smigler said: Hello I know I'm little late to the party cuz of FM23 beta launch but I start playing FM22 few days ago and I have to say this tactic is really really good for my Serie B Perugia team
Also many useful tips in the thread as well. I'm using Green 5.0 beacuse I don't have too much deep in offensive for Blue and Perugia have really solid CM options for Serie B standards imo. Tactic slow down a little bit at the end of the year but still manage to get 17 wins in a row so very good. Great work ZaZ! Also have one question about training.
I have loaded your schedule
but in the calendar it looks like this
and I have to manually change it every week and when I quit game and load again schedule is also empty. Is this a bug? Or I have to do this everytime? Expand
Thanks for using the tactic! And yes, unfortunately you need to manually change every week (you can use copy and paste), and it resets every season. It's one of the features they need to improve.
Enok said: Where to use the Red tactic and where to use the frost one .Thanks 🙏 Expand
I am still testing, and it seems like Frost is not doing as well as last year. Fire (former Blue) is still good, so I would just use it until more results appear.
tom1972 said: Would't be better to call former Blue "Frost" and former Red call Fire? Just a suggestion Expand
Blue is very offensive, one of the highest goals per match from FM22, which is why I call it Fire. Green is very defensive, with one of the best defenses, which is why I call it Frost.
aras said: What about corners and free-kick settings? are they in the tactic or we should set them manuel in the game? if manuel where can i find your recommendation one? Ty Expand
Eric said: here's what I got using this tactic with Chelsea
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I know you are doing a good work without getting anything in return, but, if possible, I would suggest you keep a small table with the points, goals scored and conceded of each tactic that you are testing, to post together with the results. That would help people have a better idea of how good or bad are the results (which doesn't necessarily mean the tactic is good or bad).
Yeah, I noticed this tactic doesn't seem to be working as well as last patch. Probably it has to do with the performance of IF-At, but it requires more investigation.
Eric said: LOL... forgot about my suggesting to remove the hard tackles, I've tried it and it helped greatly with fouls and card but the same time it greatly worsen the result...
So I really don't know what to do...
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I didn't have time to test yet, so thanks for testing! I am first testing the new out of possession instructions.
Just keep in mind that a single result can variate a lot between two runs, even using the same tactic. In one year you can achieve 90 points, and in another you can reach barely 60.
If you're going to use the same names for your tactics as for FM22 then I'd suggest adding "FM23" tag to the tactic names otherwise it'll be very confusing for people.
For example, ( FM23 ) - ZaZ - Blue 0.1 ... or something like that. Expand
Ok, I'll consider adding a tag to it. Thank you for the suggestion.
P.S.: I renamed Blue to Fire (because it's very offensive), and Green to Frost (because it's solid in the back). I hope that helps avoid confusion.
Here are the initial versions of Blue 4.0 and Green 5.0, converted to FM23. I'm currently testing the new instructions from out of possession to see how they perform.
P.S.: I have decided to rename of Blue and Green to Fire and Frost, respectively. The change is to avoid confusion on FM22 players. Let me know how they perform for you!
Thanks, @alexej and @Joe! Gonna use this thread to do a diary of information while I test everything. I am checking the new instructions for out of possession before I post Blue and Green, which will be the base benchmark for my testing.
Welcome to ZaZ FC! It's great to have you here. As your guide, I'm responsible for your induction program, explaining the culture of our club, and how you can achieve maximum performance here.
Below is the type of manager I expect you to be. - Determination: Get what you want from board. - People Management: Increase morale with praise / warn. - Level Discipline: Less unhappy players. - Motivating: Team talks and shouts. - Training: Any 5 star and Working With Youngsters.
For training, I prefer if you avoid GK training and Fitness, because coaches for those positions can also train youth and reserve teams. Having you as a coach for Attacking, Defending and Mental can potentially give us one extra coach for youth and reserve teams.
Zippo said: Here're results for Age = 18 and Age = 21
It looks to develop 18 years old players also must participate in competitive matches and without the participation the development rate will be much smaller.
"Group_1" players gain +8.4 "CA" at the end the season.
"Group_2" players gain +1.2 "CA" at the end the season. ------------------------------------------------------------------- [ Age = 18 / Professionalism = 15 / Ambition = 15 / Potential Ability = 170 ]
"Group_1" players gain +7.1 "CA" at the end the season.
"Group_2" players gain +2.1 "CA" at the end the season. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Expand
That is without any match on group 2, which shows 18 yo gain more from training than 21 yo, and 21 yo gains more from matches. I would like to see the results for Group_3 and Group_4, with youth matches and friendlies, respectively, which is a common setup for players in development.
dzek said: @Zippo, I think there is another attribute which determine player growth instead all the above and this is Determination. If you can make more tests including Determination and then another tests to see which of the three attributes(Professionalism, Ambition and Determination) have more impact to each other.
Another idea with this crucial tests is to find the peak age of each position for player growth so we can know when a player cant grow more and it starts to downgrade his attributes due to age. I know maybe this will not be so accurate to find the peak age of each position for different players but we maybe find a general peak age +/-1.
Well done 👏 Expand
It was already tested. Determination has negligible effect, and professionalism is the most important for growth, and also for keeping attributes at peak for longer.
