@ZaZ, I just want to let you know that we tested your ZaZ - Blue DM tactic with the default attacking throw-ins routine and got 65 points vs 61 points ( the current ZaZ - Blue DM score ).
But I want to add that we tested 1,824 matches because only on the 1,824 matches distance the difference started to appear clearly.
WALTON1981 said: Just made a tweak of this tactic with the IWB's pushed further forward, it scored less than the original and conceded more but got 1 more point in my test league. Expand
@WALTON1981, if you want we can test it but you need to create a new thread for it.
"Team A" and "Team B" were using the same tactic and had the same players but "Team A" got 139 points and "Team B" got only 83 points.
We found you start getting more or less accurate results ( 5%-7% Accuracy ) only when you test about 912 matches and if you want about 2.5% Accuracy then you need to test about 1,824 matches. Anything less than that is a very approximate estimate.
nator said: Tactic based on @Albert's one. I have made only two changes so all the credits have to go to him. The changes :
I change the cb to bpd I remove the "Force Opposition Outside" team instruction v4 Expand
Hi,
I just want to let you know that if you're looking for it gets tested then the changes are too small to make any meaningful difference. Speaking other words, the changes make such small difference that is less than the error margin of the test so we find there's no point in testing such small changes.
ZaZ said: There are probably better people than me to answer this question, but I would use Salah on the left wing, Mbappe on the center and Mané on the right, with Dybala playing behind. Firmino is good but too slow, and Jota is fast but not that good. Expand
We've tested a left footed player as the right winger and a right footed player as the left winger in this tactic and there wasn't any significant difference so I guess you can safely play Salah on the right and Mane on the left.
ZaZ said: You guys could make that info easily available somewhere! So many cool things you tested, but since there is no pinned post in the forums, we just don't see it! Expand
At some point when I have a bit more more free time I'll make a detailed post about the players development and training.
I remember we did some tests trying to figure out what factors(except the attributes) make players to develop faster and we found the following factors had the most influence:
- The intensity of the training. The higher intensity, the higher development rate. - The quality of the training facility. - The quality of the coaches. - The amount of competitive matches a player participates during a season. - The quality of competitive matches (the competition reputation). - The ratings a player gets in matches.
Different training schedules didn't have any significant influences on the development rate, they just were responsible for the distribution of points between the attributes.
Just a heads-up, if your tactic is based on someone else's tactic or you take some elements from other tactic then you should state that the description and give proper credit otherwise it won't get tested.
NERU said: The assistent put defensive midfilders at Shadow striker That explains some results in the tactic test... if you want to use this tactic it take some time to train your striker or your wingers to play at CAM and shadow striker.
If you play in a underdog team, change to the mentality to positive or cautious Expand
Dino said: Maybe I should go back and look at the save files for my strikerless might explain why test scores are what they are. Expand
NERU said: The assistent put defensive midfilders at Shadow striker That explains some results in the tactic test... if you want to use this tactic it take some time to train your striker or your wingers to play at CAM and shadow striker.
If you play in a underdog team, change to the mentality to positive or cautious Expand
There are no defensive midfielders or central midfielders or attacking midfielders in our testing league.
We use universal midfielders to test tactics that have DM/MC/AMC positions.
This year we intentionally merged DM/MC/AMC positions because it better represents what we get when we play the game in normal way.
If your tactic is based on someone else's work or it uses some elements of other tactics then you should give proper credit for that in the OP. Please, update the OP and do that.
ZaZ said: I have updated the important attributes in first post. I also created a separated thread for it in the general section, which @Zippo coult kindly pin if possible. Expand
If you ask my opinion then I would not blindly follow it.
For example, if look at the central defenders spreadsheet then you'll see that "Long Throws" and "Crossing" has more weight than "Heading" but we know that Central Defenders don't take throw-ins and don't do crosses but they take a lot of headers so I don't understand how "Long Throws" and "Crossing" can be more important than Heading for Central Defenders... that doesn't make sense at all
But I want to add that we tested 1,824 matches because only on the 1,824 matches distance the difference started to appear clearly.
