Most tactics with rate 6.0+ will get you to the top of the table and maybe lift some trophies with correct management. About the top 3 tactics, with grade of 7.0, there isn't much difference between them and you will most likely pile up trophies as long as you keep morale and physical condition fine.
It seems pretty bad for weak team. Goal difference from top was also worse. It seems like cross less often, and if you do, cross from deep (which is like a through ball). That way he first checks for passes, then for crossing if none is available.
healmuth said: I can confirm that early crossing produces better results. I forgot to take screenshots but i simmed with for 240 games total and Early Crossing came out on top every time.
On to test Early & Often Expand
I am trying to identify what is the factor of improvement: crossing less often or cross from deep. If it is cross from deep, then it will be better with cross more often. The fact is that cross from byline seems weaker.
As a side note, when you put five teams with the same strategy, or 25% of the league, you end up reducing the amount of points that each team could achieve in a normal league. That happens because they end up taking points of each other, when in normal conditions the team with a better tactic could have a better chance to win. For example, maybe Tottenham would smash the other four teams, but ended up getting a draw or loss against them away from home.
Just a note. I tested the same tactics but with Cross More Often instead on WM. The result was Manchester City undefeated in the league, with 104 points, but Fulham stayed close to 60 points. Maybe it was a fluke from ManC, or maybe Fulham got bad luck in the one run. I will run tests again just in case.
Ralle said: I have now tested Zaz-Blue and what results it has created!
all matches are played on holiday
- teams I was
Tottenham Aston Villa Brighton & Hove Albion Fulham West Bromwich Albion Expand
Thank you for testing! It's good to see that you can win the league in holiday mode with any of the big teams, and get good results even with minors. Results are even better when you manage the team yourself, keeping the players in good shape and their morale high.
ZaZ Cyan is a variation of Blue where DW is changed to WM so they can be set to cross less often, as well as cross from deep. That means they will look for through balls from wide position instead of doing the usual winger role, which is a huge change in play style. Another change is that DLP is set as DM to give more stability in the back.
Holiday tested with Manchester City and Fulham.
Here are the titles won in holiday mode (won everything) and the general performance graph.
I believe this is an improvement over Blue and is different enough to deserve some attention. I would also like to thank @healmuth and @Zippo for being patient with me despite my high number of submissions.
For people on consoles, player instructions are listed below. Except for the goalkeeper, every player have Tackle Harder, Drible More, Shoot Less Often and Take More Risks, when available, so they have been omitted from the list. The other instructions are: SK - Su: None BDP - De: Stay Wider IWB - Su: Get Further Forward DM - Su: Hold Position CM - At: Move Into Channels WM - Su: Get Further Forward, Cross Less Often, Cross From Deep, Run Wide With Ball, Stay Wider SS - At: None
healmuth said: Alright, ran three tests which should give some statistic stability at least (240 games)
Overall, the tactic is very good for stronger teams and has a good balance of attacking and defending. When looking at mid-table teams with CA140 or less, this tactic does not work as well as some others and is conceding too much. While offensively it still works very well, it really starts to struggle in the back.
I would say this is as good if not better than ZaZ Red for better teams but definitely worse for mid-and low table teams.
Averages Position CA165: 1 Position CA140: 17.6 Goals CA165: 193.33 Goals CA140: 178.33 Conceded CA165: 70.33 Conceded CA140: 174.33
Test 1
Test 2
Test 3
Avera Expand
I wasn't expecting such a thoughtful report. Thank you! I will check if it can be improved further before creating a new post. I think it will work even better with a DM instead of DLP, to give some stability to the defense.
Zippo said: If we see that some tactic is getting great attention and very positive feedback from the community then we'll test it no matter what so if you think this tactic is really something special then you should make it as visible as possible for people to try it so putting it at the opening post or creating a new thread for it is a good idea otherwise it could lost between the comments. Expand
I believe it's an improvement, but it's hard to say without an unbiased test. Gonna wait for the usual tests from @healmuth, then if it shows more promise than Blue, as I am seeing in my random play, then I create a new topic. Thank you for clarifying how it works and I hope I am not putting much work on you guys.
It doesn't require creating a new thread. You just can edit the opening post of this thread and add the tactic and info about it.
Please, notice that we've already tested 3 of your tactics that use 41320 formation so there's a low chance of seeing another of your tactic that use this formation is tested. Expand
Thank you for the reply. If it won't be tested, then I won't worry so much about it.
Got a variation of Blue that is basically a mix with Green. It worked pretty well on the holiday test, so I think it might be an improvement. @Zippo, should I start a new thread or it's fine to post just here?
healmuth said: No bad but definitely not as solid as Red and Blue Expand
Thank you for always testing the tactics, you have been very helpful to everyone. My next try for Green will be positive mentality with defensive responsibility switched from winger to defensive midfielder (DW -> W and DLP -> DM).
ta2199 said: So after 5 Edition, Will we have ZaZ-Thanos xD ? Expand
I am now trying to simplify the tactics. I will see what PI can be safely removed without impacting performance and change some roles to more conventional ones and keep any changes that don't affect the results. This will help new players adapt faster to the tactics.
Note: I've decided to rename this into Dark Red so I focus on two branches of tactics only, Blue (positive mentality) and Red (attacking mentality). Therefore, you can ignore this since it will follow in the Red topic.
Same as Red, but with direct passing. PIs to pass it shorter were also removed
Like usual, holiday tested with Manchester City and Fulham.
P.S.: Changed from low to extremely high tempo since it wasn't tested yet.
I had forgotten that this was still to be tested. I have 3 main branches of strategy: Red (high tempo, short passing, attacking), Blue (Normal tempo and passing, positive), and Green (low tempo, direct passing, attacking). I was focusing on Green since I couldn't find ways to improve Red, but now I will go back and explore Blue a bit.
