ZaZ said: Do this instead of RPM on next patch, please. Expand
Sure, on the next patch we'll test it instead of the RPM version.
Btw, we've gathered enough data to conclude that some other changes like Wingers(S) -> Defensive Wingers(S) or Box To Box (S) -> Central Midfielders (S) make a smaller difference than the RNG even after 6 runs ( 912 matches ).
Even the difference between Vol(A) and RMP(S) is hardly can be caught on 6 runs ( 912 matches ).
ZaZ said: Basically, DLP instead of RPM, but I wanted to create a thread with more information to prepare for next patches. It might not be tested for 22.2, but it could get a test on 22.3 instead of Blue DM. In my tests, this one is better. Expand
If DLP instead of RPM is the only difference then there's no point in testing it because the RNG is bigger than that change even after 6 runs.
Mark said: @Zippo are you testing all tactics over the 6 tests or just the leading tactic? Expand
For now all tactics rated 5.1 or higher should get 6 runs ( 912 matches ) but at some point in the future all tactics rated 4.8 or higher should get 6 runs ( 912 matches ) too.
CBP87 said: Yeah no worries mate, so if I may use Mongoose as an example, it uses very attacking mentality with standard passing and standard width but with the ME update, these options are no longer available for very attacking mentality and have defaulted to slightly shorter passing and fairly narrow width meaning its a different tactic so to speak Expand
Ok, I see...
Hmmm... it might be that it was a visual bug and under the hood it always worked as "slightly shorter passing" and "fairly narrow".
Anyway, based on our experience I can say that 1 notch difference in the passing and width settings make so small difference that it hardly can be seen after 6 tests ( 912 matches ).
iwin89god said: @Zippo can you test it? this tactic has very beautiful and fluid gameplay and good results Expand
Hi,
The queue for testing is quite big at the moment so I would not expected to get tested soon. There's still a lot of tactics that need to be retested on the new database.
CBP87 said: To be honest, I don't there is any point in comparing the new results with the old ones, Zippo and the team have refined the test so its a different environment for both tests, plus the old ones were tested twice whilst the new table is testing 3 times. It's a difficult one and I don't really fully understand it myself yet Expand
Honestly, everything is really simple.
Let's say, you're trying to create a good tactic and you're testing your ideas in English Premier League.
If we take the 1st season ( the default database ) in English Premier League then we see that the league is heavily dominated by 4-2-3-1 and 4-3-3 formations, also, the AI managers in EPL have some specific sets of tactical settings ( Mentality, D-Line, Roles and so on ):
Let's assume that you found a tactic that works very well in EPL ( the 1st season ) so you might think that the job is done but the next season a lot of different AI managers come to the EPL or you move to a different league and now you've got a league that is heavily dominated by 4-4-2, 5-2-1-2 or 5-3-2 formations and also, the tactical settings of the AI managers have changes significantly:
And your tactic that worked very well in EPL ( the 1st season ) might stopped working at all due to a very different environment. Just look at the results under the new database, obviously, the environment(AI formations/tactical settings) makes a huge difference.
Our new database has a better set of AI formations/tactical settings than the old database has, also, we left only the most successful AI tactical settings so we don't waste time on testing against weak AI tactical settings.
Please note, it might be that some of the top tactics from our testing work slight better against 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 formations and some work slight better against 4-4-2/5-3-2/5-2-1-2 formations but you can be sure that all the tactics from the top are well-rounded tactics and you can rely on them in any environment.
serhat22 said: In new testing, how could liverpool do so much worse. Is it because ME is so bad or it is showing that everything in the game related to luck? Expand
All the teams, AI managers and players in the testing league have been edited, there are no real players and AI managers in the testing league.
Finish 2 / Predict 7
Andy Delort, finished top scorer in the championship, before mbappe.
Thanks.
Please, update the opening post and upload a screenshot that shows the tactic with TIs.
Please, post your own results with the tactic.
Thank you.
Sure, on the next patch we'll test it instead of the RPM version.
Btw, we've gathered enough data to conclude that some other changes like Wingers(S) -> Defensive Wingers(S) or Box To Box (S) -> Central Midfielders (S) make a smaller difference than the RNG even after 6 runs ( 912 matches ).
Even the difference between Vol(A) and RMP(S) is hardly can be caught on 6 runs ( 912 matches ).
If you want anything from this thread was considered for the testing then please, format the thread like this - https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/9585/
Thank you.
If you want anything from this thread was considered for the testing then please, format the thread like this - https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/9585/
Thank you.
If DLP instead of RPM is the only difference then there's no point in testing it because the RNG is bigger than that change even after 6 runs.
Please, add a screenshot of the tactic.
Thank you.
That's not true. I know who are the founders.
Please, don't spread misleading information.
Thank you.
Please, read this - https://fm-arena.com/thread/1661-how-fm-arena-picks-tactics-for-the-testing/
Thank you.
Please, read this - https://fm-arena.com/thread/1661-how-fm-arena-picks-tactics-for-the-testing/
Thank you.
For now all tactics rated 5.1 or higher should get 6 runs ( 912 matches ) but at some point in the future all tactics rated 4.8 or higher should get 6 runs ( 912 matches ) too.
Please, upload the screenshots as attachments.
Thank you.
The patch 22.2.0 results on the new database.
Ok, I see...
Hmmm... it might be that it was a visual bug and under the hood it always worked as "slightly shorter passing" and "fairly narrow".
Anyway, based on our experience I can say that 1 notch difference in the passing and width settings make so small difference that it hardly can be seen after 6 tests ( 912 matches ).
Could you elaborate a little bit on that? I don't get it.
At first we'll retest the top rated tactics from the previous patch as we always do
Hi,
The queue for testing is quite big at the moment so I would not expected to get tested soon. There's still a lot of tactics that need to be retested on the new database.
Honestly, everything is really simple.
Let's say, you're trying to create a good tactic and you're testing your ideas in English Premier League.
If we take the 1st season ( the default database ) in English Premier League then we see that the league is heavily dominated by 4-2-3-1 and 4-3-3 formations, also, the AI managers in EPL have some specific sets of tactical settings ( Mentality, D-Line, Roles and so on ):
Let's assume that you found a tactic that works very well in EPL ( the 1st season ) so you might think that the job is done but the next season a lot of different AI managers come to the EPL or you move to a different league and now you've got a league that is heavily dominated by 4-4-2, 5-2-1-2 or 5-3-2 formations and also, the tactical settings of the AI managers have changes significantly:
And your tactic that worked very well in EPL ( the 1st season ) might stopped working at all due to a very different environment. Just look at the results under the new database, obviously, the environment(AI formations/tactical settings) makes a huge difference.
Our new database has a better set of AI formations/tactical settings than the old database has, also, we left only the most successful AI tactical settings so we don't waste time on testing against weak AI tactical settings.
Please note, it might be that some of the top tactics from our testing work slight better against 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 formations and some work slight better against 4-4-2/5-3-2/5-2-1-2 formations but you can be sure that all the tactics from the top are well-rounded tactics and you can rely on them in any environment.
I hope that helps.
Cheers.
All the teams, AI managers and players in the testing league have been edited, there are no real players and AI managers in the testing league.
You can download a game save and see it for yourself - https://fm-arena.com/tactic/1869-oski-4-2-3-1/
The results on the new database - https://fm-arena.com/table/14-patch-22-1-1/
The results on the old database - https://fm-arena.com/table/12-patch-22-1-1/
Check the opening post to find out the difference between the databases.