@WALTON1981, if you want we can test it but you need to create a new thread for it.
I just want to add that FM is random as hell.
Just look at the result of Test #2 - https://fm-arena.com/tactic/2546-reaper-41212-ultimate/
"Team A" and "Team B" were using the same tactic and had the same players but "Team A" got 139 points and "Team B" got only 83 points.
We found you start getting more or less accurate results ( 5%-7% Accuracy ) only when you test about 912 matches and if you want about 2.5% Accuracy then you need to test about 1,824 matches. Anything less than that is a very approximate estimate.
I change the cb to bpd
I remove the "Force Opposition Outside" team instruction v4
Hi,
I just want to let you know that if you're looking for it gets tested then the changes are too small to make any meaningful difference. Speaking other words, the changes make such small difference that is less than the error margin of the test so we find there's no point in testing such small changes.
If this is the same tactic - https://fm-arena.com/thread/2295-godball-does-it-live-up-to-the-hype/#comment-11771 then there wasn't any need in creating a new thread, you could just update the opening post in the previous thread and add the necessary information.
Btw, this thread still doesn't meet the requirements, more info - https://fm-arena.com/thread/1661-how-fm-arena-picks-tactics-for-the-testing/
Just to be accurate:
The left winger had Left Foot Rating 10 ( Reasonable ) and Right Foot Rating 20 ( Very Strong )
The right winger had Left Foot Rating 20 ( Very Strong ) and Right Foot Rating 10 ( Reasonable )
We've tested a left footed player as the right winger and a right footed player as the left winger in this tactic and there wasn't any significant difference so I guess you can safely play Salah on the right and Mane on the left.
At some point when I have a bit more more free time I'll make a detailed post about the players development and training.
I remember we did some tests trying to figure out what factors(except the attributes) make players to develop faster and we found the following factors had the most influence:
- The intensity of the training. The higher intensity, the higher development rate.
- The quality of the training facility.
- The quality of the coaches.
- The amount of competitive matches a player participates during a season.
- The quality of competitive matches (the competition reputation).
- The ratings a player gets in matches.
Different training schedules didn't have any significant influences on the development rate, they just were responsible for the distribution of points between the attributes.
Just a heads-up, if your tactic is based on someone else's tactic or you take some elements from other tactic then you should state that the description and give proper credit otherwise it won't get tested.
Thank you.
Please, add a screenshot of the tactic.
Thank you.
Hey,
I've already told you what is needed to be done - it requires posting your own result with the tactic.
Thank you.
If you play in a underdog team, change to the mentality to positive or cautious
Dino said: Maybe I should go back and look at the save files for my strikerless might explain why test scores are what they are.
Hi,
Please, read this - https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/11216/
Thank you.
If you play in a underdog team, change to the mentality to positive or cautious
There are no defensive midfielders or central midfielders or attacking midfielders in our testing league.
We use universal midfielders to test tactics that have DM/MC/AMC positions.
This year we intentionally merged DM/MC/AMC positions because it better represents what we get when we play the game in normal way.
I hope that helps.
Cheers.
@Heisenberg, hi.
I agree with @ZaZ.
If your tactic is based on someone else's work or it uses some elements of other tactics then you should give proper credit for that in the OP. Please, update the OP and do that.
Thank you.
If you ask my opinion then I would not blindly follow it.
For example, if look at the central defenders spreadsheet then you'll see that "Long Throws" and "Crossing" has more weight than "Heading" but we know that Central Defenders don't take throw-ins and don't do crosses but they take a lot of headers so I don't understand how "Long Throws" and "Crossing" can be more important than Heading for Central Defenders... that doesn't make sense at all
Please, post your own result with the tactic ( table / fixtures )
Thank you.
Please, post your own result with the tactic and a screenshot of the tactic.
Thank you.
I've changed that for you.
Cheers.
Ok, now the external source link is correct but you still need to post your own results with the tactic ( fixtures / table ).
When I follow the external source link I still can't find the tactic that you posted in the opening post.