TopHill said: I dont get the hype around this tac, not working for me. Expand
I understand what you mean. It performs really bad in holiday tests, but I suppose it shines once you have high tactical familiarity. In my experience, I am getting better results with my own tactic, but I adapted it to have shadow strikers too. Playing without strikers is the real deal this patch.
Not sure if just me, but positive mentality seems to work better than attacking right now. Strikerless is definitely a thing too, which make me wonder if offside trap is just not good in this patch, with more goals happening on through balls.
Basically ZaZ 2.0 with Shadow Strikers instead of Pressing Forwards. It looks better, which makes me think SS are performing better than forwards in this patch.
Holiday 1-20th test in Premier League:
P.S.: Red 2.0 is a version that tries to give some identity to Red. Before, Red and Blue were too similar, changing just the attack mentality and passing directness. In practice, they both played the same way, with through passes to the center. Now, Red 2.0 plays more by the flanks, making it behave completely different from Blue.
Results from 2.0 with Fulham and Manchester City in holiday mode.
This tactic is all about having high intensity to attack and defend, building up the game with short but vertical passes. It's ideal for a team with high determination and natural fitness.
P.S.: Covered part is "Slightly Shorter Passing". I only noticed later.
The formation is 4-4-2 to ensure balance, with 2 players in each section of the field (center defense, center midfield, center attack and both wings). This is important in leagues with low budget or only 5 players on the bench, as you can train players to be effective in both positions from their sector and keep a smaller squad.
The mentality is attacking to ensure your players are committed to vertical soccer. When in possession, they are instructed to play out of defense and work ball into box, passing the ball shorter to keep possession, playing at extremely high tempo to unsettle the opposition and running at defense to progress through dribbling when possible.
The transition is your typical gegenpress, fighting back as soon as possession is lost and immediately looking for counter-attack.
When out of possession, the players will press as early as possible, with extreme urgency. They are instructed to get stuck in and play offside, as well as preventing short goal keeper passes.
All players have personal instructions to pass it shorter (to keep possession), take more risks (to make the game more vertical), get further forward and dribble more (to gain ground), shoot less often (to work ball into box), tackle harder (to fight with everything for the ball). Defensive wingers are set to cross from byline and center midfielder is set to move into channels, to increase penetration.
Roles are: SK - Defend: Picks up balls in front of penalty area. He is the only player instructed to take less risks, to make sure your team plays out of defense. Ideal profile: Alisson BPD - Defend: Defend and initiates counter attacks through short and fast passes. Ideal profile: Virgil Van Dijk IWB - Support: Protect the flanks when defending and become a center midfielder when attacking, providing numerical advantage for the short passing game. Ideal profile: Trent Alexander-Arnold DLP - Support: Covers the flanks during attack and uses his vision to decide where the game should flow. Ideal profile: Jordan Henderson CM - Attack: Protects the midfield and surges into the box when the opportunity arises. Ideal profile: Kevin De Bruyne DW - Support: Protect the flanks and provide crosses from the byline. Ideal profile: Trent Alexander-Arnold PF - Attack: Put pressure on defenders so they cannot play out of defense and score most goals in the team. Ideal profile: Roberto Firmino
There are no opposition instructions and no set piece takers.
This tactic is well suited to any kind of team, of any division and any budget. It was tested twice in the Premier League, using the first and last media predicted teams and going in holiday as soon as the tactic is set, without any other sort of interaction. Not only the first team won both times, but the last team also figured around the top. Both teams had most goals in the championship, with first team having fewest shots against and fewest goals conceded, while second team had the most tackles won.
Here are some screenshots of scorers, assists and overall performance.
Fixing the same error as Total Football, I changed the BPD to Pass it Shorter and set the SK to defend, so they don't waste possession because of their Take Risks default instruction. I holiday tested the tactics twice, with first and last media prediction teams, and got the following results.
I am not sure how much better this is, but it got my best result so far for second team (20° in media prediction). Since the change is probably not enough for it to be tested again, I would be happy if users could try it and tell me what they think.
Thank you for testing, @ta2199. I think short passing on BPD really makes a difference, but it's not that big of a difference for them to test the tactics again. If they were to test every small change in tactics, it would encourage people to use brute force instead of making smart changes and give them lots of extra work.
I was analysing this strategy to understand how it could be improved and noticed it has an error. The BPD are not set with the instruction to Pass it Shorter, so they keep wasting possession because of their Take More Risks default instruction. I made two runs to test with Pass it Shorter and the results looked a lot better. P.S.: SK was also changed to defend to retain ball possession.
I'll attach the tactic with fixed player instructions here. I understand if @Zippo don't want to run the tests again, so if anyone try it, let me know how better it is.
Basically the same as Total Football, but IWB were set to attack. Since they might leave the back open, the BPD were set to stay wider and the SK was set to defend. Holiday 1/20 tested on Premier League.
I am trying to see which formation has more potential to get tweaks, between total football, total attack or total balance. This one was also holiday tested with first and last media prediction from Premier League. I have a feeling the results were a fluke.
@Zippo, let me know if you want me to change the namee to something less generic. I've been thinking of using elemental dragons, like "Fire Dragon", Earth Dragon" and such, to keep it unique.
