Nebuuuu said: Hey ZaZ@Co. I`m finally registered here, to say BIG THX for this tactic.
At the moment i`m in my 2nd season@Bundesliga with my favourite team Hertha BSC. 1st season i got awesome results with a wierd team for this formation, because irl Hertha don`t have any good winger anymore and no fast Striker (almost everyone on loan or sold).
This is the end of the 1st season:
Lost the final@penalties to Frankfurt in the german football cup.
This, the 2nd season, 10 matches before end of the Bundesliga and 12 points ahead, place one.
Also 1st time Groupstage Champions League ez won and now vs Besiktas Istanbul, which should be kinda easy.
All this in my 2nd year@Hertha BSC.
I transferred alot players the last months. Fast, young, talented players came in. A few "Oldies" as backup and alot of youngsters for 2nd team.
1st year transfers (had almost 0 wingers or fast offensive player), escpecially for the left side.
2nd year transfers.
Also a few good, fast, young player came back from Loan (Dilrosun,Maier for CM etc.) and i bought Matheus Cunha back from Athletico for only 11,5 Mio.€ (he fits perfect as SS and is 30Mio.€ now, season not even over).
BUT...i have to say ZaZ, i tried your training-setup only the first few months in the 1st season, which gave me way more injured players even when i tried to rotate hard and watch the fatigue. I let my assists lead the training and it got a little bit better. I mean...i will try your training the 3rd season again, because i have a better team now with 2-3 player for each position + better/more assists, physios.
So far, thanks alot bro and stay safe. Have a awesome CL night@all. Expand
Thank you and congratulations! I hope you can win the UCL this season.
About training, I added my training schedules more because people asked, but I didn't do any experiment with training to know what's more effective, and I don't have any more knowledge about it than other players. I just use what I think makes sense to improve cohesion, give match bonuses, train speed attributes and give happiness, which I think are the most important things about training.
When I use those schedules, I rarely get many injuries. I mean, it's common to get short injuries of two or three days, and maybe have one or two players in longer injuries, but it never caused me trouble during the season. The In-Season schedule is actually pretty light, it shouldn't cause many more injuries than training from assistant manager. Maybe you got unlucky, or maybe your team has high injury proneness.
100ka said: @ZaZ what its diferent of light and dark blue tacitic? Expand
Light is to save energy and avoid bookings, to use when you are winning the match. Dark is the same as Blue, but with Very Attacking mentality, to use when you are desperate for goals.
ta2199 said: @ZaZ I think change 1 SS to AP maybe could improve the tactic a a little bit Expand
To be honest, I can't stand asymmetry in tactics. Nothing wrong with people doing it, but my head has rejection to the concept and seeks symmetry. You can create a topic to test it if you want, but I think I'm done for FM21, since next edition comes in a couple of weeks.
Chatin said: Great tactic. Almost unbeatable. Wins Premier League, Champions League and Carabao Cup. Finalists in the FA Cup. Many games in the last month. Up to 7 games in the last 2 weeks. I signed Brandt at the winter market and sold Giroud.
Dark Blue, It has helped me at specific moments to score the goal I needed.
@ZaZ I have a question, when there are no matches in the national team matches, what training do you get? Expand
I would give one week vacation to everyone (to avoid fatigue), then Pre-Season until matches come back.
Kyle said: Ah, thank you. Would this still be the case if someone is better suited as an AP in the middle but the tactic has them set as a CM? Expand
I would rather follow the tactic role than what the assistant manager thinks or the favorite role of the player. Those things are completely worthless, because they consider some attributes that have very little impact in the game, as you can see in the table of important attributes.
Kyle said: Obviously a lot of the tactics on here are designed to get the most out of set generated players in a plug and play style, but my question is would that still be the case when you've got players with different abilities etc? For example, if someone is rated as a 4 star WB but only a 2 star IWB would you still get better results playing them as an IWB? Is it case by case? Do some positions perform better and some are fine to interchange? Expand
Assistant opinion on player's ability can be safely ignored, it has no effect in performance. They give low stars because, for FM development team, IWB should have opposite foot.
For a wingback, the preferred foot is important for shooting (which IWB-Su rarely do), crossing (they don't do either) and what direction they will pass the ball more often. Since most tactics try to balance the flow between flanks and center, it doesn't matter much.
