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Another transition of 4231 Pre-Post Meta Bible that i might work on this period.. Basically IFs became SS, at the time i was sure the game was more focused on the center,but the rules were really out of it. For the rest is basically a 4231 but narrowed.
At the time,i've added old meta rules,would be nice to see now if it can be decent. Stay tuned on it.
4231N Team Extreme
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So,we doing it, where everything started, i hope there is any room to make the greatest shape ever working.
This version is all the adaptation of the rules of this FM23, first is underlaps without IWB (it's coming next).
41212 Extreme
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The whole idea was from a guy on my discord! This shape remind me the Goal Galore from FM22
Ok, so here i am.. I am facing a wall of datas, that were released here : that i am gonna call the Bibble, just because for me was really a good work.
So i posted 2 tactics : one that i would used/assembled with the pre-bibble of datas and one post that and to me something is quite strange, i don't know if that is something that the staff would test or not but to me is something strange,beside that i guess everyone knows that vacation taken as test is something full of rng and variation, but to preset a tactic we have to do something so here the vacation test:
On the first pictures 1pre 2pre you can see a tactic that if you analyze the meta around you would use/make/create, based on my previous knowdledge of the "meta", since is a game i guess we can call it like that to make things easier.
On the second post that is something i would make after the released of the datas,i know that is rng i don't even know how the hell that happened but that made me laugh a bit because somehow both of the tactics ended up at 97 points.
Someone could say : you used City,is normal that the team wins: Will clarify this,i can make more vacation test with others teams with those tactics but i am pretty sure the results on vacation will be the pretty similar.
I've putted new sp's that i find more efficent around the web(maybe because none is getting datas about sp's stats), gonna find away to test them as well later.
How are those PI's and tactic istruction working? that's something i gonna test later, but would like a help from the science as well!
Sorry for the wall of text, it's ok even if those tactics won't get tested i am just trying to figure out this mistery!
For now i will put on pause(guess waiting for the patch is a must)the offensive story,going to assemble positive or balanced tactics.
So,i passed the last days to make a testing league as a tool and checking every combination :
This 4231 Islam Focus Strike V4 is the last version that i am trying to figure out if i am wrong or not about the SS, i did more then 100 test about it, but i am losing my brain somewhere and this one was the best perfomed on my test league.
Sorry for the italian language on screens but my FM23 is getting xml.parsing something everytime i change language :|
I've runned vacation on City just for the shows.
Gonna release a IWB and WB version and one mixed thing that i've in mind.
I don't know if it's better to make a post for each version or is cool enough to keep them in here. Just won't spam the whole forum out..
keithb said: FWIW it seems a lot of people are getting accused and most of them defend themselves and a lot of the accused are then accusing others. From my novice, but analytical take, it is obvious that people can see what works well with the current ME and then use that to build from scratch, or edit or merge tactics already performing well in tests and then say they are theirs. I am not sure anyone can be certain with a hunch or accusation and really it doesn't get anywhere. The internet is also great for pile-ons and sometimes you get people joining in who hardly ever contribute anything, just to have a go at someone.
Yes if you have created a tactic from scratch and see it used and people claim it is 100% their work you will be annoyed. But again the ME isn't exactly expansive currently, so a lot of formations will see the same shape, player roles and instructions. That isn't anyone's fault, but we want to encourage more creators than deter. If I am going to create my own bad tactics I will be using two DM's and probably IW/IF's, two BPD's and one or two AF's. That's just the game?
I am strongly against plagiarism, cheating for gain( scum save its your game who cares) and copying others work to pass off as your own. Anyway gg's and thanks for the great tactics. I dont have the knowledge or patience to make my own really Expand
It's really hard to say what is plagiarism or not, because depends how did you reached the point of the tactic to work. Imho is most that people getting influeced by "meta" role and shapes, here on arena now we have even a guide line about what kind of instruction are "better" or "not".
Once again ain't going to happen nothing if someone gives credit or say something about how did him/her reached the shape he wanted.
keithb said: I used the FYS IF in some tests and Girona save and it performed well. However I did change one DM to defend in the Girona save as the team is still not great overall and we won the league. I also dont have a SC at all really and used 17 and 18 year olds with potential but currently weak stats. So I feel its really good and it seems in your test for an elite side, almost like you will win every game.