Please, could you give this tactic a different name. "Test - 2" doesn't look cool. Also, this tactic should be clearly distinguished from your previous tactic.
Thank you. Expand
Sure, I forgot to rename the file. Gonna change it.
Same as ZaZ - Total Football, but changed the roles from fowards and wingers to relieve from defense duty. Also changed wingbacks to allow overlap. Very high pace with short and vertical passing.
Tests were made picking the teams predicted to end first and last in the Premier League, then setting the tactics and going in vacation for the rest of the season.
I understand what you mean. It performs really bad in holiday tests, but I suppose it shines once you have high tactical familiarity. In my experience, I am getting better results with my own tactic, but I adapted it to have shadow strikers too. Playing without strikers is the real deal this patch.
Blue 1.0 tactic and results are shown below.
Holiday 1-20th tested on Premier League:
Blue 2.0 changes:
- Tempo set to "Extremely High"
- Removed "Get Stuck In"
- Removed "Run At Defense"
- Added "Roll It Out"
The description and results of Blue 2.0 are available at:
https://fm-arena.com/thread/884-zaz-blue-2-0/
Leave a comment below if you liked the tactic and make sure to share your results. Enjoy!
Holiday 1-20th test in Premier League:
P.S.: Red 2.0 is a version that tries to give some identity to Red. Before, Red and Blue were too similar, changing just the attack mentality and passing directness. In practice, they both played the same way, with through passes to the center. Now, Red 2.0 plays more by the flanks, making it behave completely different from Blue.
Results from 2.0 with Fulham and Manchester City in holiday mode.
Enjoy and let me know how it performed for you!
Keep me in touch about results, please.
As long as they are not slugs, you will do fine.
@Zippo, there is no need to test my other tactics again as they just got worse in the new match engine. Give priority to this one.
P.S.: Covered part is "Slightly Shorter Passing". I only noticed later.
The formation is 4-4-2 to ensure balance, with 2 players in each section of the field (center defense, center midfield, center attack and both wings). This is important in leagues with low budget or only 5 players on the bench, as you can train players to be effective in both positions from their sector and keep a smaller squad.
The mentality is attacking to ensure your players are committed to vertical soccer. When in possession, they are instructed to play out of defense and work ball into box, passing the ball shorter to keep possession, playing at extremely high tempo to unsettle the opposition and running at defense to progress through dribbling when possible.
The transition is your typical gegenpress, fighting back as soon as possession is lost and immediately looking for counter-attack.
When out of possession, the players will press as early as possible, with extreme urgency. They are instructed to get stuck in and play offside, as well as preventing short goal keeper passes.
All players have personal instructions to pass it shorter (to keep possession), take more risks (to make the game more vertical), get further forward and dribble more (to gain ground), shoot less often (to work ball into box), tackle harder (to fight with everything for the ball). Defensive wingers are set to cross from byline and center midfielder is set to move into channels, to increase penetration.
Roles are:
SK - Defend: Picks up balls in front of penalty area. He is the only player instructed to take less risks, to make sure your team plays out of defense. Ideal profile: Alisson
BPD - Defend: Defend and initiates counter attacks through short and fast passes. Ideal profile: Virgil Van Dijk
IWB - Support: Protect the flanks when defending and become a center midfielder when attacking, providing numerical advantage for the short passing game. Ideal profile: Trent Alexander-Arnold
DLP - Support: Covers the flanks during attack and uses his vision to decide where the game should flow. Ideal profile: Jordan Henderson
CM - Attack: Protects the midfield and surges into the box when the opportunity arises. Ideal profile: Kevin De Bruyne
DW - Support: Protect the flanks and provide crosses from the byline. Ideal profile: Trent Alexander-Arnold
PF - Attack: Put pressure on defenders so they cannot play out of defense and score most goals in the team. Ideal profile: Roberto Firmino
There are no opposition instructions and no set piece takers.
This tactic is well suited to any kind of team, of any division and any budget. It was tested twice in the Premier League, using the first and last media predicted teams and going in holiday as soon as the tactic is set, without any other sort of interaction. Not only the first team won both times, but the last team also figured around the top. Both teams had most goals in the championship, with first team having fewest shots against and fewest goals conceded, while second team had the most tackles won.
Here are some screenshots of scorers, assists and overall performance.
Let me know how the tactic worked for you. Enjoy!
I am not sure how much better this is, but it got my best result so far for second team (20° in media prediction). Since the change is probably not enough for it to be tested again, I would be happy if users could try it and tell me what they think.
I'll attach the tactic with fixed player instructions here. I understand if @Zippo don't want to run the tests again, so if anyone try it, let me know how better it is.
Holiday tested in Premier League with first and last predicted by media.
Please, could you give this tactic a different name. "Test - 2" doesn't look cool.
Thank you.
Sure, I forgot to rename the file. Gonna change it.
Tests were made picking the teams predicted to end first and last in the Premier League, then setting the tactics and going in vacation for the rest of the season.
For the tests, I picked the first and last predicted teams from Premier League, set the tactics and went in vacation for the rest of the season.