keadude said: That's great. Thanks for the reply. Also... do you reckon the ratings you've done for Genie Scout (in the opening post) could be translated at all to FMRTE? They have a ratings system in that too but it seems to be a lot different to Genie Scout. Expand
keadude said: Hey @ZaZ, apologies if you've answered this but what would you recommend I do if the DW gets a card early in the game? Is there a role that is similar to the DW which won't ruin the tactic but would allow me to ease off tackles? Otherwise I spend the whole game just bricking it that my winger is about to axe someone and get his second yellow. Expand
That's what I'm testing right now, which role is better to replace DW so you can easily change from tackle harder to ease off tackles. I'll give the answer when tests are done.
Tejash said: @ZaZ Im testing with Arsenal as they have Ode and Xhaka left footed so should I go for the mirror white? Rest of the instructions remain the same and the fastest striker will be now on the left aye? Expand
I didn't test the mirrored tactic, and to be honest, I'm not sure how much preferred foot would impact the tactic. It would be interesting to test editing all players to be right footed, then run a second test with all players left footed (I might run that test myself some other time).
If you want my opinion, I don't think the difference in performance would be that great, so you can go for mirrored it fits your players better.
mackforever said: Giving this a go with my Sunderland side, currently over-performing in the Championship. Initially we were conceding lots but scoring more. Looked great going forwards but were getting carved open at the back. Dropped the d-line to Standard and added Tighter Marking and all of a sudden it looks much more solid, we're now winning 2/3-0/1 rather than 4/5-2/3. Expand
Defensive line is already standard. Anyway, thanks for testing!
Great tactic though, lots of combinational play (the Troyes loss GK made a mistake and we hit the post twice, creating 3.08 xG and still not being able to score) Expand
Ucan said: Which one is the best, rpm or dm? Expand
RPM and DM are the same, just different names. It's just because it doesn't make sense to call DM when Blue 3.0 also uses DM.
ADR88 said: Using the DLP version with two slight tweaks. Wingers on support instead of DW's but with max pressing set, also removed hard tackling from everyone.
So far played 15 or so games only 1 league defeat, won the rest. Expand
Good job there! I'm currently testing different support roles instead of DW, like WM and W, so light version can have all roles with ease off tackles (which DW doesn't allow).
Meiser63 said: Looks really solid. Do you think it is possible to mirror the Formation? Expand
It is possible, but not recommended because left footed players are more rare than right footed ones. It's uploaded there if you really want to use it.
P.S.: I re-uploaded the tactic since I forgot to change team instructions.
Now at 26 matches into the league. I got kicked out of Carabao Cup, but still going on FA Cup and Papa's John Trophy. The league is also going well, maybe way easier than I thought it would be.
Because of the good results in the cups, my finances are finally in the blue, with 516k in balance and a projected balance of 268k for next year. I tried to ask for improvements for training grounds and youth set up a couple of times, but got denied twice already. Because of that, club structure is still the same as when we started, except stadium, since we loaned a bigger one because of league requirements.
During these past matches, I gave two weeks of holidays to my players, in two different occasions (when I got 8 days between matches). Two of my players are now regulars on their national teams, Liberia and Saint Kitts and Nevis (sorry if anyone lives there, but I didn't even know that country existed). I really dislike to have players in national teams, because you get no benefit from it, but I try to think like real life and just let them be happy there.
Some players are starting to complain about play time, so I changed all agreed playing time from main team to regular starter and all second team players to squad players. Half the squad complained, but since they were happy they just let the issue go when I talked to them (without the need of convincing them). Two players required me to promise to increase their play time, but I will just keep my plan and hope they get happy enough. Even when they get unhappy with playing time or unkept promises by the end of season, they usually let it go after a while if team is winning and they are happy.
Other important things that happened include the injury of my main goalkeeper for nine months, with a broken leg. My reserve goalkeeper is not that great so I might need to hire a new player just in case. Transfer window is now open and I have around 60k free annual wage budget, so I might try to find some good free player to improve the team.
There it is. Gonna update the page too in case other people get interested, but it won't get tested.
Guidito said: Hey Zaz do you think its possible to make the training schedules downloadable? Or shall I just look at OP and copy? Expand
It's pretty simple to create a schedule, so I prefer to keep the images so people on consoles can use them too. The annoying part isn't creating or loading the training schedule, but assigning it to the entire year.
JamesFox100 said: I havent conceaded since switch to White but i am noticing more fatigue setting in but i am in a very busy Decemeber with my Liverpool squad. Expand
Can't be helped, december is always busy. If I already dislike competitions like Carabao Cup, imagine friendlies like World Cup.
