G1102 said: Hy @ZaZ . If you remember my dulwich hamlet career . I started another with Blyth spartans after the 22.3 patch. Results were pretty much the same as with dulwich hamlet . Promoted every year . 1st season in the Pl ,survived relegation and 2nd season finishing second in the PL. Problems always came after the second season, because although investement in the team was huge the team somehow reverted to relegation candidates. Missing a lot of chances , playing well below their expectations. My theory is that happend both times because of squad building based on youth. As your reputation increases you start to find great youth players that want to play for you, but they also don't have top flight experience who seems to make them play bang avarege. I remember that i replaced stephy mavidid then age 30 with a 20 year old striker , better in all aspects . It was a disaster , granted that it played next to a 21 year old striker(scored 21 goals 1st season, next to Elanga(age 26 and mavididi age 29 at the time), better than the 20 year old striker . Really looking forward to how you do. Unfortunetly something came up and i didn't want the game to interfere with my personal life so i deleted the saves and the game because it tends to make an addict out of me. Good luck. Expand
I believe it's more because as you grow in reputation, opponents stop being complacent against you, which makes things naturally harder. First season they look at you like "no way we can lose to those guys, we can play at ease", but after two or three seasons they look at you like "those guys are strong, we need focus to win".
About you deleting your game, I completely understand that. It's exactly the same reason why I limit myself to playing only 5 or 10 matches a day, so I know I won't use more time than I should in the game.
By the way, I played a couple more of matches today. Now at 35 matches and the season is going well. I wasn't expecting anything from FA Cup, but now I'm on the finals. That's especially impressive considering I played all matches with second team (stronger teams probably got complacent since I came from lower division). Anyway, one good match against Newcastle and I might win the cup in my first season coming from below.
About the league, I got a bad form with three matches without winning against weaker teams, but I'm still in 7th in the league. Lucky for me, Liverpool won Carabao Cup and increased the Euro League zone. I had a couple of injuries and suspensions in the past matches, but the team is now back to top shape.
Anyway, one more tip that I already gave before and would like to say again is to always rest players individually after matches. Just sort them by condition, select all tired players and give one or two days of rest, and leave other players to train normally. That's not only useful to improve condition for next match and avoid fatigue, but it also avoids lots of injuries (tired players are more susceptible to get injured in training).
This time, I picked a match against Newcastle to talk about. I started the match conceding one goal and my DL got a red card, which is always a bad sign. I then removed one striker to balance the team and shouted encouragement like crazy. We got a goal and the match ended in a very even tie. The other option I was considering was to remove my AMR (which was having a bad match) to keep two strikers, but I opted for going the other way.
Now, there are four more matches in the season, three in the league against weaker teams and the cup finals against Newcastle. With a bit of luck I can get more than just a spot on Euro League, but things could also go bad and I end the season without anything. I'll finish the season tonight and see how it goes.
nijak05 said: Am i the only one where the ss is getting really inconsitent ratings around 6.7 unless he scores? Is it just the match engine where the AMC gets so so ratings? Expand
One or other role can get some bad rate, but it's fine as long as the tactic is performing well as a whole. Last year it was DM who never got over 7.0.
A couple matches forward and I got some very good results against the top teams. Unfortunately, that didn't bring me up on the table, so I'm still in 7th and now out of the Euro League zone.
In case anyone wants to know to keep morale always high, my biggest tip is to compliment training every single week, when you get the training report. You can see the difference in the pictures below (before and after), where I praised all players circled in red (8.05+) and team morale went from good to almost perfect.
I also decided to pick one match to talk about every 5 or 10 matches. This time, I pick the victory against Manchester City. Before the match, I thought it was impossible to win. On first half, I won 3-0 because they were having one of those days that they miss all shots and keep giving possession away all time. Second half, on the other hand, they came flying and almost won the game. I suppose I have to blame myself for telling my team to not get complacent, instead of telling them to play without pressure.
