Prysiu said: Why wouldn't you just send your tactics (or couple of them) with only this difference to be tested? Wouldn't it be the same? Expand Very good question...
Now it would be good to ask yourself why I don't do it on my own.
I want to mention the specific instructions that I think will always work best regardless of shapes, combinations, etc. and these instructions are connected with mentality instruction.
- Attacking Width (including PI) - Passing Directness (including PI) - Tempo - Time Wasting - Line of Engagement - Trigger Press (including PI)
An example to make it clearer what I am trying to say: If we test a tactic with all the Passing Directness options and find that Shorter Passing is the most efficient, then this will be 90% - 100% true for all cases (different shapes / TIs & PIs combinations / roles and duties). The same applies to the other instructions above.
I've really had enough experience with testing "TIs/PIs", I came to a conclusion that testing "TIs/PIs" is a stupid thing to do. Why that? Because at some point it became obvious that there's an interaction between "TIs/PIs", in other words, for example, "Be More Disciplined" TI might work "good" in 4-3-3 shape with many "Attacking" duties and "Attacking" mentality but it might work "poor" in 4-2-4 shape with many "Support" duties and "Balanced" mentality. So you have to test all possible combinations(shapes/TIs/PIs/) to find out what every tactical instructions do and that's is madness I'd say.
Also, as it turned out the RNG in the testing is much higher than I thought it was. For example, even a test of 9,600 matches still has +/- 1.5 points RNG, which mean the same tactic after 9,600 matches still can produce 60 points, 61.5 points, 63 points results but many TIs/PIs makes like 0.1 points difference and testing them would be just playing with the RNG.
I hope you got what I mean here. Expand I understand you and that's why I said you don't want to do these kinds of tests. I also understand that it is a bit "pointless" to test TIs / PIs in isolation because to see their exact effect they have to be tested in combination with others etc.
I just think that some TIs can show some signs of difference from their opposites without necessarily being affected by other combinations.
With that in mind, I think the "Focus Play" instructions are some of them. (which are not much affected by combinations of other instructions)
Could you do another test with the TI "Focus Play Through The Middle"?
I know you don't want to do these kinds of tests for various reasons, but I think in this test, we might find some difference in scores with this particular instruction. Maybe not at all.
In a previous update of FM and your test league’s database I tested the two TIs (focus play middle / flanks) and showed some slight difference, in a small sample. I would like to see if there is indeed a difference or if it is due to the RNG.
Probably, if no luck with Discord then I'll try to reach him on their forum.
Thanks. Expand Patience..
The way I approached him was through the support ticket on Discord and I had already opened a new thread on their forum. I don't think he will answer you through DMs. Inside their forum they have a moderator who is the one who answers most threads and he can pass any message to the author of the app. He is very helpful.
Removed Step Up More
Removed Play Out Of Defence, Narrow
Added Slow Pace Down
Removed Underlaps, Roll It Out, Distribute Quickly
Added Focus Play Down Both Flanks, Play Out Of Defence
I uploaded the wrong tactic. Can I re-upload the right one and get a new test?
Sorry guys.
Added Play Out Of Defence, Run At Defence
Removed Underlaps
PF to AF
PI tweaks
Added Focus Play, Underlaps, Narrow
IWB to FB
W to IF
STCR to PF
PI tweaks
Change focus play to middle
- Positive Mentality
- Removed Play Out Of Defence, Focus Play, Fairly Wide
- AMRL to MRL (IF to W)
- FB to IWB
- PI tweaks
PI tweaks
PI Tweaks
Very good question...
Now it would be good to ask yourself why I don't do it on my own.
PI tweaks
- Attacking Width (including PI)
- Passing Directness (including PI)
- Tempo
- Time Wasting
- Line of Engagement
- Trigger Press (including PI)
An example to make it clearer what I am trying to say:
If we test a tactic with all the Passing Directness options and find that Shorter Passing is the most efficient, then this will be 90% - 100% true for all cases (different shapes / TIs & PIs combinations / roles and duties). The same applies to the other instructions above.
I've really had enough experience with testing "TIs/PIs", I came to a conclusion that testing "TIs/PIs" is a stupid thing to do.
Also, as it turned out the RNG in the testing is much higher than I thought it was. For example, even a test of 9,600 matches still has +/- 1.5 points RNG, which mean the same tactic after 9,600 matches still can produce 60 points, 61.5 points, 63 points results but many TIs/PIs makes like 0.1 points difference and testing them would be just playing with the RNG.
I hope you got what I mean here.
I understand you and that's why I said you don't want to do these kinds of tests. I also understand that it is a bit "pointless" to test TIs / PIs in isolation because to see their exact effect they have to be tested in combination with others etc.
I just think that some TIs can show some signs of difference from their opposites without necessarily being affected by other combinations.
With that in mind, I think the "Focus Play" instructions are some of them. (which are not much affected by combinations of other instructions)
Either way I respect your decision.
Could you do another test with the TI "Focus Play Through The Middle"?
I know you don't want to do these kinds of tests for various reasons, but I think in this test, we might find some difference in scores with this particular instruction. Maybe not at all.
In a previous update of FM and your test league’s database I tested the two TIs (focus play middle / flanks) and showed some slight difference, in a small sample. I would like to see if there is indeed a difference or if it is due to the RNG.
Here are my own tests that were done here at FM-Arena:
Focus Play Through The Middle - 58,5 pts
Focus Play Down Both Flanks - 57,9 pts
PF to AF
IF attack to support
Added Fairly Wide
PI tweaks
Removed Underlaps
PI tweaks
PIs tweaks
Won everything + PL for 1 goal difference
I already sent him DM on Discord yesterday.
Haven't received any replay yet but let's wait.
Probably, if no luck with Discord then I'll try to reach him on their forum.
Thanks.
Patience..
The way I approached him was through the support ticket on Discord and I had already opened a new thread on their forum. I don't think he will answer you through DMs. Inside their forum they have a moderator who is the one who answers most threads and he can pass any message to the author of the app. He is very helpful.
Good luck!