JamesFox100 said: Tried this out myself and getting good results seems to be tighter at the back compared to Blue DM and Orange 2.0, albeit very limited testing. Expand
I didn't optimize it yet, this is just a raw draft to see if it has any potential. It can probably be improved later, if results are promising.
How does this shape up against Blue DM and Orange 2.0 Expand
I didn't do all tests yet to compare, but I would say initial results were pretty good. In the first and only test, it got better results than any of the three tests of Blue RPM (Blue DM) for Manchester City, Arsenal, Southampton and Derby. However, I need to finish all tests before drawing any conclusion.
White is a high intensity tactic with heavy focus on the right flank. The idea is to concentrate your players from middle to right, overloading that side to create numerical advantage.
Instructions Spoiler
For people in consoles, below are the screenshots of team and player instructions.
Set Pieces Spoiler
My set pieces are a tweak from earlier versions of Blue, Void from @Cyborg, Motion from @Egraam and Phoenix from @Magician. More information in this thread. (I will try to improve set pieces eventually, but I keep pushing it farther ahead in the schedule.)
Set piece takers should be the best available. For throw ins, give preference to wing-backs of respective side, and for corners, give preference to wingers of respective side. Right BPD should be the best header and right AF should be the fastest striker.
Set pieces are the same as Blue, with mezzala doing the role of shadow striker and inside forward doing the role of defensive winger.
Training Spoiler
My training schedules are focused in the following sessions: - Recovery: injury risk. - Quickness: most important attributes (pace and acceleration). - Match practice and team bonding: cohesion and happiness. - Teamwork, defensive shape and attacking movement: upcoming match bonuses and tactical familiarity. - Match preview and rest: match day defaults (rest would become travel in away matches).
For additional focus, goalkeepers train reactions while all other players train quickness.
Below are training schedules for one match per week, two matches per week and pre-season. I assume one match per week during pre-season, for revenue.
I recommend dividing attributes in three tiers to compare players. Use lower tiers only to break ties of uper tiers. - Tier 1: pace and acceleration. - Tier 2: stamina, anticipation, jumping reach, dribbling (offensive players), work rate (defensive players). - Tier 3: all other attributes.
Preferred Foot Spoiler
Right foot for everyone, but don't skip on a good player just because of preferred foot.
Role Ability Spoiler
Role ability, or the stars showing how good a player is in his role, can be safely ignored. It's just cosmetic, showing the opinion of your assistant manager based on current ability and the role attributes. It's always gonna be low for IWB using the same foot as side, or DW with low defending attributes, despite making no difference in performance. In the end, what really matters is position rating, which should be at least accomplished (dark green).
Remember, the important attributes are not the ones highlighted in a player role, but those that actually impact performance as you can see in the FM-Arena table for attributes ratings.
Opposition Instructions Spoiler
Empty. Feel free to change if you know what you are doing, but don't listen to your assistant manager.
Squad Management Spoiler
To be successful in football manager, you need to manage your team's playing time, which affects happiness, match sharpness, fatigue (can only be seen with sports scientist) and condition. Happiness and sharpness are managed by making sure each player is getting enough minutes, while fatigue and condition are managed by avoiding giving more minutes per week than they should play. Note that you can use friendlies and reserve matches to keep players sharp, but those matches have no effect on happiness.
My suggestion to manage the squad properly is to add two columns to selection info: "fitness and injuries > fatigue" and "stats (general) > general > games missed in a row". You can do that by right clicking any column name in squad screen, e.g., name, position, and selecting insert column. Make sure you don't use players with high fatigue and don't let any player reach too many games missed in a row (between 3 to 5 depending on your squad size).
After matches in tight weeks, you can rest the most tired players from training so they can recover condition to the next match. To do so, select any players you want to rest, then right click, training > rest > 1 or 2 days. That should be enough to have your most important players in shape for big matches.
Morale is another characteristic that needs management. The easiest way to increase morale is by winning, but you can also praise last (official) match, recent form (last 5 games) and training level, as well as criticize the same things. I recommend praising anyone with rating above 9 and criticize anyone with rating below 6. After defeats, I recommend complimenting any player with recent form or training with rating 8.1+.
Finally, you also need to manage complacency and anxiety. That is usually done through team talks and shouts. The effect is based on players hidden status and match odds, but some talks and shouts are usually more positive than others. For example, praising a winning team with shouts usually gives positive response, as well as encouraging your team when not winning (losing or tie).