100ka said: hello @ZaZ i try your tatcitic on my low lvl club in serbian league ... i promoted from 2nd devision and 4 sesaon i stay on midle table and now i want to try this ... so need me individaul trening for strikers ? i have af stiker now i put to trainer SS? and whan i use in-season and in-season 2 version of trainng? its be good to crate filter list for postion but this is so good for now tnx a lot and i shere my sesaon Expand
Hi! Put your strikers to train for SS. Accomplished players play almost as well as Natural, but you can really feel the difference if they are below accomplished. Some friendlies can help achieve Accomplished faster.
About the training, one is for two matches a week while the other is for one match a week.
Good job there! Make sure to keep an eye on fatigue (on medical centre) and keep the team motivated, because it's normal for them to get complacent when they are winning too much.
Probably my last tactic before FM22. It's basically Blue 3.0 with Play For Set Pieces and defenders as CD. Name is Blue Waves because I got inspiration on Waves V2 to test the changes. Below are the tactics and results from a holiday test with Manchester City and Fulham.
ta2199 said: After some season now we are EPL champion (Predicted 6th). Next target should be C1 Cup Here is our Key Player. He played well in both DM and MC Position And Here is the Best Player in the World now. Does this player worth to buy for 107Mil ? @ZaZ cause Im planning to bring him in Expand
Congratulations! Did you get relegated the other season, or you survived and then won?
About the best player, I would totally buy him. I usually have a rule to try and improve at least 10% of my team every year. However, if there is an extremely good player that I know will stay in the team until he retires (can't ever find many better than him), then I would make the sacrifice.
Keshk said: Is there anyway to save some energy to my players for next matches while winning by 2 goals or more ? Expand
Change mentality to cautious and add slow pace down to goalkeeper. You can also tell them to waste time often and stay on feet, but that will have a slightly bigger impact on your performance. If you don't care about performance because you are already winning by a lot, then you can also lower tempo to at least 50%.
@ZaZ is now @ZaZ. The change was made because ZaZ is the nickname I use in most places, and it was a bit weird to see "ZaZ - Blue by ZaZ" instead of just "Blue by ZaZ".
how many pre-season retreat weeks do you set? Do you play a friendly match a week? Expand
One friendly per week, for every week without an official match. The first week with official match I use the in-season training routine.
Remember that there are probably better training routines around there, that were throughly tested. Those are just the ones I use and I never did any experiment to optimize them.
ta2199 said: Yeah thats is my purpose for this season. Well It's a little bit suffering when watching your team get demolished almost every rounds. Now I know why people say EPL is so competitive Expand
I guess you should look at it in a positive way. Every time you get beaten to a pulp, think how the hell a team as bad as yours managed to get to EPL. You should be proud of carrying those deadwood there.
Gegenpress.
I get lots of small injuries, but it's very rare to get more than two or three players with injuries longer than two weeks.
I`m finally registered here, to say BIG THX for this tactic.
At the moment i`m in my 2nd season@Bundesliga with my favourite team Hertha BSC.
1st season i got awesome results with a wierd team for this formation, because irl Hertha don`t have any good winger anymore and no fast Striker (almost everyone on loan or sold).
This is the end of the 1st season:
Lost the final@penalties to Frankfurt in the german football cup.
This, the 2nd season, 10 matches before end of the Bundesliga and 12 points ahead, place one.
Also 1st time Groupstage Champions League ez won and now vs Besiktas Istanbul, which should be kinda easy.
All this in my 2nd year@Hertha BSC.
I transferred alot players the last months.
Fast, young, talented players came in. A few "Oldies" as backup and alot of youngsters for 2nd team.
1st year transfers (had almost 0 wingers or fast offensive player), escpecially for the left side.
2nd year transfers.
Also a few good, fast, young player came back from Loan (Dilrosun,Maier for CM etc.) and i bought Matheus Cunha back from Athletico for only 11,5 Mio.€ (he fits perfect as SS and is 30Mio.€ now, season not even over).
BUT...i have to say ZaZ, i tried your training-setup only the first few months in the 1st season, which gave me way more injured players even when i tried to rotate hard and watch the fatigue.
I let my assists lead the training and it got a little bit better.
I mean...i will try your training the 3rd season again, because i have a better team now with 2-3 player for each position + better/more assists, physios.
So far, thanks alot bro and stay safe.