I also changed attacking corners, free kicks and throw-ins as players were all over the place? Expand
set pieces are killing my brain ... it's like a visual bug always showing up
Did a quick run with 4231v5 noname as well! I will make later with positive/Balanced check even how the rules of the roles impact with the tactics as well!
I mean,everything looks like the same but sp's changes and other stuff make it a little bit better.
Or maybe it was just RNG wave.
Results:
Spoiler
Brentford: 4th 75 points Fulham: 4th 70 points Pool: 1st 101 points ; UCL Champs,Carabao Champs,CS Champs ( to me pool always did strange results for example on the scoring it's seem the lacking something, maybe haaland...) City: 1st 101 points ; FA Champs and CS (guess this was a bad wave :P) West Ham: 3rd 77 points CL champs.
I will even put a CWB version and IWB. I would even make one with AMC, i don't know why but this SS smell a bit to me.
moma post I might puke... (27 days later nothing changed)
Changelong that will be followed by more test run... Added: 4231 Focus Striker v3
A little Story: Spoiler
So, after what @crizeKOS said about CB etc, and after understand that my set pieces on defense are a joke, i went around but i have no clue how to manual change them, i mean i can't even copy anything because is going crazy and making pieces around ( but i am pretty newbie about it , i tried to get from Vujevic and readatting to 4231 no clue if it went good or not, i've almost broken the monitor from the frustation about those pieces... (if anyone wanna show me the light about those things at least how can i freely manage the pieces will would be great)
So i went back again from square 0 because something was strange to those results to me,so basically i've removed all those Approach play, because of the test or w/e, seem nowdays less you put and more you get in results... re-tweaked a bit the IF and did
First test : i didn't change rules just removed the "extra option", cb w/o narrow thing, AF with 2 rules.
I know, that i might be rng on full speed, that's why gonna make more test,but it never happened before so, even if haaland did only scored 120 goals, i am a bit satisfied about the changelog!
By random number generator, on this case means something that alterate the potential of the tactic overall, there are many factors that why there is a Testing-League etcetc.
For example i've created a Testing-league to test tactics, but for example it might be totaly different, from the formula that is applied here.
If you want to try to find the "pure" number that is your tactic power you need test on a certain field. I mean in game you will do 38 games in league plus the cups, maybe your players were better on fitness or the coesion or the moral or you didn't had many injuries, those aspect are the rng of this game. (there are WAY a lot).
So you need to test many many times, that's why there are tools like FMRTE that are used for the test league.
A real example i don't even know if what i wrote was even understanble, you might have won the league with spurs,like i did with westham but we don't know how the RNG affected the overall result. But if you do a stable number for like 10 times in a row (example), you might be "near" to an approximation of the potential of the tactic.
Because it's time consuming run tons of test and at a point you will face a wall and that's why here you can have a tactic tested!
this is a screen shot of my excel of my testing-league tab, i can say that on the first cell something happened there,results went sky rocket, i don't know how or why,maybe i hitted a huge RNG wave,if you notice the 2nd and 3rd they are pretty similar but in order to be sure that "cb no wider is better" i have to run it xMore times. But that's a random testing league that i made to collect data, doesn't mean nothing outside of it, if in-game the results are gonna be "bad".
That's the process i am using in order to get a tactic tested on vacation, otherwise if don't like the results it's going into the bin.
crizeKOS said: I made some tests against the top 6 as Newcastle. I had to change to positive mentality to take lesser goals away. In the forum test basically u play against very good teams as Roma/Leverkusen for instance if im not mistaken. I think that's the reason most of tactics that are on top are on structured team fluidity and positive mentality Expand
Yes, this "serie" is about Attacking, i will even make with positive and balanced as well.
I did some changes on Newcastle but didn't change that much,maybe was even RNG. Gotta check Later, gonna make one run on my test-league because like that is hard to say.
So i can check differencies to stay wider CD on/off
At least we can say that the magpies likes Carabao Cup :P
crizeKOS said: I think u r going to score the highest on table haha, pretty solid tactic ^^ gj Expand
I don't really think that! I am doing this to shows that those results made here on arena ,idk if there is a team or it's just zippo working on it are real, they might be little dettails for the majority,but that's what we chasing for!
Ok, so i've runned it with Fulham/Brentford/Westham/Newcastle
Those are the results for:
4231 Striker Focus
Spoiler
Fulham: 4th + runner on carabao Brentford: 4th + Fa champ WestHam : 1st + Conference league Newcastle : 6th + Carabao cup (that run is super strange,because i didn't except to get 70 goals,maybe rng striked hard)
Basically IFs became SS, at the time i was sure the game was more focused on the center,but the rules were really out of it. For the rest is basically a 4231 but narrowed.