For team talk, I usually prefer to relieve pressure telling them to play their natural game, then tell them individually that I have faith on them. At half time, I praise them if winning by at least two goals, otherwise I tell them I'm not happy. After match, I praise them for victories, tell them I'm unhappy when we don't win and sometimes warn against complacenty after big wins. Keep in mind that you should be a little bit lighter with your team against stronger opponents.
If one of your players get a yellow card during a match, it might be a good idea to change his players instruction to Ease Off Tackles to avoid being sent off. To do so, click on the player card by the bottom of match view, then click player instructions. You can also do the same for very tired players if you run out of subs, as well as reducing his individual pressing trigger, to avoid injuries.
Custom Testing League Spoiler
My testing league is set to include only english competitions and english teams. All players from English Premier League and Sky Bet Championship are set to have maximum consistency, important matches and natural fitness, while having minimum injury proneness. The editor data can be downloaded here.
There are two different group of teams being tested, with each run using two teams from Premier League and two from Sky Bet Championship, simultaneously. Teams were picked by preview odds, having the best and worst odds of each league, as well as best and worst from middle ten odds. The teams from Premier League are Manchester City, Arsenal, Southampton and Norwich, and the teams from Sky Bet Championship are Bournemouth, Blackburn, Barnsley and Derby.
Tactics are tested in holiday mode, three times for each group of teams, with results ranked between all tactics tested. The tactics with smallest sum of ranks is considered the best. For example, below are the results of Blue 3.0, Blue DM and Orange 2CM, with selected cell as the best result.
Changelog Spoiler
Other Versions Spoiler
White (Reverse) is the same tactic, but mirrored. Not recommended since left footed players are rarer than right footed ones.
Leave a comment below if you liked the tactic and make sure to share your results. Enjoy!
POXZILLA said: Yea, as long as I'm scoring goals I'm happy, but I really love to see my striker top the leaderboard at the end of the season. And that was something I managed to get from your "Orange" tactic. But at the end of the day, your tactics makes my FM experience a joy, so thanks for that : ] Expand
If you want your striker to top the charts, then this tactic won't do. I was going to post an upgrade of Green another day that manages to get lots of goals into the striker, but then someone posted this tactic with almost the same roles and instructions (it uses AF instead). I can still post it there if you wanna use it, even if it won't be tested, but I suppose you can just use that one that was already tested.
Six matches into Sky Bet League Two (so I can skip ten at a time until fourty six matches of the season). My team is again predicted last by a large margin, but promotion should be easier since there are three direct promotions plus one in play offs (lower divisions have one direct plus one in play offs).
I have hired 8 new players, upgraded contract of 14 from last season to full time and sold (loaned out) everyone else. The new squad of 22 players has an annual cost of 586k euros, from ~360k from past season.
Season has been rather good this year. Other than pre-season cash grabbers, I have won all official matches. I'm rotating a lot, with second team playing Carabao Cup and Papa's John Trophy while main team focuses on the league. My initial goal is to earn 282k euros to get a positive balance projection, then I want to use any leftovers to start upgrading my facilities (still everything in the worst quality).
Below are media odds, projection of finances, competitions, schedule, squad and player in best form. Let me know if you want to see the full profile of any player. Tyler Magloire is a beast in speed.
Still, I want to run a test with all roles (Winger, Wide Midfielder, Wide Playmaker and Inverted Winger) in both Support and Attacking Duties.
I have never used FMRTE, so I have no clue. =)
That's what I'm testing right now, which role is better to replace DW so you can easily change from tackle harder to ease off tackles. I'll give the answer when tests are done.
I didn't test the mirrored tactic, and to be honest, I'm not sure how much preferred foot would impact the tactic. It would be interesting to test editing all players to be right footed, then run a second test with all players left footed (I might run that test myself some other time).
If you want my opinion, I don't think the difference in performance would be that great, so you can go for mirrored it fits your players better.
Defensive line is already standard. Anyway, thanks for testing!
Great tactic though, lots of combinational play (the Troyes loss GK made a mistake and we hit the post twice, creating 3.08 xG and still not being able to score)
Thanks for testing!
RPM and DM are the same, just different names. It's just because it doesn't make sense to call DM when Blue 3.0 also uses DM.
ADR88 said: Using the DLP version with two slight tweaks. Wingers on support instead of DW's but with max pressing set, also removed hard tackling from everyone.
So far played 15 or so games only 1 league defeat, won the rest.
Good job there! I'm currently testing different support roles instead of DW, like WM and W, so light version can have all roles with ease off tackles (which DW doesn't allow).
Thanks!
It is possible, but not recommended because left footed players are more rare than right footed ones. It's uploaded there if you really want to use it.