P.S.: I like to use that progress bar, which you can see in the last squad view, to identify when a player is reaching his top potential. If he stops growing for a couple of months, I then evaluate if he is good enough to stay in the team or if it's better to replace with a young player of similar level that still has chance to grow. For example, Rosannah, Olayinka, Hunt and Cirkin seem to have peaked, so they are positions that I might check for replacement in the future, if they don't improve until next transfer window.
Got a bit of free time and decided to get back to my career at Concord Rangers. I'm now at 25 matches in my first year at Premier League and lost three of the past four matches. Somehow, I'm still at 7th and inside the Euro League, which is my goal for this season.
During the last transfer window, I brought a couple of new faces. I had to replace a defender and a defensive midfielder, because they wanted to leave the club and their morale wouldn't get green again. I also replaced a goalkeeper, a striker and another defender for cheaper players with similar ability, since they were in the last year of contract.
Other than that, I'm just playing and praising players to keep morale high. My team quality is steadily improving with both training and transfers, and I expect to have a better second half of season, to stay around 6th or 7th place. Unfortunately, UCL is not a reasonable goal for this season.
chanho said: thank you! I know it hasn't been tested on version 4.0. And I also think that the role of a wide midfielder is an important change in tactics. Expand
I have seen some tactics not being picked for testing exactly because they had just one role as the only change. Some roles have been tested time and time again and have very similar performance, like BPD and CD, or IWB and FB, DM and RPM and so on. However, maybe they will test, it's hard to know exactly.
3 strikers playing all the time in my defensive area is very dangerous dont you think??? when he crosses they have 3 strikers and the miedfield centers!!
The ZAZ BLUE 4.0 with a line of 4 (2 central defenders) you think can handle against 3 strikers???
Thanks Expand
That might be true, but when their wingback goes to the byline to cross, you have a whole flank to exploit in counter attacks. That's the biggest disadvantage of having only one player in each flank, and gegenpressing is a good way to take advantage from that, since you can intercept the ball closer to the opponent's goal and face his defense exposed.
Pip said: Thanks @ZaZ will try the cautious mentality and a few more shouts. Squad rotation and subs is essential, especially with the amount of bookings! Expand
You can also change players to "Ease Off Tackle" if they get a yellow card, or change the tactic to Light Blue if you have the match under control (if you are using Blue).
Pip said: @ZaZ I am undertaking a similar journey, I have got Oxford City in to the prem. One thing I am really struggling with is holding on to leads, any advice? Expand
If you are using Blue, then try changing to Cautious when you have a good lead. Keep shouting to your players all time (praise or no pressure) and make sure to use all subs every match. Other than that, rotation also helps the players stay fresher for longer, and better players will obviously also help.
NeOnHD92 said: Hi there @ZaZ. How are you mate? 🙂 I havent try my FM22 with Winter Update yet. The ME from 22.2 to 22.3 changed too much or we can play with tactics from update 22.2 without problems? Thanks 🤜🏼🤛🏼 Expand
Changes are minimal, but teams with IW and IF are usually better than last patch.
Oshea said: Been having some real success on my journeyman save. But have suddenly encountered some real problems in the premier league. Went from hero to zero real fast.
The best team I've managed by far in my save, but the worst results. What is most important: Team CA or role suitability? Expand
Read "Bad Results" and "Role Ability" in the first post. Hope you get back to victories soon!
Middleweight165 said: Interesting. So the results of that indicate Agility is more important if I am reading it right? Do the results of that correlate with the tests done on this site regarding attributes? Im assuming this is more specific to position and then specific to position in your tactic Expand
In his tests, yes, it was more important. However, keep in mind that it's very hard to calculate the efficiency of attributes for goalkeepers, and his tests were done during last patch (probably won't be different in this patch, but you never know). Tests from FM-Arena didn't focus on specific positions, because you need an absurd number of runs to make the results meaningful.
