Bradjc94 said: Who would be some of the players in the game that would be ideal to fill the Pressing Forward role for this tactic? Expand
You want someone with good acceleration and pace to start with. Aggression and work rate too. Think of a Gabriel Jesus type of player, like Watkins. Tell you who is good, Josh Sargent from Norwich
You'll unlock defenses with this one (That's for all the Harry Potter fans!)
A 424 that won all but 1 competition, scores plenty and concedes little. Holiday tested. Best XI selected. AM in charge of training and SPs left to SP coach.
Using similar PIs to the current top 424 but added close down more to all but positions bar BPD and GK. PF changed to CF.
Changes- Replaced underlap with overlap Removed invite crosses Removed be more disciplined Removed more direct passes and take more risks from FB Removed roam from position from IF Added cross from byline and dribble more to FB Added mark specific position to IF
keithb said: Your 2+2 analysis doesnt stack up though. The game doesn't exactly do what it should? In many respects; attributes we all know, roles are a joke and even instructions aren't an exact science. Again look under general stats at headers constested and won and headed goals. Samu does indeed have great physicals and they are king as we know. But jumping reach is so, so, so, so OP for a striker in FM24 and 23. Cant remember 22. Yes absolutely a striker with low, 5 in your example, can and will still tear it up. But in this system, low crosses or not, the AF will be so much better if he has high jumping reach. Sesko and even Lucca being slower are incredible.
If you're ruling that out based on low crosses I would really have a re-think and test it out. I genuinely thought this was what everyone knew now. Expand
I never said it doesn't matter or to disregard it. I said it doesn't really matter because of the style of play.
But I tested it as you said and I know its only a 1 season test but I changed the jumping attribute on both Haaland and Alvarez, Haaland as AF and Alvarez as PF
Jumping reach at 5 at start of season -
Jumping reach at 15 at start of season -
Make of it what you will, but looking at it, it's pretty similar results
keithb said: My nan won a header once. If you look under general stats your man with 5 jumping reach wont be contesting and winning headers compared to someone with 15+. And your second point isn't relevant either. I never said they cant be any good. But given the choice Id always go with Haaland, or even Samu if he has high ca/pa, over Mbappe. You said it doesnt really matter which is wrong. Jumping reach is seen at its best at DC and SC. If you play two SC's with high jumping reach the match engine literally breaks.
Anyway no chance you'll change your stance so have a good weekend. This reminds me of a conversation when most people told me it wasn't that important at DC as well. Expand
Jumping reach is important for a CB and I'm not saying it isn't important for a ST either but I'm saying for this tactic it doesn't really matter as you're using low crosses, shorter passing has been instructed so the vast majority of the time the striker will have the ball played into feet. Haaland and Samu are OP on this game anyways. Both have great physicals. The reason I mentioned the goals is because I wanted to show that even someone with poor jumping will score goals.
I'm always open to persuasion but my point here is that simply jumping reach doesn't have to play a role, a striker with good pace and acceleration will get you goals
keithb said: All my strikers with high jumping reach say very different. Win a lot of headers and score a lot of headed goals. Absurd to say doesnt really matter. Its ridiculously OP. Expand
I have a striker with 5 jumping and he wins headers, he has also scored 16 goals in 13 games
keithb said: Just fast primarily. For the AF you want someone with good jumping reach.
For Chelsea you could play Nkunk as PF and Broja as AF. But you'd want to upgrade both tbh. Jackson and Washington aren't upto it. You could buy Moffi Expand
Tactic uses low crosses, jumping reach doesn't really matter as the crosses are ground level, pace and acceleration is a must. With pass into space being utilised I would say off the ball and anticipation would be beneficial. With PF, you want pace and acceleration too but chuck in stamina, work rate and aggression
manu said: What would a good PF be? I'm running with chelsea. I was thinking of playing Nkunku there but maybe it's worth going for someone like Julian who I think you fit better. Has anyone tested this tactic with another club other than Man City? Expand
Changes-
Added underlap
Added hold up ball to IF
Removed dribble more and take more risks from FB
You want someone with good acceleration and pace to start with. Aggression and work rate too. Think of a Gabriel Jesus type of player, like Watkins. Tell you who is good, Josh Sargent from Norwich
Changes-
SK duty back to defend
Added cut inside and dribble more to FB
Added roam from position to IF and AM
Changes-
Added mark tighter to DM
Added close down more to IF
SK duty changed to Attack
Aim for the mark tighter and SK to attack was to reduce the number of through ball assisted conceded goals
Changes-
Removed dribble more from FB
Changes-
Right DM to Half Back
Left DM to Volante
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CF to PF
A 424 that won all but 1 competition, scores plenty and concedes little. Holiday tested. Best XI selected. AM in charge of training and SPs left to SP coach.
Using similar PIs to the current top 424 but added close down more to all but positions bar BPD and GK. PF changed to CF.
Changes-
Replaced underlap with overlap
Removed invite crosses
Removed be more disciplined
Removed more direct passes and take more risks from FB
Removed roam from position from IF
Added cross from byline and dribble more to FB
Added mark specific position to IF
If you're ruling that out based on low crosses I would really have a re-think and test it out. I genuinely thought this was what everyone knew now.
I never said it doesn't matter or to disregard it. I said it doesn't really matter because of the style of play.
But I tested it as you said and I know its only a 1 season test but I changed the jumping attribute on both Haaland and Alvarez, Haaland as AF and Alvarez as PF
Jumping reach at 5 at start of season -
Jumping reach at 15 at start of season -
Make of it what you will, but looking at it, it's pretty similar results
Anyway no chance you'll change your stance so have a good weekend. This reminds me of a conversation when most people told me it wasn't that important at DC as well.
Jumping reach is important for a CB and I'm not saying it isn't important for a ST either but I'm saying for this tactic it doesn't really matter as you're using low crosses, shorter passing has been instructed so the vast majority of the time the striker will have the ball played into feet. Haaland and Samu are OP on this game anyways. Both have great physicals. The reason I mentioned the goals is because I wanted to show that even someone with poor jumping will score goals.
I'm always open to persuasion but my point here is that simply jumping reach doesn't have to play a role, a striker with good pace and acceleration will get you goals
I have a striker with 5 jumping and he wins headers, he has also scored 16 goals in 13 games
For Chelsea you could play Nkunk as PF and Broja as AF. But you'd want to upgrade both tbh. Jackson and Washington aren't upto it. You could buy Moffi
Tactic uses low crosses, jumping reach doesn't really matter as the crosses are ground level, pace and acceleration is a must. With pass into space being utilised I would say off the ball and anticipation would be beneficial. With PF, you want pace and acceleration too but chuck in stamina, work rate and aggression
Watkins
Changes-
Removed cut inside from FB
Is this it? https://fm-arena.com/thread/9397-match-engine-destroyed/
Changes-
Removed underlap