P.S.: I re-uploaded the tactic since I forgot to change team instructions.
Because of the good results in the cups, my finances are finally in the blue, with 516k in balance and a projected balance of 268k for next year. I tried to ask for improvements for training grounds and youth set up a couple of times, but got denied twice already. Because of that, club structure is still the same as when we started, except stadium, since we loaned a bigger one because of league requirements.
During these past matches, I gave two weeks of holidays to my players, in two different occasions (when I got 8 days between matches). Two of my players are now regulars on their national teams, Liberia and Saint Kitts and Nevis (sorry if anyone lives there, but I didn't even know that country existed). I really dislike to have players in national teams, because you get no benefit from it, but I try to think like real life and just let them be happy there.
Some players are starting to complain about play time, so I changed all agreed playing time from main team to regular starter and all second team players to squad players. Half the squad complained, but since they were happy they just let the issue go when I talked to them (without the need of convincing them). Two players required me to promise to increase their play time, but I will just keep my plan and hope they get happy enough. Even when they get unhappy with playing time or unkept promises by the end of season, they usually let it go after a while if team is winning and they are happy.
Other important things that happened include the injury of my main goalkeeper for nine months, with a broken leg. My reserve goalkeeper is not that great so I might need to hire a new player just in case. Transfer window is now open and I have around 60k free annual wage budget, so I might try to find some good free player to improve the team.
I manage everything. I'm just playing the game normally and having fun.
P.S.: Didn't expect they to test it. Results are inside margin of error, with same goal difference, so not much to learn from both tests.
There it is. Gonna update the page too in case other people get interested, but it won't get tested.
Guidito said: Hey Zaz do you think its possible to make the training schedules downloadable? Or shall I just look at OP and copy?
It's pretty simple to create a schedule, so I prefer to keep the images so people on consoles can use them too. The annoying part isn't creating or loading the training schedule, but assigning it to the entire year.
Can't be helped, december is always busy. If I already dislike competitions like Carabao Cup, imagine friendlies like World Cup.
I didn't optimize it yet, this is just a raw draft to see if it has any potential. It can probably be improved later, if results are promising.
I will make a light version after I finish the tests.
How does this shape up against Blue DM and Orange 2.0
I didn't do all tests yet to compare, but I would say initial results were pretty good. In the first and only test, it got better results than any of the three tests of Blue RPM (Blue DM) for Manchester City, Arsenal, Southampton and Derby. However, I need to finish all tests before drawing any conclusion.
Instructions
Spoiler For people in consoles, below are the screenshots of team and player instructions.
Set Pieces
Spoiler My set pieces are a tweak from earlier versions of Blue, Void from @Cyborg, Motion from @Egraam and Phoenix from @Magician. More information in this thread. (I will try to improve set pieces eventually, but I keep pushing it farther ahead in the schedule.)
Set piece takers should be the best available. For throw ins, give preference to wing-backs of respective side, and for corners, give preference to wingers of respective side. Right BPD should be the best header and right AF should be the fastest striker.
Set pieces are the same as Blue, with mezzala doing the role of shadow striker and inside forward doing the role of defensive winger.
Training
Spoiler My training schedules are focused in the following sessions:
- Recovery: injury risk.
- Quickness: most important attributes (pace and acceleration).
- Match practice and team bonding: cohesion and happiness.
- Teamwork, defensive shape and attacking movement: upcoming match bonuses and tactical familiarity.
- Match preview and rest: match day defaults (rest would become travel in away matches).
For additional focus, goalkeepers train reactions while all other players train quickness.
Below are training schedules for one match per week, two matches per week and pre-season. I assume one match per week during pre-season, for revenue.
Important Attributes
Spoiler Please, check the FM-Arena table for attributes ratings and this thread for Genie Scout ratings. I have also created this rating for Genie Scout based on the FM-Arena table.
I recommend dividing attributes in three tiers to compare players. Use lower tiers only to break ties of uper tiers.
- Tier 1: pace and acceleration.
- Tier 2: stamina, anticipation, jumping reach, dribbling (offensive players), work rate (defensive players).
- Tier 3: all other attributes.
Preferred Foot
Spoiler Right foot for everyone, but don't skip on a good player just because of preferred foot.
Role Ability
Spoiler Role ability, or the stars showing how good a player is in his role, can be safely ignored. It's just cosmetic, showing the opinion of your assistant manager based on current ability and the role attributes. It's always gonna be low for IWB using the same foot as side, or DW with low defending attributes, despite making no difference in performance. In the end, what really matters is position rating, which should be at least accomplished (dark green).