Let me just say thank you for this tactic, which has saved my FM save after it fell off the rails when the match engine was updated. Solid defensively and lethal in attack, it's the best I've used with the patch and just keeps cranking out the results.
Thanks again and keep it up! Expand
You are welcome! Try Red+ and tell me what you think. It's better than this, but yet to be tested on the website.
P.S.: Nevermind. It just got tested and got worse results. It's weird because it definitely seems better in holiday tests and seeing it play.
Elpitcho said: What about wingers instead of DW? Will it compromise the balance and mentality of the tactic ?
Thanks for sharing and nice job! Could you just show the players stats ?
Thanks mate! Expand
Wingers and Defensive Wingers perform equally well. Use the one that you like the most. It's basically the difference between Red and Phoenix, which doesn't seem to be statistically significant.
About player stats, the tests were done in holiday node without hiring anyone. It works with any kind of players, but I would look for players with the profile of Roberto Firmino, Trent Alexander-Arnold, Virgil van Dijk...
It seems pretty bad for weak team. Goal difference from top was also worse. It seems like cross less often, and if you do, cross from deep (which is like a through ball). That way he first checks for passes, then for crossing if none is available.
On to test Early & Often
I am trying to identify what is the factor of improvement: crossing less often or cross from deep. If it is cross from deep, then it will be better with cross more often. The fact is that cross from byline seems weaker.
As a side note, when you put five teams with the same strategy, or 25% of the league, you end up reducing the amount of points that each team could achieve in a normal league. That happens because they end up taking points of each other, when in normal conditions the team with a better tactic could have a better chance to win. For example, maybe Tottenham would smash the other four teams, but ended up getting a draw or loss against them away from home.
all matches are played on holiday
- teams I was
Tottenham
Aston Villa
Brighton & Hove Albion
Fulham
West Bromwich Albion
Thank you for testing! It's good to see that you can win the league in holiday mode with any of the big teams, and get good results even with minors. Results are even better when you manage the team yourself, keeping the players in good shape and their morale high.
Holiday tested with Manchester City and Fulham.
Here are the titles won in holiday mode (won everything) and the general performance graph.
I believe this is an improvement over Blue and is different enough to deserve some attention. I would also like to thank @healmuth and @Zippo for being patient with me despite my high number of submissions.
For people on consoles, player instructions are listed below. Except for the goalkeeper, every player have Tackle Harder, Drible More, Shoot Less Often and Take More Risks, when available, so they have been omitted from the list. The other instructions are:
SK - Su: None
BDP - De: Stay Wider
IWB - Su: Get Further Forward
DM - Su: Hold Position
CM - At: Move Into Channels
WM - Su: Get Further Forward, Cross Less Often, Cross From Deep, Run Wide With Ball, Stay Wider
SS - At: None
Overall, the tactic is very good for stronger teams and has a good balance of attacking and defending. When looking at mid-table teams with CA140 or less, this tactic does not work as well as some others and is conceding too much. While offensively it still works very well, it really starts to struggle in the back.
I would say this is as good if not better than ZaZ Red for better teams but definitely worse for mid-and low table teams.
Averages
Position CA165: 1
Position CA140: 17.6
Goals CA165: 193.33
Goals CA140: 178.33
Conceded CA165: 70.33
Conceded CA140: 174.33
Test 1
Test 2
Test 3
Avera
I wasn't expecting such a thoughtful report. Thank you! I will check if it can be improved further before creating a new post. I think it will work even better with a DM instead of DLP, to give some stability to the defense.
I believe it's an improvement, but it's hard to say without an unbiased test. Gonna wait for the usual tests from @healmuth, then if it shows more promise than Blue, as I am seeing in my random play, then I create a new topic. Thank you for clarifying how it works and I hope I am not putting much work on you guys.
It doesn't require creating a new thread. You just can edit the opening post of this thread and add the tactic and info about it.
Please, notice that we've already tested 3 of your tactics that use 41320 formation so there's a low chance of seeing another of your tactic that use this formation is tested.
Thank you for the reply. If it won't be tested, then I won't worry so much about it.
Here are the results for holiday test with 1st and 20th media prediction.
Thank you for always testing the tactics, you have been very helpful to everyone.
My next try for Green will be positive mentality with defensive responsibility switched from winger to defensive midfielder (DW -> W and DLP -> DM).
I am now trying to simplify the tactics. I will see what PI can be safely removed without impacting performance and change some roles to more conventional ones and keep any changes that don't affect the results. This will help new players adapt faster to the tactics.
Same as Red, but with direct passing. PIs to pass it shorter were also removed
Like usual, holiday tested with Manchester City and Fulham.
P.S.: Changed from low to extremely high tempo since it wasn't tested yet.
Let me just say thank you for this tactic, which has saved my FM save after it fell off the rails when the match engine was updated. Solid defensively and lethal in attack, it's the best I've used with the patch and just keeps cranking out the results.
Thanks again and keep it up!
You are welcome! Try Red+ and tell me what you think. It's better than this, but yet to be tested on the website.
P.S.: Nevermind. It just got tested and got worse results. It's weird because it definitely seems better in holiday tests and seeing it play.
Done, just added to the main post.
Thanks for sharing and nice job! Could you just show the players stats ?
Thanks mate!
Wingers and Defensive Wingers perform equally well. Use the one that you like the most. It's basically the difference between Red and Phoenix, which doesn't seem to be statistically significant.
About player stats, the tests were done in holiday node without hiring anyone. It works with any kind of players, but I would look for players with the profile of Roberto Firmino, Trent Alexander-Arnold, Virgil van Dijk...