For age, there is a direct correlation between age and effect of training. The younger they are, the more training impact in attribute gains, and the older they are, the more match experience has impact. Around the age of 18, it's around 50-50, and around the age of 23, match experience counts way more than training. If I remember well, the growth "stops" around the age of 27 or 28.
OpticFawn said: @ZaZ whenever I sign youngsters, they barely improve with your training session, one of my players increased who was aged 18 at the time, +1 in a few attributes like 4 years, what am I doing wrong?
P.s. I setup the rest and everything. Expand
Just setting up the training schedule and rest is not enough, you also need to have good facilities, good coaches, and assign coaches to the best training (people often forget to assign coaches on youth teams).
Also, as a complement to what Mark and Lapidus said, training is just one of the components of development, but the more a player ages, the more it needs match time in higher leagues to keep their pace of growth. Below is a video from Max talking about it:
Also many useful tips in the thread as well. I'm using Green 5.0 beacuse I don't have too much deep in offensive for Blue and Perugia have really solid CM options for Serie B standards imo. Tactic slow down a little bit at the end of the year but still manage to get 17 wins in a row so very good. Great work ZaZ! Also have one question about training.
I have loaded your schedule
but in the calendar it looks like this
and I have to manually change it every week and when I quit game and load again schedule is also empty. Is this a bug? Or I have to do this everytime?
Thanks for using the tactic! And yes, unfortunately you need to manually change every week (you can use copy and paste), and it resets every season. It's one of the features they need to improve.
I am still testing, and it seems like Frost is not doing as well as last year. Fire (former Blue) is still good, so I would just use it until more results appear.
Blue is very offensive, one of the highest goals per match from FM22, which is why I call it Fire. Green is very defensive, with one of the best defenses, which is why I call it Frost.
First post of the thread.
I know you are doing a good work without getting anything in return, but, if possible, I would suggest you keep a small table with the points, goals scored and conceded of each tactic that you are testing, to post together with the results. That would help people have a better idea of how good or bad are the results (which doesn't necessarily mean the tactic is good or bad).
So I really don't know what to do...
I didn't have time to test yet, so thanks for testing! I am first testing the new out of possession instructions.
If you're going to use the same names for your tactics as for FM22 then I'd suggest adding "FM23" tag to the tactic names otherwise it'll be very confusing for people.
For example, ( FM23 ) - ZaZ - Blue 0.1 ... or something like that.
Ok, I'll consider adding a tag to it. Thank you for the suggestion.
P.S.: I renamed Blue to Fire (because it's very offensive), and Green to Frost (because it's solid in the back). I hope that helps avoid confusion.
P.S.: I have decided to rename of Blue and Green to Fire and Frost, respectively. The change is to avoid confusion on FM22 players. Let me know how they perform for you!
I'm currently testing the new instructions for out of possession, so I can use those tactics as a benchmark.
Below is the type of manager I expect you to be.
- Determination: Get what you want from board.
- People Management: Increase morale with praise / warn.
- Level Discipline: Less unhappy players.
- Motivating: Team talks and shouts.
- Training: Any 5 star and Working With Youngsters.
For training, I prefer if you avoid GK training and Fitness, because coaches for those positions can also train youth and reserve teams. Having you as a coach for Attacking, Defending and Mental can potentially give us one extra coach for youth and reserve teams.
It looks to develop 18 years old players also must participate in competitive matches and without the participation the development rate will be much smaller.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
[ Age = 21 / Professionalism = 15 / Ambition = 15 / Potential Ability = 170 ]
"Group_1" players gain +8.4 "CA" at the end the season.
"Group_2" players gain +1.2 "CA" at the end the season.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
[ Age = 18 / Professionalism = 15 / Ambition = 15 / Potential Ability = 170 ]
"Group_1" players gain +7.1 "CA" at the end the season.
"Group_2" players gain +2.1 "CA" at the end the season.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
That is without any match on group 2, which shows 18 yo gain more from training than 21 yo, and 21 yo gains more from matches. I would like to see the results for Group_3 and Group_4, with youth matches and friendlies, respectively, which is a common setup for players in development.
Another idea with this crucial tests is to find the peak age of each position for player growth so we can know when a player cant grow more and it starts to downgrade his attributes due to age. I know maybe this will not be so accurate to find the peak age of each position for different players but we maybe find a general peak age +/-1.
Well done 👏
It was already tested. Determination has negligible effect, and professionalism is the most important for growth, and also for keeping attributes at peak for longer.
For age, there is a direct correlation between age and effect of training. The younger they are, the more training impact in attribute gains, and the older they are, the more match experience has impact. Around the age of 18, it's around 50-50, and around the age of 23, match experience counts way more than training. If I remember well, the growth "stops" around the age of 27 or 28.
P.s. I setup the rest and everything.
Just setting up the training schedule and rest is not enough, you also need to have good facilities, good coaches, and assign coaches to the best training (people often forget to assign coaches on youth teams).
Also, as a complement to what Mark and Lapidus said, training is just one of the components of development, but the more a player ages, the more it needs match time in higher leagues to keep their pace of growth. Below is a video from Max talking about it: