POXZILLA said: So the reason why the same striker(Anthony van den Hurk, Helsingborgs IF in Sweden) managed to score 30+ goals for me on the last patch with a different tactic is just RNG? When I'm playing now, so far, 20 games played(30 in total) he has only scored 9 goals. And I doubt he'll ever get close to over 20 : D I basically got the RNG of a lifetime on my last save? ^_^
Thanks for all the replays explaining tho Really appreciated! Expand
It also depends a lot on the tactic. Blue usually divides the goals evenly among strikers, shadow striker and to a lesser degree with all other players. Meanwhile, we have some tactics that just concentrate most goals into a single striker at the front. In the end, team goals count more than individual goals, and points per match matters even more than that.
And these attributes values give him scoring chance about 60%
Also, we should take into consideration the opposite GK's "Reflexes" and "One one One"
That's how the game work and if your players don't score their scoring chances then the tactic has nothing to do with it. Expand
The places where strikers shoot from also have some influence. For example, if the striker gets the ball inside the box without any defender nearby, he will have a higher chance to score than shooting from outside the box with a defender between him and the goal.
Not sure where I should be looking, but here is a screenshot of the data hub(I can't afford any performance analyst, so the reports may be a bit inaccurate). But after I posted this I played 5 more games and we started to score some goals. So maybe players are still "learning" the tactic :] Expand
In the right side, you can click "ask for" and write "scoring", then you get a graph like this. In this picture, for example, I'm in the top right even with the weakest team of the league.
POXZILLA said: (Skott = Shots, På Mål = On target) So I'm sure you can guess the result. This is a bit extreme, but most of my games so far end up with me bombarding the opponent's goal(and I guess the stands behind it). What can I do to improve and actually score some goals? I have good strikers for the division I'm playing. In the last patch, I used your Orange tactic with the same team, and my striker banged over 30 goals in the league(30 games)And I have so many matches now where my opponents have 2 shots on target and score 1 or 2 goals. It's really frustrating to draw these games when you are so dominating. Expand
Welcome to FM! I mean, can you post your "scoring" graph from Data Hub? This tactic is usually "high score, clinical shooting", standing in the top right of the scatter graph. If it's not in that area, then there might be a problem with players or bad luck with RNG.
fmfAN said: Yeah I looked at that ZaZ All my midfielders/wingers show nothing no green for the roles for this formation so I guess I need to let them learn the roles or maybe buy new players suited?
Thanks for everything you do Merry Christmas Expand
I don't understand what you mean with green for role. If you mean the stars on tactics screen, then check "Role Ability" in the first post. If you mean position rating, then you should make sure they are at least accomplished in their position before they can perform well. If you mean match scores, then it doesn't matter much as long as your team is winning. Just make sure all your players are fast (pace and acceleration).
First season with Man Utd as winner of Premier League (98 points), Champions League, FA Cup and Carabao Cup. Right now im playing world cup for teams.
Ronaldo got 34 goals in 26 league games and a total of 59 goals in 43 matches.
Only transfer in the season was Joakim Mæhle from Atalanta in winter window as he can play both left/right IWB and the MR position.
Im doing a save with a lot of yougsters trying to make another Golden Era like the class of 92. Ofc Mbappé was signed for free in january.
Otherwise im trying focus on developing from youth and only signing players in the age of 16-18.
Against PSG I won 5-0 Away and 5-0 Home. Also 5-0 Home against Real Madrid. Expand
Gratz! Hope you get some good newgens.
fmfAN said: Hay Zaz do you just train your current wingers to be DW instead? i downloaded this and my current wingers are not suited so not sure if i need to buy new players or train Expand
Check "Role Ability" at first post.
hetro691 said: Got promoted into the premier league from the vanarama south using this tactic, but my first season in the prem seems a step too far for my team, i cant buy a win Expand
That's how it is. Premier League has a gap too wide to Sky Bet Championship, because the TV money is too high. Focus on staying up so you can build a better squad for next year.
zagor said: @ZaZ Have you ever tried the formation of 2 shadow forwards and 1 target man in low reputation and bad teams? The target man's strength and physique can be overused. It just occurred to me as an idea and I wanted to get your opinion.