At the time,i've added old meta rules,would be nice to see now if it can be decent.
Stay tuned on it.
4231N Team Extreme
Spoiler So,we doing it, where everything started, i hope there is any room to make the greatest shape ever working.
This version is all the adaptation of the rules of this FM23, first is underlaps without IWB (it's coming next).
41212 Extreme
Spoiler The whole idea was from a guy on my discord! This shape remind me the Goal Galore from FM22
Ok, so here i am.. I am facing a wall of datas, that were released here : that i am gonna call the Bibble, just because for me was really a good work.
So i posted 2 tactics : one that i would used/assembled with the pre-bibble of datas and one post that and to me something is quite strange, i don't know if that is something that the staff would test or not but to me is something strange,beside that i guess everyone knows that vacation taken as test is something full of rng and variation, but to preset a tactic we have to do something so here the vacation test:
On the first pictures 1pre 2pre you can see a tactic that if you analyze the meta around you would use/make/create, based on my previous knowdledge of the "meta", since is a game i guess we can call it like that to make things easier.
On the second post that is something i would make after the released of the datas,i know that is rng i don't even know how the hell that happened but that made me laugh a bit because somehow both of the tactics ended up at 97 points.
Someone could say : you used City,is normal that the team wins: Will clarify this,i can make more vacation test with others teams with those tactics but i am pretty sure the results on vacation will be the pretty similar.
I've putted new sp's that i find more efficent around the web(maybe because none is getting datas about sp's stats), gonna find away to test them as well later.
How are those PI's and tactic istruction working? that's something i gonna test later, but would like a help from the science as well!
Sorry for the wall of text, it's ok even if those tactics won't get tested i am just trying to figure out this mistery!
For now i will put on pause(guess waiting for the patch is a must)the offensive story,going to assemble positive or balanced tactics.
So,i passed the last days to make a testing league as a tool and checking every combination :
This 4231 Islam Focus Strike V4 is the last version that i am trying to figure out if i am wrong or not about the SS, i did more then 100 test about it, but i am losing my brain somewhere and this one was the best perfomed on my test league.
Sorry for the italian language on screens but my FM23 is getting xml.parsing something everytime i change language :|
I've runned vacation on City just for the shows.
Gonna release a IWB and WB version and one mixed thing that i've in mind.
I don't know if it's better to make a post for each version or is cool enough to keep them in here.
Just won't spam the whole forum out..
Similar to how "World of the best tactic in fm23 by ntr master" tweaked the original "WestHammer_4231DM by MakeSuRE" with two AF Strikers I decided to tweak the new "WestHammer_4231_Invert by MakeSuRE".
Tactic Screenshot:
Credit obviously to @MakeSuRE for original tactic.
Hope it works well!
Result screenshot from Roma (Credit @Sigismund)
Good choice to test it with the best team in World! AS Roma!
Yes if you have created a tactic from scratch and see it used and people claim it is 100% their work you will be annoyed. But again the ME isn't exactly expansive currently, so a lot of formations will see the same shape, player roles and instructions. That isn't anyone's fault, but we want to encourage more creators than deter. If I am going to create my own bad tactics I will be using two DM's and probably IW/IF's, two BPD's and one or two AF's. That's just the game?
I am strongly against plagiarism, cheating for gain( scum save its your game who cares) and copying others work to pass off as your own. Anyway gg's and thanks for the great tactics. I dont have the knowledge or patience to make my own really
It's really hard to say what is plagiarism or not, because depends how did you reached the point of the tactic to work. Imho is most that people getting influeced by "meta" role and shapes, here on arena now we have even a guide line about what kind of instruction are "better" or "not".
Once again ain't going to happen nothing if someone gives credit or say something about how did him/her reached the shape he wanted.
I also changed attacking corners, free kicks and throw-ins as players were all over the place?
set pieces are killing my brain ... it's like a visual bug always showing up
Did a quick run with 4231v5 noname as well! I will make later with positive/Balanced check even how the rules of the roles impact with the tactics as well!
Hf
No clue if they gonna test all of them, but Pversion to me seem more stable
Changelog :
Focus Striker V4
All test were made with City. 2 are pretty the same run, one went a bit way too bad.
