BLUE FIRE said: play out of defense is perhaps essential for possession man city guaordiola Expand
Point is : if you want to go full possession, you need to go dribble less, take less risk etc. So, it will be more up about your players then "tactic" power.
Since, i wanted to check even the fake FBs means that we putting PI in order to emulate IWBs behavior even do something will be different.
This one will be with normal IWBs, in order to check if the M.E. for some reason like the iwbs to act as WBs (since the DM slot is taken by volantes they wont to cut inside).
Maybe the cross less option is the key, i am not yet sure, will find out once the results will come out.
Lapidus said: @Delicious I think, there's also another important factor to consider, I mean it's obvious that "Speed" is everything in FM but DMs and CBs are the most slowest guys among all positions so I really don't think it's a good idea to use them at the position when you need the faster guys available Expand
I mean, you are right i am not saying you are wrong, but when you actually play those FBWBCWB that play on iwb role, will start to pissing you off like no end. I tried on multiple ways, nothing to do. The only ones that kept a good AVR were CBs that could play on left or right as Accomplished and become natural with training.
I am not saying that's work only this way, but it's the only way i like to play with IWBs.
Overall i do prefer more wbs then iwbs. Because if they start to cry, and you drop cohesion will not be funny for your results at all...
Lapidus said: Btw, fm-arena uses regular full-backs to test tactics and as we can see it works just great with IWBs roles so I really don't see what's the point in using DMs as IWBs... it's like "inventing a wheel" when it's been proved that regular full-backs work just fine.
The problem with this tactic and any other tactic that uses ML/MR positions that there's almost no "natural" ML/MR players in the game so you have to train Wingers to play ML/MR positions but the position rating has a significant influence - https://fm-arena.com/table/19-playing-position-testing/ Expand
The problem ain't the role it self but the majority of wbs won't play the role, because is considered weak-role by most of them in game, that's is gonna decrease your team cohesion.i know pretty well how is setuped arena league mate. Try colwill as iwb and come again
Even on the spaghetti league that I am simulating you can evince that iwbs are underperforming compared to the pinky unicorns ML/R. And on that test I am sure all the roles were involved not just 1 or 2.
Point is : if you want to go full possession, you need to go dribble less, take less risk etc. So, it will be more up about your players then "tactic" power.
Total, possession is gonna be a bit meh. For now my best is with zerbi recreation, but i am still doing tweaks of it :
WB instead of IWBs, I did put crossless often on both of them, the only PI isn't there is roam from position.
AML without get futher forward.
IWs on get futher forward
Removed Get futher-Foward from IWs
gonna re-stamp all those tactics that can use Volante/Iwbs combo... This one has IWs with get futher foward
Checked this : https://fm-arena.com/thread/5765-424-bombyte-tweak/
I did added back get futher forward on IWs
Iwbs instead of FB (emulating iwbs)
I made it out of curiosity, tbh i don't have high expections on 433 on this patch
433 with FBs emulating IWbs
FB emulating IWBs
Ispired by the results of https://fm-arena.com/thread/5750-fireball-442-v4-0/ and https://fm-arena.com/thread/5751-fireball-442-v4-1/
TI/PI
FM23 Spaghetti League - 442 Bombyte
12x 🍝 Leagues
5x 🍜 Cups
points on average = 8?
Since, i wanted to check even the fake FBs means that we putting PI in order to emulate IWBs behavior even do something will be different.
This one will be with normal IWBs, in order to check if the M.E. for some reason like the iwbs to act as WBs (since the DM slot is taken by volantes they wont to cut inside).
Maybe the cross less option is the key, i am not yet sure, will find out once the results will come out.
I am sure after 50/52 is just based on players taste
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I mean, you are right i am not saying you are wrong, but when you actually play those FBWBCWB that play on iwb role, will start to pissing you off like no end. I tried on multiple ways, nothing to do. The only ones that kept a good AVR were CBs that could play on left or right as Accomplished and become natural with training.
I am not saying that's work only this way, but it's the only way i like to play with IWBs.
Overall i do prefer more wbs then iwbs. Because if they start to cry, and you drop cohesion will not be funny for your results at all...
The problem with this tactic and any other tactic that uses ML/MR positions that there's almost no "natural" ML/MR players in the game so you have to train Wingers to play ML/MR positions but the position rating has a significant influence - https://fm-arena.com/table/19-playing-position-testing/
The problem ain't the role it self but the majority of wbs won't play the role, because is considered weak-role by most of them in game, that's is gonna decrease your team cohesion.i know pretty well how is setuped arena league mate. Try colwill as iwb and come again
Even on the spaghetti league that I am simulating you can evince that iwbs are underperforming compared to the pinky unicorns ML/R. And on that test I am sure all the roles were involved not just 1 or 2.
I would go for central backs that can play left or right. Since they play basically as DM role on building up