Like that - I'm really curious about this . I'll test it Expand
I tried that with AF already and results were slightly inferior, but not much. I didn't try with TM, but I also didn't see any tactic with TM that performs better than the same tactic with AF instead.
grozemaatjuh said: any advice on having the amc make more of an impact? he's either 3 games in a row invisible or scores 2... alot of 6.5 and 6.4 ratings Expand
It's already making an impact, he's just not getting good grades for that. It's the same as DLP last year. If you change it to other roles, it usually makes your performance worse as a team.
canry said: forgot to add. I think the only problem is that we get a lot of cards. but the tactic has to be played that way for it to work. a tolerable situation Expand
Make a second version with all players using "ease off tackles". When you get two goals of advantage, switch to it, so you preserve energy and avoid bookings.
Lapidus said: Have you thought that it might be the reason why the tactic works so good?
And if you change it then the tactic might lose its edge. Expand
I did, but if it gets worse, I just keep the current one. I'm satisfied with the movement of everyone from the back, just the front that I feel can be improved somehow.
By the way, from these two seasons with Concord Rangers I figured some tips to improve the tactic. Basically, I noticed there are too many people by the edge of opponent's area, by the middle. Everyone goes up, including RPM, IWBs and even BPDs. What I'm trying now is to bring SS back to CM-At so he can help a bit more in defense, while trying to tweak wingers so they stretch more the field. I'm still experimenting around, but results seem promising.
I seriously can't understand this mentality of "if my tactic doesn't do well in this testing league, then the test is not good". When the new methodology was proposed to FM-Arena and all tactics took a blow in score, I just adapted and tried to make my personal testing league more robust, so my results would translate better to FM-Arena table. Bashing the league doesn't help much.
Sometimes, it's better accept that each test has a different methodology and can give different results. The best tactic doesn't need to be on top of all testing leagues, it just needs to be consistently good no matter where it's used. I have never claimed that my tactic is the best, but I've seen way too many people claiming that with not so great tactics.
babemocni1988 said: Its also bit of weird that only on this site people have bad results in testing and on other tests results are amazing.... Expand
Results are not bad here, it's just a harder league with a bigger variety of opponents, all using good tactics. It's only natural that tactics make less points here than in other tests.
End of season, champion and about to become professional. After a successful season, my boss offered to become professional next season, which I have obviously accepted. He also asked me to play possession football and play for set pieces, but I won't change my tactics for that.
The end of the season was harder than I thought, with two series of matches without victories that got me on the edge. I even lost by 4-0, which shows how anxious my players were. good thing we won in the end, with 4 points to spare (5 if we consider goal difference advantage).
Anyway, I also finished building my 22 man squad. My DM doesn't want to renew contract, but I got a boy from youth intake that is better than a gray player, so I decided to keep him to see if he develops to some acceptable standard. I always like to have at least one player from youth teams, but they need to have some minimum speed to get a spot in my squad.
By the start of next season, I'll see if I can renew 5 or 6 players from my team with better players, else this will be my squad for League Two (next division).
DoubleR said: Yeah totally agree, but I have seen it go to the top of the list of at least two different tactic test leagues now , same as your tactics 😜 so you guys are onto something Expand
His tactic might be better, I'm just saying tests can be improved.
Thanks for all the replays explaining tho
It also depends a lot on the tactic. Blue usually divides the goals evenly among strikers, shadow striker and to a lesser degree with all other players. Meanwhile, we have some tactics that just concentrate most goals into a single striker at the front. In the end, team goals count more than individual goals, and points per match matters even more than that.
Let's say a player has these attributes:
Morale - "Ok"
Conditions - 90%
Decisions - 13
Composure - 13
Finishing - 13
And these attributes values give him scoring chance about 40%
Now imagine, a player has these attributes:
Morale - "Superb"
Conditions - 100%
Decisions - 16
Composure - 16
Finishing - 16
And these attributes values give him scoring chance about 60%
Also, we should take into consideration the opposite GK's "Reflexes" and "One one One"
That's how the game work and if your players don't score their scoring chances then the tactic has nothing to do with it.
The places where strikers shoot from also have some influence. For example, if the striker gets the ball inside the box without any defender nearby, he will have a higher chance to score than shooting from outside the box with a defender between him and the goal.
Not sure where I should be looking, but here is a screenshot of the data hub(I can't afford any performance analyst, so the reports may be a bit inaccurate). But after I posted this I played 5 more games and we started to score some goals. So maybe players are still "learning" the tactic :]
In the right side, you can click "ask for" and write "scoring", then you get a graph like this. In this picture, for example, I'm in the top right even with the weakest team of the league.