If you guys are interested gonna make even with lower teams :o
Will give 3 runs to IWB and trying with AMC instead of SS
I did run some vacations with Focus Striker V3.
I mean,everything looks like the same but sp's changes and other stuff make it a little bit better.
Or maybe it was just RNG wave.
Results:
Spoiler Brentford: 4th 75 points
Fulham: 4th 70 points
Pool: 1st 101 points ; UCL Champs,Carabao Champs,CS Champs ( to me pool always did strange results for example on the scoring it's seem the lacking something, maybe haaland...)
City: 1st 101 points ; FA Champs and CS (guess this was a bad wave :P)
West Ham: 3rd 77 points CL champs.
I will even put a CWB version and IWB. I would even make one with AMC, i don't know why but this SS smell a bit to me.
I might puke... (27 days later nothing changed)
Changelong that will be followed by more test run... Added: 4231 Focus Striker v3
A little Story:
Spoiler So, after what @crizeKOS said about CB etc, and after understand that my set pieces on defense are a joke, i went around but i have no clue how to manual change them, i mean i can't even copy anything because is going crazy and making pieces around ( but i am pretty newbie about it , i tried to get from Vujevic and readatting to 4231 no clue if it went good or not, i've almost broken the monitor from the frustation about those pieces... (if anyone wanna show me the light about those things at least how can i freely manage the pieces will would be great)
So i went back again from square 0 because something was strange to those results to me,so basically i've removed all those Approach play, because of the test or w/e, seem nowdays less you put and more you get in results... re-tweaked a bit the IF and did
First test : i didn't change rules just removed the "extra option", cb w/o narrow thing, AF with 2 rules.
I know, that i might be rng on full speed, that's why gonna make more test,but it never happened before so, even if haaland did only scored 120 goals, i am a bit satisfied about the changelog!
Let's see how is gonna end!
GG! for the test!
By random number generator, on this case means something that alterate the potential of the tactic overall, there are many factors that why there is a Testing-League etcetc.
For example i've created a Testing-league to test tactics, but for example it might be totaly different, from the formula that is applied here.
If you want to try to find the "pure" number that is your tactic power you need test on a certain field. I mean in game you will do 38 games in league plus the cups, maybe your players were better on fitness or the coesion or the moral or you didn't had many injuries, those aspect are the rng of this game. (there are WAY a lot).
So you need to test many many times, that's why there are tools like FMRTE that are used for the test league.
A real example i don't even know if what i wrote was even understanble, you might have won the league with spurs,like i did with westham but we don't know how the RNG affected the overall result.
But if you do a stable number for like 10 times in a row (example), you might be "near" to an approximation of the potential of the tactic.
Because it's time consuming run tons of test and at a point you will face a wall and that's why here you can have a tactic tested!
this is a screen shot of my excel of my testing-league tab, i can say that on the first cell something happened there,results went sky rocket, i don't know how or why,maybe i hitted a huge RNG wave,if you notice the 2nd and 3rd they are pretty similar but in order to be sure that "cb no wider is better" i have to run it xMore times. But that's a random testing league that i made to collect data, doesn't mean nothing outside of it, if in-game the results are gonna be "bad".
That's the process i am using in order to get a tactic tested on vacation, otherwise if don't like the results it's going into the bin.
Yes, this "serie" is about Attacking, i will even make with positive and balanced as well.
I did some changes on Newcastle but didn't change that much,maybe was even RNG. Gotta check Later, gonna make one run on my test-league because like that is hard to say.
So i can check differencies to stay wider CD on/off
At least we can say that the magpies likes Carabao Cup :P
I will make even something with the "old meta rules comparision"
Can you tell me how many goals did Kane overall? I mean with all cups included
Need to check i don't remember why i even test them in first place!
It was just a test i might actually forgot to remove it... gonna run some test w/o it later!
I don't really think that!
I am doing this to shows that those results made here on arena ,idk if there is a team or it's just zippo working on it are real, they might be little dettails for the majority,but that's what we chasing for!
Baz said: Please test with a lesser team.
Ok, so i've runned it with Fulham/Brentford/Westham/Newcastle
Those are the results for:
4231 Striker Focus
Spoiler Fulham: 4th + runner on carabao
Brentford: 4th + Fa champ
WestHam : 1st + Conference league
Newcastle : 6th + Carabao cup (that run is super strange,because i didn't except to get 70 goals,maybe rng striked hard)