been changed I see this as a major flaw.
Doesn't work like that, i am might be wrong but why here the height of attackers are 1.75 could be multiple reason:
-Exploit crosses (Strikers tend to be better then DCL on corners for some reason? idk)
-To let Tactician/assembler call us w/e you want to make a fluid tactic and not something based on long passes or random long things.
With that doesn't mean that TF,DLP,Poacher,CF,PF,F9 doesn't work, point is relative simple, you want to maximixe the OUTPUT of your tactic? You need to play the called "META" roles, you want to play the tactic you want on your way?
You can do that, but it means that you gonna lose something on tactic output and "maybe" gain on something else based on RNG or that actually fit better your players.
Some roles are less perfoming because of their passive and hidden passives. That's why there is a Volt (IF/WB/CWB/IWB roles) they full of passive and hidden passives and roles undervolt (IW/FB/CM/AM)
that doesn't have much passive or hidden passives at all and can be adapted to the majorities of players in the game.
About low crosses, i am pretty sure is another cosmetic thing since i see my players on my Wrexham's story to do alot of High crosses as well, long passes as well, i guess those option are relative like "try to do this more" but isn't like castrate the players at all like work ball into box does.
I tested all of those roles even on my test league and i have a big boy (scamacca) that perfomence way less that as he does on AF roles. We can't really rely on 38 games vacation or 38 games randomly made to enstablish with tactic is better, but if we know over 2190 same tactic with different role perfome -15 points average you do understand your self that isn't about the height or stuff is about other hidden stuff
Imagine i am using a 433 with big boys on the front like :
He might be "only" 1.84 but he still jump like a Grasshopper and if you follow this thread : https://fm-arena.com/thread/4455-433-hall-of-fame/ you can see i was using Hugill a guy tall 1.90+
Hope this give you some help to understand how it works.
I prefer to switch to a defensive tactic...
You can drop mentality to caution or defensive for example if you take diamond or 424 still the tactic works but your players will focus on other stuff I did tried with 433 but if your players are really bad compared to opponents you lose some fluidity etc but you can scam the game with set pieces etc..
I didn't touch those stuff on previous I was putting double intensity if they were full green or last option, on this one seem not really necessary, I am checking even how their CA is increasing with low facilities and normal coaches
What kind of test you did? The save is starting a league at a point? Regarding the role doesn't really matter their height.. Some roles won't work because of their passive and hidden ones. FM test league this year kickass in any aspect imho about attendency.
Imho just need to know how to play the role if you want to maximize it even tackling mstter
What do you mean by rest screen? Toworrow gonna post how I setup it
Most likely IA starting to be aware about you, so you need to change things up and fit-up the best player to fit the tactic
EPL time...
Now the hard part coming up... already trying to do market for next season, things are a bit broken, players ask tons of moneys and i am really "strict player"...
Plan is to sell like them all and buy regens or good players with a good PA.
Interesting too how the low quality facilities will impact on their in-growth
3 Times in a row we went strike on to Champion of the league,playing atm season 4 on CH and it's going very well :P. Gonna post a season 4 part I later!
If we go to to EPL i will try to combo 433 (2 volantes) and 4231 XIX
what do you mean? as i know i just've forgot to the right striker... But till you let stuck-in it doesn't matter
New Magic 3 on Front :
Hugill he is quite young,Man UTD school, really tall (what we likes!) and we needed a new Palmer since he is gonna retire and i didn't want to re-new his contract.
Magic Poveda (managed to get him for quite good wage as well)
Midfield is mostly like of the previous year added from the free agent pool Powell and Saville (just 1 year contract)
Defense where we totaly lack, unluckily they took all my objectives from the market, IA likes to offer to the same players i do(**** you IA)
GK is a good prospect let's see if he can actually grow for next year
For now we facing a bit of trouble because new players need to learn the tactic and duties...
Let's see what gonna happen :p
It's mirrored yes