Don't trust me blindly, lots of people here have way more knowledge about the game than me.
Anyway, a guy from China made a study about the importance of attributes to Blue 3.0 DM using machine learning, and his findings are in the first post of Blue thread, under "Important Attributes". I'm not saying it's a definitive thing, but I prefer to trust some robust test like that or FM-Arena's than just following my personal feelings.
About your two players, I think the difference between then is probably minimal and it would be better to look at other attributes as a tie breaker.
I started another with Blyth spartans after the 22.3 patch. Results were pretty much the same as with dulwich hamlet .
Promoted every year . 1st season in the Pl ,survived relegation and 2nd season finishing second in the PL.
Problems always came after the second season, because although investement in the team was huge the team somehow reverted to relegation candidates. Missing a lot of chances , playing well below their expectations.
My theory is that happend both times because of squad building based on youth.
As your reputation increases you start to find great youth players that want to play for you, but they also don't have top flight experience who seems to make them play bang avarege.
I remember that i replaced stephy mavidid then age 30 with a 20 year old striker , better in all aspects . It was a disaster , granted that it played next to a 21 year old striker(scored 21 goals 1st season, next to Elanga(age 26 and mavididi age 29 at the time), better than the 20 year old striker .
Really looking forward to how you do.
Unfortunetly something came up and i didn't want the game to interfere with my personal life so i deleted the saves and the game because it tends to make an addict out of me.
Good luck.
I believe it's more because as you grow in reputation, opponents stop being complacent against you, which makes things naturally harder. First season they look at you like "no way we can lose to those guys, we can play at ease", but after two or three seasons they look at you like "those guys are strong, we need focus to win".
About you deleting your game, I completely understand that. It's exactly the same reason why I limit myself to playing only 5 or 10 matches a day, so I know I won't use more time than I should in the game.
Thanks!
By the way, I played a couple more of matches today. Now at 35 matches and the season is going well. I wasn't expecting anything from FA Cup, but now I'm on the finals. That's especially impressive considering I played all matches with second team (stronger teams probably got complacent since I came from lower division). Anyway, one good match against Newcastle and I might win the cup in my first season coming from below.
About the league, I got a bad form with three matches without winning against weaker teams, but I'm still in 7th in the league. Lucky for me, Liverpool won Carabao Cup and increased the Euro League zone. I had a couple of injuries and suspensions in the past matches, but the team is now back to top shape.
Anyway, one more tip that I already gave before and would like to say again is to always rest players individually after matches. Just sort them by condition, select all tired players and give one or two days of rest, and leave other players to train normally. That's not only useful to improve condition for next match and avoid fatigue, but it also avoids lots of injuries (tired players are more susceptible to get injured in training).
This time, I picked a match against Newcastle to talk about. I started the match conceding one goal and my DL got a red card, which is always a bad sign. I then removed one striker to balance the team and shouted encouragement like crazy. We got a goal and the match ended in a very even tie. The other option I was considering was to remove my AMR (which was having a bad match) to keep two strikers, but I opted for going the other way.
Now, there are four more matches in the season, three in the league against weaker teams and the cup finals against Newcastle. With a bit of luck I can get more than just a spot on Euro League, but things could also go bad and I end the season without anything. I'll finish the season tonight and see how it goes.
One or other role can get some bad rate, but it's fine as long as the tactic is performing well as a whole. Last year it was DM who never got over 7.0.
In case anyone wants to know to keep morale always high, my biggest tip is to compliment training every single week, when you get the training report. You can see the difference in the pictures below (before and after), where I praised all players circled in red (8.05+) and team morale went from good to almost perfect.
I also decided to pick one match to talk about every 5 or 10 matches. This time, I pick the victory against Manchester City. Before the match, I thought it was impossible to win. On first half, I won 3-0 because they were having one of those days that they miss all shots and keep giving possession away all time. Second half, on the other hand, they came flying and almost won the game. I suppose I have to blame myself for telling my team to not get complacent, instead of telling them to play without pressure.
