Belmorn said: Yeah i was kinda surprised as well that my tactic getting less than 20 goals in a whole PL season got battered in the tests. Defenitely needs tuning imo
@zaz as others mentioned corners strong , yet you don’t seem to pick play for set pieces ? Expand
It seems to have very similar results with or without, so I prefer not to use it.
Added a version with DLP moved to SS in case someone wanna try. Results don't seem to be too different for strong team, so it's an option if you have a good AM instead of a DM.
Target Person said: To be clear it wasn't a knock on tacticians here, you guys are doing a tremendous job working with what match engine gives you. Unfortunately ME and AI behaviour look very unbalanced at the moment so very attacking + high number of corners seems to be the most effective approach right now. Hopefully a big ME update will come at some point, though honestly I don't expect it to happen... Expand
I don't think corners are so absurd as people say. Before we had 100 goals a season with 20-25 goals from corner, now we have 140 with 30-35 goals from corner. The proportion seems about the same to me, it's just that teams are scoring more. I might be wrong, but it's just my feeling.
Thanks! It still has lots of potential to improve, since I didn't try any optimization on that shape yet. Hopefully it can reach 6.0+, either by me or someone's else tweak.
Farinhoto said: Já reparei que é tuga, o que simplifica muito a conversa pk o meu inglês...
Tenho uma serie de perguntas que fazia gosto que me respondesse em relação a sua tática.
-- Estou no Newcastle 1ª época e tenho tentado aplicar a sua tática mas noto que é bastante inconsistente. (foto 1). Alguma dica??
-- Quando tens alguém expulso como ajustas a tática??
-- A informação que tu colocas-te no que respeita aos jogos em casa, fora ou jogo difícil, é mesmo indispensável ser usado ou podemos ir sempre em ATACAR, faz alguma diferença??
Obrigado pela partilha da tática e boa continuação. Expand
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Just trying some new shapes to see if it works well. Orange is a 4-3-3 with three strikers and no wingers, with focus on scoring lots of goals.
Orange SS is the same as Orange, but with DLP moved to SS. Results are in this comment here. Since it's just a small variation with very similar results, @Zippo can leave it in the bottom of the priority list to be tested, or even ignore it. I uploaded it more to give options than to be tested.
Orange 2CM is a suggestion of MrGreen, moving both Vol to CM and SS to DLP. Results are here.
Light Orange SS is a tactic to save energy and avoid cards. It's worse than Orange SS, so it should only be used when you have a comfortable lead, like at least two or three goals.
Tejash said: @ NeOnHD92 can you please explain how to select if we are underdog or a hard game as it sometimes becomes tricky so as to which mentality to use. Expand
Hover over a couple of players from your opponent and see how the compare to yours. If they are better, then you are underdog.
bwig said: Thx man. Guess i can just wait. Btw, to me on 2d extended your old SS blue of FM2021 works better than any new tactic. Did u run it? Expand
It was tested here. I am currently playing with a version of Blue with strikers, but since this one was posted before and they are very similar, I thought it didn't make much sense to post my version.
bwig said: Well if u put attention to my comment "experienced in choosing my squad". I am totally aware about the fundamental requirements to have a solid squad set = acc-pce-drb-vision etc. as basics. Then i keep an eye on not having fatigue players by never have them play with more than "increased" injury status and ofc being match fit. I run a highly successful second team and youth recruitment already won trebbles (so there the tactic works perfectly). My transfer results are up in the sky since i develop own players and get people for free (6th months less on ending contract). I play this game since FM 2014 and while using other tactics also create my own on other saves. Does that clear things up? It seems unrealisticly spreading in certain modes and i wouldnt say that if i hadnt had that experience in older FMs early stages. Expand
Match engine seems broken right now (more than usual). If you check goals scored and goals conceded, most tactics are scoring around the same number of goals, but conceding around 50% more. That's probably because of the new animation system, that looks better but still needs some refining. Because of that, tactics get more unstable and have lower points per match compared to last year. For comparison, a 5.8 tactic last year was considered below average, while now it's the best we have. It should hopefully improve after next patches.
Sane said: Do you have any idea how to overcome 6 rating right now? Expand
I really believe it's a match engine issue, defenses are just too leaky. Since I don't think we can solve that before next patch, we probably need to go for tactics with high scoring capabilities.
To confirm that, someone could test the best defense tactic from last year, like Stronghold or Copper, and see how they concede over 1.5 goals per match in FM-Arena table (it was around 1.0-1.1 last year).
