CBP87 said: To be honest, I don't there is any point in comparing the new results with the old ones, Zippo and the team have refined the test so its a different environment for both tests, plus the old ones were tested twice whilst the new table is testing 3 times. It's a difficult one and I don't really fully understand it myself yet Expand

Honestly, everything is really simple.

Let's say, you're trying to create a good tactic and you're testing your ideas in English Premier League.

If we take the 1st season ( the default database ) in English Premier League then we see that the league is heavily dominated by 4-2-3-1 and 4-3-3 formations, also, the AI managers in EPL have some specific sets of tactical settings ( Mentality, D-Line, Roles and so on ):










Let's assume that you found a tactic that works very well in EPL ( the 1st season ) so you might think that the job is done but the next season a lot of different AI managers come to the EPL or you move to a different league and now you've got a league that is heavily dominated by 4-4-2, 5-2-1-2 or 5-3-2 formations and also, the tactical settings of the AI managers have changes significantly:







And your tactic that worked very well in EPL ( the 1st season ) might stopped working at all due to a very different environment. Just look at the results under the new database, obviously, the environment(AI formations/tactical settings) makes a huge difference. 

Our new database has a better set of AI formations/tactical settings than the old database has, also, we left only the most successful AI tactical settings so we don't waste time on testing against weak AI tactical settings.

Please note, it might be that some of the top tactics from our testing work slight better against 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 formations and some work slight better against 4-4-2/5-3-2/5-2-1-2 formations but you can be sure that all the tactics from the top are well-rounded tactics and you can rely on them in any environment.

I hope that helps.

Cheers.

serhat22 said: In new testing, how could liverpool do so much worse. Is it because ME is so bad or it is showing that everything in the game related to luck? Expand

All the teams, AI managers and players in the testing league have been edited, there are no real players and AI managers in the testing league.

You can download a game save and see it for yourself - https://fm-arena.com/tactic/1869-oski-4-2-3-1/

ta2199 said: same question Expand

The results on the new database - https://fm-arena.com/table/14-patch-22-1-1/

The results on the old database - https://fm-arena.com/table/12-patch-22-1-1/

Check the opening post to find out the difference between the databases.

The new database's results - https://fm-arena.com/table/14-patch-22-1-1/

beinEthen said: No problem. The internal setting of PF responsibility in my last post is different from AF this time. In addition to strengthen the set - piece for tactical offensive force. Expand

This is very confusing. Sorry, but I don't get it.

Please, post the changes between this tactic and the previously tested tactic - https://fm-arena.com/thread/1944-warriorshiddink4123vap/

Thank you.

beinEthen said: @Zippo Hi. Can you test your tactics for me?
There was an error in the last post because of the pre - and post-update issues. I'm sorry Expand

Hi,

Please, fix the opening post of your previously tested tactic - https://fm-arena.com/thread/1944-warriorshiddink4123vap/

Here's more information on how the opening post should look like - https://fm-arena.com/thread/1661-how-fm-arena-picks-tactics-for-the-testing/

Also, post changes between this tactic and your previously tested tactic.

Thank you.

ZaZ said: I meant more a league where mental and technical are around 8-10 Expand
that low attributes level can only be met in the lower leagues but when we test tactics in the lower leagues then usually, even a very average tactic in combination with an average team wins the league, the resistance level is quite weak in the lower leagues ( poor AI managers and poor players ) so we don't see the point in testing such low level of attributes

ZaZ said: Other than that, I would like to see tests in a similar league where all teams have CA lower than 100 Expand
We do a lot of internal testing to make sure our testing league is reliable.

We've got a tactic testing league where all the players have their Mental and Technical attributes around 11 - 13 so it's a very low level for the attributes.



We test all the tactics that come on top in that league too to make sure there's no significant different between that league and the main league and I can say we haven't been noticing any significant difference.

Also, we test all high rated tactics in the major real leagues in the game with the real players and the real teams to see whether there's any difference comparing to our main tactic testing league.

For example, here's our "fake" EPL ( we adjusted it to 76 matches ).

Hi everyone,

We've collected a huge amount of data since the release of FM22 and it helped us to significantly improve our tactic testing league.

We analyzed the tactical settings of AI managers and determined which of them are most successful.

Here's an example how the tactical settings of AI managers look like ( it's just an example and there's nothing special in it ) :







We analyzed the formations across different leagues and determined the most successful of the them ( it's just an example and there's nothing special in it ):




We analyzed the roles and duties that the AI managers use and determined the most successful combinations ( it's just an example and there's nothing special in it ):





The attributes testing greatly helped us to understand how the attributes work in FM22 - https://fm-arena.com/table/13-fm22-attributes-ratings/



I can say that all that changes make a significant difference.

We haven't decided yet whether to start re-testing all the tactics for the current M.E. or wait for a new patch/M.E.

Tell us what you think we should do?

Cheers.

@salzby, hi.

I've changed the author, even the changes are very small but it isn't the original tactic anymore and you can't put the name of the original author on it.

Thank you.

@FM Artisan, hi.

Please, read this - https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/9585/

Thank you.

@bilisishen, hi.

Please, look at this - https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/9585/

Thank you.

saitjerome said: I'll keep that in mind. Thanks, is it gonna be tested or? Expand

Sure, we'll test it.

saitjerome said: I've uploaded to prntscr somehow it doesn't appear. Now i've changed screenshots, check again. Thanks Expand

Hi,

I've edited your post. Please, next time use the "Insert" button if you want to insert an attachment in your post.

Thank you.

Dino said: Ok the correct defensive tactic should be up now Expand

Please, look at this - https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/9585/

Thank you.

TacticMaster said: I did it, thanks for the help. Expand

Please, add the league table and the starting eleven/players' stats. The date should be visible so people can get a clue what season it is.

Thank you.

@beinEthen, hi.

Please, post correct screenshots of the tactic and don't remove them.


ZaZ said: What's the difference of this to Revelation, other than the PF?

P.S.: Just looked at the tactic in the link, and there they show AF, but IWB instead. That's confusing. Expand

He removed the previously uploaded screenshots.

@beinEthen, if you keep acting like that in the future then your tactics won't get tested.

Thank you.

@Dino , hi.

You uploaded a wrong tactic.

TacticMaster said:
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Hi,

Please, update the opening post and upload the screenshots as attachments.

Thank you.

Mark said: Thanks @Zippo. Do you arrange that or do you want me to start a new thread and copy this across? Expand

Please, do it yourself, I'm sure it'll be more informative and prettier if you do that.