P.S.: I like to use that progress bar, which you can see in the last squad view, to identify when a player is reaching his top potential. If he stops growing for a couple of months, I then evaluate if he is good enough to stay in the team or if it's better to replace with a young player of similar level that still has chance to grow. For example, Rosannah, Olayinka, Hunt and Cirkin seem to have peaked, so they are positions that I might check for replacement in the future, if they don't improve until next transfer window.
During the last transfer window, I brought a couple of new faces. I had to replace a defender and a defensive midfielder, because they wanted to leave the club and their morale wouldn't get green again. I also replaced a goalkeeper, a striker and another defender for cheaper players with similar ability, since they were in the last year of contract.
Other than that, I'm just playing and praising players to keep morale high. My team quality is steadily improving with both training and transfers, and I expect to have a better second half of season, to stay around 6th or 7th place. Unfortunately, UCL is not a reasonable goal for this season.
I have seen some tactics not being picked for testing exactly because they had just one role as the only change. Some roles have been tested time and time again and have very similar performance, like BPD and CD, or IWB and FB, DM and RPM and so on. However, maybe they will test, it's hard to know exactly.
P.S.: Nevermind, just remembered Blue DW wasn't tested in this patch.
3 strikers playing all the time in my defensive area is very dangerous dont you think??? when he crosses they have 3 strikers and the miedfield centers!!
The ZAZ BLUE 4.0 with a line of 4 (2 central defenders) you think can handle against 3 strikers???
Thanks
That might be true, but when their wingback goes to the byline to cross, you have a whole flank to exploit in counter attacks. That's the biggest disadvantage of having only one player in each flank, and gegenpressing is a good way to take advantage from that, since you can intercept the ball closer to the opponent's goal and face his defense exposed.
tenho um jogo online importante contra um adversário com esta tatica e não posso perder. Uso 3 centrais ou arrisco com a ZAZ blue 4,0????
obrigado
To be honest, I would just keep Blue. He is probably wondering how to win against you more than you are.
You can also change players to "Ease Off Tackle" if they get a yellow card, or change the tactic to Light Blue if you have the match under control (if you are using Blue).
If you are using Blue, then try changing to Cautious when you have a good lead. Keep shouting to your players all time (praise or no pressure) and make sure to use all subs every match. Other than that, rotation also helps the players stay fresher for longer, and better players will obviously also help.
Sorry, took a pause because of external factors, but I'll be back soon to make Concord win the UCL (which will take a couple of seasons).
I havent try my FM22 with Winter Update yet. The ME from 22.2 to 22.3 changed too much or we can play with tactics from update 22.2 without problems? Thanks 🤜🏼🤛🏼
Changes are minimal, but teams with IW and IF are usually better than last patch.
The best team I've managed by far in my save, but the worst results. What is most important: Team CA or role suitability?
Read "Bad Results" and "Role Ability" in the first post. Hope you get back to victories soon!
In his tests, yes, it was more important. However, keep in mind that it's very hard to calculate the efficiency of attributes for goalkeepers, and his tests were done during last patch (probably won't be different in this patch, but you never know). Tests from FM-Arena didn't focus on specific positions, because you need an absurd number of runs to make the results meaningful.
GK1 - Reflexes-18/Agility-13
GK2 - Reflexes-15/Agility-16
Which one are you signing?
Don't trust me blindly, lots of people here have way more knowledge about the game than me.
Anyway, a guy from China made a study about the importance of attributes to Blue 3.0 DM using machine learning, and his findings are in the first post of Blue thread, under "Important Attributes". I'm not saying it's a definitive thing, but I prefer to trust some robust test like that or FM-Arena's than just following my personal feelings.
About your two players, I think the difference between then is probably minimal and it would be better to look at other attributes as a tie breaker.
Agility and reflexes.