I didn't test it here, but in FM-Base, it was better than mine for underdog team and worse for topdog.
(Skott = Shots, På Mål = On target)
So I'm sure you can guess the result. This is a bit extreme, but most of my games so far end up with me bombarding the opponent's goal(and I guess the stands behind it). What can I do to improve and actually score some goals? I have good strikers for the division I'm playing. In the last patch, I used your Orange tactic with the same team, and my striker banged over 30 goals in the league(30 games)And I have so many matches now where my opponents have 2 shots on target and score 1 or 2 goals. It's really frustrating to draw these games when you are so dominating.
Welcome to FM! I mean, can you post your "scoring" graph from Data Hub? This tactic is usually "high score, clinical shooting", standing in the top right of the scatter graph. If it's not in that area, then there might be a problem with players or bad luck with RNG.
I suppose you mean tactical familiarity? Then, you need to put them to train the desired role by right click > train > position/role.
Thanks for everything you do Merry Christmas
I don't understand what you mean with green for role. If you mean the stars on tactics screen, then check "Role Ability" in the first post. If you mean position rating, then you should make sure they are at least accomplished in their position before they can perform well. If you mean match scores, then it doesn't matter much as long as your team is winning. Just make sure all your players are fast (pace and acceleration).
First season with Man Utd as winner of Premier League (98 points), Champions League, FA Cup and Carabao Cup.
Right now im playing world cup for teams.
Ronaldo got 34 goals in 26 league games and a total of 59 goals in 43 matches.
Only transfer in the season was Joakim Mæhle from Atalanta in winter window as he can play both left/right IWB and the MR position.
Im doing a save with a lot of yougsters trying to make another Golden Era like the class of 92.
Ofc Mbappé was signed for free in january.
Otherwise im trying focus on developing from youth and only signing players in the age of 16-18.
Against PSG I won 5-0 Away and 5-0 Home.
Also 5-0 Home against Real Madrid.
Gratz! Hope you get some good newgens.
fmfAN said: Hay Zaz do you just train your current wingers to be DW instead? i downloaded this and my current wingers are not suited so not sure if i need to buy new players or train
Check "Role Ability" at first post.
hetro691 said: Got promoted into the premier league from the vanarama south using this tactic, but my first season in the prem seems a step too far for my team, i cant buy a win
That's how it is. Premier League has a gap too wide to Sky Bet Championship, because the TV money is too high. Focus on staying up so you can build a better squad for next year.
Like that - I'm really curious about this . I'll test it
I tried that with AF already and results were slightly inferior, but not much. I didn't try with TM, but I also didn't see any tactic with TM that performs better than the same tactic with AF instead.
It's already making an impact, he's just not getting good grades for that. It's the same as DLP last year. If you change it to other roles, it usually makes your performance worse as a team.
That's not bad!
Make a second version with all players using "ease off tackles". When you get two goals of advantage, switch to it, so you preserve energy and avoid bookings.
And if you change it then the tactic might lose its edge.
I did, but if it gets worse, I just keep the current one. I'm satisfied with the movement of everyone from the back, just the front that I feel can be improved somehow.
First post, check "Training" section.
Sometimes, it's better accept that each test has a different methodology and can give different results. The best tactic doesn't need to be on top of all testing leagues, it just needs to be consistently good no matter where it's used. I have never claimed that my tactic is the best, but I've seen way too many people claiming that with not so great tactics.
I'll do some experiments and see if it can be improved in this patch.
Results are not bad here, it's just a harder league with a bigger variety of opponents, all using good tactics. It's only natural that tactics make less points here than in other tests.
The end of the season was harder than I thought, with two series of matches without victories that got me on the edge. I even lost by 4-0, which shows how anxious my players were. good thing we won in the end, with 4 points to spare (5 if we consider goal difference advantage).
Anyway, I also finished building my 22 man squad. My DM doesn't want to renew contract, but I got a boy from youth intake that is better than a gray player, so I decided to keep him to see if he develops to some acceptable standard. I always like to have at least one player from youth teams, but they need to have some minimum speed to get a spot in my squad.
By the start of next season, I'll see if I can renew 5 or 6 players from my team with better players, else this will be my squad for League Two (next division).
That's it for season two!
His tactic might be better, I'm just saying tests can be improved.