Remember, the important attributes are not the ones highlighted in a player role, but those that actually impact performance as you can see in the FM-Arena table for attributes ratings.
Opposition Instructions
Spoiler Empty. Feel free to change if you know what you are doing, but don't listen to your assistant manager.
Squad Management
Spoiler To be successful in football manager, you need to manage your team's playing time, which affects happiness, match sharpness, fatigue (can only be seen with sports scientist) and condition. Happiness and sharpness are managed by making sure each player is getting enough minutes, while fatigue and condition are managed by avoiding giving more minutes per week than they should play. Note that you can use friendlies and reserve matches to keep players sharp, but those matches have no effect on happiness.
My suggestion to manage the squad properly is to add two columns to selection info: "fitness and injuries > fatigue" and "stats (general) > general > games missed in a row". You can do that by right clicking any column name in squad screen, e.g., name, position, and selecting insert column. Make sure you don't use players with high fatigue and don't let any player reach too many games missed in a row (between 3 to 5 depending on your squad size).
After matches in tight weeks, you can rest the most tired players from training so they can recover condition to the next match. To do so, select any players you want to rest, then right click, training > rest > 1 or 2 days. That should be enough to have your most important players in shape for big matches.
Morale is another characteristic that needs management. The easiest way to increase morale is by winning, but you can also praise last (official) match, recent form (last 5 games) and training level, as well as criticize the same things. I recommend praising anyone with rating above 9 and criticize anyone with rating below 6. After defeats, I recommend complimenting any player with recent form or training with rating 8.1+.
Finally, you also need to manage complacency and anxiety. That is usually done through team talks and shouts. The effect is based on players hidden status and match odds, but some talks and shouts are usually more positive than others. For example, praising a winning team with shouts usually gives positive response, as well as encouraging your team when not winning (losing or tie).
For team talk, I usually prefer to relieve pressure telling them to play their natural game, then tell them individually that I have faith on them. At half time, I praise them if winning by at least two goals, otherwise I tell them I'm not happy. After match, I praise them for victories, tell them I'm unhappy when we don't win and sometimes warn against complacenty after big wins. Keep in mind that you should be a little bit lighter with your team against stronger opponents.
If one of your players get a yellow card during a match, it might be a good idea to change his players instruction to Ease Off Tackles to avoid being sent off. To do so, click on the player card by the bottom of match view, then click player instructions. You can also do the same for very tired players if you run out of subs, as well as reducing his individual pressing trigger, to avoid injuries.
Custom Testing League
Spoiler My testing league is set to include only english competitions and english teams. All players from English Premier League and Sky Bet Championship are set to have maximum consistency, important matches and natural fitness, while having minimum injury proneness. The editor data can be downloaded here.
There are two different group of teams being tested, with each run using two teams from Premier League and two from Sky Bet Championship, simultaneously. Teams were picked by preview odds, having the best and worst odds of each league, as well as best and worst from middle ten odds. The teams from Premier League are Manchester City, Arsenal, Southampton and Norwich, and the teams from Sky Bet Championship are Bournemouth, Blackburn, Barnsley and Derby.
Tactics are tested in holiday mode, three times for each group of teams, with results ranked between all tactics tested. The tactics with smallest sum of ranks is considered the best. For example, below are the results of Blue 3.0, Blue DM and Orange 2CM, with selected cell as the best result.
Changelog
Spoiler
Other Versions
Spoiler White (Reverse) is the same tactic, but mirrored. Not recommended since left footed players are rarer than right footed ones.
Leave a comment below if you liked the tactic and make sure to share your results. Enjoy!
If you want your striker to top the charts, then this tactic won't do. I was going to post an upgrade of Green another day that manages to get lots of goals into the striker, but then someone posted this tactic with almost the same roles and instructions (it uses AF instead). I can still post it there if you wanna use it, even if it won't be tested, but I suppose you can just use that one that was already tested.
I have hired 8 new players, upgraded contract of 14 from last season to full time and sold (loaned out) everyone else. The new squad of 22 players has an annual cost of 586k euros, from ~360k from past season.
Season has been rather good this year. Other than pre-season cash grabbers, I have won all official matches. I'm rotating a lot, with second team playing Carabao Cup and Papa's John Trophy while main team focuses on the league. My initial goal is to earn 282k euros to get a positive balance projection, then I want to use any leftovers to start upgrading my facilities (still everything in the worst quality).
Below are media odds, projection of finances, competitions, schedule, squad and player in best form. Let me know if you want to see the full profile of any player. Tyler Magloire is a beast in speed.