Have a awesome CL night@all.
Thank you and congratulations! I hope you can win the UCL this season.
About training, I added my training schedules more because people asked, but I didn't do any experiment with training to know what's more effective, and I don't have any more knowledge about it than other players. I just use what I think makes sense to improve cohesion, give match bonuses, train speed attributes and give happiness, which I think are the most important things about training.
When I use those schedules, I rarely get many injuries. I mean, it's common to get short injuries of two or three days, and maybe have one or two players in longer injuries, but it never caused me trouble during the season. The In-Season schedule is actually pretty light, it shouldn't cause many more injuries than training from assistant manager. Maybe you got unlucky, or maybe your team has high injury proneness.
Gratz!
Light is to save energy and avoid bookings, to use when you are winning the match. Dark is the same as Blue, but with Very Attacking mentality, to use when you are desperate for goals.
ta2199 said: @ZaZ I think change 1 SS to AP maybe could improve the tactic a a little bit
To be honest, I can't stand asymmetry in tactics. Nothing wrong with people doing it, but my head has rejection to the concept and seeks symmetry. You can create a topic to test it if you want, but I think I'm done for FM21, since next edition comes in a couple of weeks.
Chatin said: Great tactic. Almost unbeatable. Wins Premier League, Champions League and Carabao Cup. Finalists in the FA Cup. Many games in the last month. Up to 7 games in the last 2 weeks. I signed Brandt at the winter market and sold Giroud.
Dark Blue, It has helped me at specific moments to score the goal I needed.
@ZaZ I have a question, when there are no matches in the national team matches, what training do you get?
I would give one week vacation to everyone (to avoid fatigue), then Pre-Season until matches come back.
I would rather follow the tactic role than what the assistant manager thinks or the favorite role of the player. Those things are completely worthless, because they consider some attributes that have very little impact in the game, as you can see in the table of important attributes.
Assistant opinion on player's ability can be safely ignored, it has no effect in performance. They give low stars because, for FM development team, IWB should have opposite foot.
For a wingback, the preferred foot is important for shooting (which IWB-Su rarely do), crossing (they don't do either) and what direction they will pass the ball more often. Since most tactics try to balance the flow between flanks and center, it doesn't matter much.
Correct.
tnx a lot and i shere my sesaon
Hi! Put your strikers to train for SS. Accomplished players play almost as well as Natural, but you can really feel the difference if they are below accomplished. Some friendlies can help achieve Accomplished faster.
About the training, one is for two matches a week while the other is for one match a week.
Good job there! Make sure to keep an eye on fatigue (on medical centre) and keep the team motivated, because it's normal for them to get complacent when they are winning too much.
More information, like set pieces, best player attributes or training schedules can be found on the link below.
https://fm-arena.com/thread/884-zaz-blue-3-0
Leave a comment if you liked the tactic and make sure to share your results. Enjoy!
Waves V2 and v3 weren't tested, I wonder how they would go with SS instead of AF.
Here is our Key Player. He played well in both DM and MC Position
And Here is the Best Player in the World now. Does this player worth to buy for 107Mil ? @ZaZ cause Im planning to bring him in
Congratulations! Did you get relegated the other season, or you survived and then won?
About the best player, I would totally buy him. I usually have a rule to try and improve at least 10% of my team every year. However, if there is an extremely good player that I know will stay in the team until he retires (can't ever find many better than him), then I would make the sacrifice.
Seems like it's made for defenses with three players, acting as a central defender when defending and as a wingback when in possession.
Change mentality to cautious and add slow pace down to goalkeeper. You can also tell them to waste time often and stay on feet, but that will have a slightly bigger impact on your performance. If you don't care about performance because you are already winning by a lot, then you can also lower tempo to at least 50%.
how many pre-season retreat weeks do you set? Do you play a friendly match a week?
One friendly per week, for every week without an official match. The first week with official match I use the in-season training routine.
Remember that there are probably better training routines around there, that were throughly tested. Those are just the ones I use and I never did any experiment to optimize them.
I guess you should look at it in a positive way. Every time you get beaten to a pulp, think how the hell a team as bad as yours managed to get to EPL. You should be proud of carrying those deadwood there.
just me said: man u
Manchester United are such a good team in paper, but I doubt they will get anywhere this season. Solskjaer just doesn't look like a champion.