Target Person said: Honestly I feel like the near post corner kick routine is boosting most tactics this year. When I see my centre-back scoring nearly a goal per game I know it's not a great year for match engine... Expand
I think tactics are being held back by horrible defenses. We have the same attack power as last year, but defense is way leakier.
Seems like height isn't important at all. I remember of a right midfielder from Argentina, Juan Pablo Sorín, that used to be everywhere in the field. He was very short but had lots of jumping reach, winning several aerial challenges. I liked watching him because he was crazy, he played every ball like his life depended on that.
P.S.: Keep an eye that attribute performance is probably not linear. It could very well behave like a logarithmic function, where it grows very fast to maximum performance, then has a very small growth after certain value. That could mean the first points are very important and after certain level it's not important at all. Or it could be completely useless, hard to tell without further testing. Considering most good players have at least 8-10 in every attribute, then we can probably say it's useless.
Defenitely needs tuning imo
@zaz as others mentioned corners strong , yet you don’t seem to pick play for set pieces ?
It seems to have very similar results with or without, so I prefer not to use it.
I don't think corners are so absurd as people say. Before we had 100 goals a season with 20-25 goals from corner, now we have 140 with 30-35 goals from corner. The proportion seems about the same to me, it's just that teams are scoring more. I might be wrong, but it's just my feeling.
Thank you for testing!
P.S.: Just added a version of Yellow with three Advenced Forwards, since it worked well in Orange.
Would retrain them to the position you lack the most, be it WB, DM or ST.
Thanks!
Tenho uma serie de perguntas que fazia gosto que me respondesse em relação a sua tática.
-- Estou no Newcastle 1ª época e tenho tentado aplicar a sua tática mas noto que é bastante inconsistente. (foto 1). Alguma dica??
-- Quando tens alguém expulso como ajustas a tática??
-- A informação que tu colocas-te no que respeita aos jogos em casa, fora ou jogo difícil, é mesmo indispensável ser usado ou podemos ir sempre em ATACAR, faz alguma diferença??
Obrigado pela partilha da tática e boa continuação.
You can use private messages to talk in foreign language.
Orange SS is the same as Orange, but with DLP moved to SS. Results are in this comment here. Since it's just a small variation with very similar results, @Zippo can leave it in the bottom of the priority list to be tested, or even ignore it. I uploaded it more to give options than to be tested.
Orange 2CM is a suggestion of MrGreen, moving both Vol to CM and SS to DLP. Results are here.
Light Orange SS is a tactic to save energy and avoid cards. It's worse than Orange SS, so it should only be used when you have a comfortable lead, like at least two or three goals.
Hover over a couple of players from your opponent and see how the compare to yours. If they are better, then you are underdog.
Thanks for testing it!
It was tested here. I am currently playing with a version of Blue with strikers, but since this one was posted before and they are very similar, I thought it didn't make much sense to post my version.
Match engine seems broken right now (more than usual). If you check goals scored and goals conceded, most tactics are scoring around the same number of goals, but conceding around 50% more. That's probably because of the new animation system, that looks better but still needs some refining. Because of that, tactics get more unstable and have lower points per match compared to last year. For comparison, a 5.8 tactic last year was considered below average, while now it's the best we have. It should hopefully improve after next patches.
Yellow 2.0 is a tactic with three defenders for this new patch. I have created two versions, with one striker and two strikers, respectively.
Leave a comment below if you liked the tactic and make sure to share your results. Enjoy!
It's different from what I expected, so I think i need to do some more tests related to this part.
Not necessarily, but worth a test copying the other side.
I really believe it's a match engine issue, defenses are just too leaky. Since I don't think we can solve that before next patch, we probably need to go for tactics with high scoring capabilities.
To confirm that, someone could test the best defense tactic from last year, like Stronghold or Copper, and see how they concede over 1.5 goals per match in FM-Arena table (it was around 1.0-1.1 last year).
I think tactics are being held back by horrible defenses. We have the same attack power as last year, but defense is way leakier.
P.S.: Keep an eye that attribute performance is probably not linear. It could very well behave like a logarithmic function, where it grows very fast to maximum performance, then has a very small growth after certain value. That could mean the first points are very important and after certain level it's not important at all. Or it could be completely useless, hard to tell without further testing. Considering most good players have at least 8-10 in every attribute, then we can probably say it's useless.
So is my wife.